#response thread

Reply 1 - Anon

Lol at the comments. Save us all. Bigotry is hating people for arbitrary reasons they can't control, and shitting on het people purely because they're het, or like het pairings, which frankly, happens without almost EVER commentating on systemic issues that het people benefit from, and instead it happens by shitting on the individual themselves and their "slop" tastes, which yes, is typically the same "slop" we like but with het pairings instead of slash etc, is the definition of bigotry. It's not violent gay bashing, but it's still fucking bigotry, you buffoons.

Reply 2 - Anon

The replies are not surprising but seriously, seriously, do you all honestly believe there is no such thing as being anti-straight? Do you believe there's no such thing as being racist towards white people too? Or does "bigot" only refer to a certain group of people now? Because I notice most everyone agrees with other posts complaining about fandom hating on het ships on principle and harassing those who ship them, but as soon as someone calls it what it is - and yes it is bigotry, just because it's localized to online spaces doesn't mean it's not rooted in bigotry - suddenly op is either a troll or overexaggerating?

Reply 3 - Anon

"Hetrophobia is not real" Have you ever seen how queer folk treat straight women that fall out of their vision of the "cis-het" stereotype for not being queer? Let me tell you, its not fun to be called all kinds of slurs and the like because queer people hate you for being straight and having interest they claimed as "queer only". Its is especially a thing that bothers me about gay men and non bainer people. Not all of them are like that, but enough that I am not that excited anymore to befriend people of those groups. Or gods, getting told its a horrible lost to the queer community that I date a man and I should really just become a lesbian..... Just because I like a famous female popstart doesn't mean I am invading your space. Just because I read m/m besides reading w/w and w/m doesn't mean I am sexualising you. Just because I sometimes wear mens clothes, it doesn't mean I am trying to fool trans people. Just because I am tall doesn't mean I fooled you in believing I was trans and am therefore a monster. Just because you believe that I should be queer in some way or a other because of stupid reasons doesn't mean I am a monster for being straight. And yes this is targeted to the people that get offended to me pointing out that this is also a form of phobia. To the LHBTQIA+ people here that are chill. Love you.💕

Reply 3A - Anon

"LHBTQUIA+"

Troll post, let's pack it up.

Reply 3A.1 - Anon

""LHBTQUIA+" Troll post, let's pack it up." ...Huh? How?

Reply 3A.2 - Anon

They clearly meant to say LGBTQIA+ but typo'd an "H" instead of a "G" because it's right next to it on the keypad... Also, they never put a "U" in the acronym. Wild to accuse someone of being a troll because of an obvious typo, while you're making a typo yourself.

Reply 3A.3 - Anon

"Awwww boo people made fun of you on the Internetnet" No, in real life actually. What was really pissing me off because I just told the church in our village to go fuck themselves because queer people exist and can live in our village if they want to. (Yeah, the church and its people were harssing the queer people into moving away, I am not going to keep my moth shut when that happens.) Also, the agroming for queer people is different in other languages, so your "troll post" argument is ass.

Reply 3A.4 - lizzten

I see alot of people of people accusing the anon that used "LHBTQIA+" of being a troll. However, as I also pointed out in the comments, as a Dutch person I imiditly recognized it. Because thats how we write it in Dutch. Its probably writen by a person that confused the two because how similar the Dutch and Engels versions are. I just wanted to come here to point that out and show some prove using a Dutch source. First image is the original text, secis translated using google lens. I hope that this cleared stuff up for everyone.

(First image reads, "Lhbtqia+ staat voor lesbisch, homoseksueel, bisekseuul, transgender, intersekse, queer en aseksueel. De + staat voor alle andere vormen die niet heteroseksueel en cisgender zijn."

from https://www.nji.nl article "Wat beteknent lhbtqia+? | Nederlands Jeugdinstituut"

Second image reads, "LGBTQIA+ stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer, and asexual. The + stands for all other forms that are not heterosexual and cisgender."

from https://www.nji.nl article "What does LGBTQIA+ mean? | Netherlands Youth Institute")

Reply 4 - Anon

"But this group is my oppressors" is a superbly roundabout way of admitting "yes, I'm bigoted and I'll gladly be mean to the het person in my vicinity, even though there's a marked chance they've never contributed to my oppression in my life, just because other het people have created a society where that person happens to benefit and I get marginalized".

Reply 5 - Anon

I wonder how many of these "actually, straight people being oppressed is a real problem, and I'm saying that as a queer person myself!" "Actually, the POC are too rude to white people, and I'm saying that as a POC myself!" "Actually, women aren't nice enough to men, and I'm saying that as a woman myself!" posts is just the same handful of chuds replying to themselves over and over again pretending to be different people.

Reply 5A - Anon

Someone being targeted or teased by people who are prejudiced doesn't mean they're being oppressed by them, get off it. And it's still a problem even if it's not oppression. God forbid we look the other way every time a LGBT person treats someone like crap, we can excuse a lot of things that way that shouldn't be excused. Your status as a minority, my status as a minority, does not give either of us free license to retaliate to random people just because it's cathartic!

Reply 6 - Anon

Het people crying opressed/bullied/discriminated against is something you will only ever see in the great Tumblr. Not saying it doesn't happen, but come on folks. Tumblr is not real life, go out there and touch some real rocks. Grass isn't cutting it anymore.

Reply 7 - Anon

The replies to this are really concerning and I've died a bit inside. This is what people on this site consider a passable way to treat other people? I thought bad-mouthing people based on their orientation regardless of how marginalized they are is like the barest minimum you can do as a human being. It scares me that people are so ready to chuck their moral out their door because some groups just happened to fall into a demographic that benefits from having more representation or something. I'm ace. I'm about as marginalized as orientations get. I would never badmouth anyone for having more representation than me, nor put them down and call their own allo, gay, other material "slop". It stuns me that other people can justify doing this.

Reply 8 - Anon

The amount of people who are reading "maybe we shouldn't bully people for their basic traits" and hearing "you're oppressing them!!!" is laughable and completely unserious and I don't trust any of you. Sincerely, that's a horrific way to avoid examining your own blind spots.

Reply 9 - Anon

So yall are cool with racism and misogyny but draw the line at “anti straight bigots” 😒 😒 😒 😒 😒 😒

Reply 9A - Anon

Reply 1 - Anon

Ow boy, a second one? Good luck everyone. The LGBTQIA+ community is coming for your necks if you dare to agree that, discrimination based on someone's sexual when that person is straight, is wrong and a phobia. Nobody tell them that there are other forms of discrimination besides systemic discrimination. What also needs to be called out and destroyed. But it doesn't erase other forms of discrimination.

Reply 2 - Anon

General observation Lots of submissions atm complaining about how straight ships are bashed etc. Many might be ragebait, but the way y'all behave in the comments unfortunately shows that those people have a bit of a point. Being hateful doesn't help anyone's case...

Reply 3 - Anon

I don't fully agree with OP and also dislike the use of "heterophobia", but the amount of "Oh, so you think Hets suffer the same way as queer people do???" even as OP clarified that they DON'T think it's comparable to real life at all is annoying me. omg. Read the Problem!

Reply 4 - Anon

OP of problem #14368: I'll admit when I saw this posted my first thought was "oh no, here we go", cause after one of the problems posted a few days ago (by someone else, not me, but about a similar topic) and the absolute shitstorm that went up in the comments and replies of that one, I was bracing myself for the same thing happening here. But I'm honestly glad to see that's not been the case so far. Even the people who disagreed with my take or use of words ended up getting into very interesting and actually civil discussions with other commenters. It's nice to see people can communicate even after their initial kneejerk negative reactions, when someone actually talks to them out of genuine intent to share other perspectives rather than just spouting insults or being snarky and dismissive. And yes I'll admit this much: this whole problem is probably one that's only really apparent when you spend too much time online and among specific circles of fandom. I still think most fandoms in general have an irrational (but understandable) aversion to het ships, as I see people in non-fandom-specific poll blogs freely and even proudly claim to hate all het ships on principle or express disgust at straight people existing in fandom, BUT my personal experiences were mostly based on a certain circle in my fandom that I already knew I didn't agree with and disliked, and I've since blocked the users of that circle and avoided going near them since I sent this submission. It has made me a bit lonelier, as it's harder to find people in the fandom who are more chill about my opinions and ships and are also actually active, but it's definitely been better for my peace of mind and my enjoyment of the media.

Reply 5 - Anon

The sheer amount of people who stand up and claim with their full chest "why yes i am a raging asshole to perfectly innocent people 😘" lately is astounding

Reply 6 - Anon

"Ugh another bait post, hetrophobia doesn't exist, get over yourself!" I straight up got called a blight on humanity, was told to kill myself and got kicked from a server based on my OTP (which was m/m) because I'm in a het relationship with a cis guy (which also apparently meant I was lying about being pan and supported killing gay and trans kids???)

Reply 7 - Anon

I'm cranky and can't see more of this bullshit without speaking up. So here's the deal: Can't stand people calling you a "racist" if you make fun of white people? Calling you "heterophobic" if you make fun of straight people? Calling you "misandrist" if you make fun of men? Then you better get comfortable calling yourself "prejudiced" instead. There is no way, again, NO way, you can opt out of using a shitty label when you're being a shitty person. Your asshole behavior might not be systemic, but you're still an asshole. Get your heads out of your asses and stop being in such deep denial about it. Or maybe reflect on the fact that if you're denying it so damn much, maybe you know deep down that it's wrong, and that whatever funnies and entertainment you get out of it isn't actually worth it.

Reply 8 - Anon

Why do people even now, and who we know have seen people explain the problem with what they say loud and clear before, continue to insist on saying "just block them", like it somehow magically makes the problem that warrants the blocking in the first place go away? Think about it. Someone submits a post about how they get death threats. "Just block them." Great? Doesn't change the fact they still got death threats.

Reply 9 - Anon

Reply 1 - Anon

Reply 1 - Anon

Oh we are NOT getting into this again. Mpreg might as well be a form of science fiction, there are many ways for someone to simply go "in this world, cis men have different anatomy", but genes? Genes are really fucking straightforward when it comes to inheritable traits (remember punnett squares? Anyone?). One can be fuzzed around as science fiction. The other is as plain as the nose on your face. OP reeks of the same vibes as the people who go "you complain about characters making OOC decisions but have no problem with a man in a robotic suit that can fly??". They are not the same, for fuck's sake.

Reply 1A - Anon

I love how a commenter is snarking about OOP's point supposedly flying over my head (hi, I'm anon 1), when I LITERALLY refuted the point the OOP made. Genetic can be unrealistic. Fuck, it's EXTREMELY easy to make them look unrealistic even to a fifth-grader. Again, punnett squares. Kinda hard to suspend disbelief with that. You can't magic traits out of thin fucking air. It's a lot easier to suspend disbelief for undiscovered scientific shit, or when you're literally reinventing shit a la mpreg. Might I also point out that nowhere did I condone shitting on peoples' fun, if for some ungodly reason that's what this commenter has their knickers in a twist about. I reserve my right to laugh and complain IN MY OWN CORNER about patently unrealistic shit. If that's what OOP thinks is "being a fun police", lol, I don't get them.

Reply 1B - Anon

Op here, mostly replying to anon 1, but calm down man. Admittedly, I shouldn't have brought up mpreg at the end there (did so in a jokey way since I hang out primarily in the BL side of fandoms, and that's where I see kid OCs). Genes and mpreg are obviously not the same, I guess I shouldn't have put them side by side like this, as it really makes it sound like they are on the same lvl of "realness" (dunno how to word it). I'll take it, that was my bad.

But I still stand on my original point.

I don't care that "genes are really fucking straightforward", people can still have fun and fuck around with character design without paying attention to how it actually works in real life. As I mentioned, you do you if you REALLY hate people not portraying it realistically, everyone has their own taste. But it doesn't mean you should complain about it to artists either and tell them they should never mix and match the couple's eyes/hair colours because "that's not how it works".

And if someone keeps saying no one should ever do it the unrealistic way, then yeah, they are the fun police in my eyes.

Reply 1C - Anon

Let me get this straight....you can change how pregnancy works in a sci fi or fantasy setting...but not genetics for the sake of character design!?

ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS!?

You reek of "Actually, that would look great in a children's hospital because red has more positive connotations than negative" levels of "I think I'm smart, when in reality I can't see what's right in front of me, because I never learned critical thinking."

Reply 1C.1 - Anon

Definitely a color theory moment. There's Anon 1's going off about elementary bio class “realism” and insisting that there IS a difference, but not why that difference should even matter in child-of-ship fan art or concept art. You definitely do have a right to your own corner, Anon 1. Have a dunce cap while you're there.

Reply 1D - Anon

Reply 1 - Anon

I love how encouraging all the comments and reblogs are but tbh there’s valid reasons why people don’t want to create in these situations and it can feel like those reasons are being dismissed when we try to share them and are repeatedly ignored by people who are trying to be overly positive instead of actually listening. For years I tried to follow the two cakes things and guess what? Nobody gave two shits about my work even if I was the first one to post the idea people just ignored me because I wasn’t good enough for them to care. Example: I can’t draw they can, people don’t pay that much attention (or any attention) to posts without that so one day I just stopped posting because no matter how hard I worked on my cake it would just get shoved off the potluck table for a more eye catching one. No matter how many cakes I make or how how hard I work on them even if I was the first or only person to bring that kind of cake it doesn’t matter. Being positive and encouraging is so awesome but please actually acknowledge why some of us don’t want to bake anymore before it becomes inconsiderate and dismissive.

Reply 1A - Anon

Reply 1 - Anon

This is just what happens when proshippers adamantly refuse to stop condoning pedophilia, incest, bestiality, and all that other stuff you people slather over. People don't like you. Get over it.

Reply 2 - Anon

No one has to be supportive and welcoming of you in spite of your incest, pedophilia, or other kinds of rape-based paraphilias Jakey, even if they have a kink for something super weird like vore or mpreg or idk, like fuck off those are extreme different things. Go read about a 5 year old character being raped by their sibling or parent and "liking it"/support the people reading that shit and cry about how no one likes you because of it a little louder loser ✌️

Reply 2A - Anon

the poster never even mentioned those? not even a part of this debate but i know not even a majority of proshippers would think of THAT as an example of proship content. why did your minds immediately jump to five years olds being raped by their siblings and bestiality? are you okay? do you think about this often? have you seen a therapist lately to deal with your obsession with this stuff? does your hard drive need to be checked?

Reply 2B - Anon

Both of these anons have the same energy as someone who makes all their decisions purely on their feefees and lets those feefees override any ability to turn a subject over and look at it logically. Like a toddler who's incapable of foing anything but crying, yelling, and going "poop face!" when it's upset at a thing.

Reply 2C - Anon

You know, as someone who doesn't have paraphilias but has actually read up a lot about how the brain works and what actually draws people to certain kinks, a lot of these moral panic stinkers could seriously, gravely stand to look into things themselves with an open mind, because every time I see this kind of anonymous shit from them, it's clear their buck stopped at seeing "DDLG", some vague awareness of it being "daddy and little girl", and their mind filling that in with the worst case scenario just because it's a sexual thing. Even though there are myriad reasons people do this and other roleplays that have, yes, NOTHING to do with wanting to fuck kids. But will people learn? Nope. They don't care about having the full picture, they're just happy being ruled by their monkey brains and trusting their outrage and disgust even if it's misinformed.

Reply 2D - Anon

*criticism on the hypocrism of antishippers* Antis: YOU ARE ALL PEDOPHILES! It says alot more about you, antis, that when we are talking about ship and let ship and that is not your tea and that is alright you yourself automatically jump to pedophilia and other philias. Really wierd and creepy that antis, like you, automatically think of that. I think these antis harddrives need to be checked with how fast their mind went from regular old kink to having thoughts about having sexs with children and animals.

Reply 3 - Anon

Reply 1 - Anon

As someone who sees Jax as a cis guy who's just very insecure about his perceived masculinity - he very clearly hates being made to wear a maid outfit, he constantly bullies the more traditionally girly girls, and he mentions how his rabbit body is "peak masculinity" - I never understood this headcanon for him to be honest. Like, if you want to theorize that he's trans, wouldn't it make more sense for him to be transmasc? And idk it rubs me the wrong way that people seem to want the character who is shown to harass most of the female characters on screen every chance he gets to be a female character too, like that excuses his behavior. Haven't seen the movie yet so maybe everything I'm saying is completely off the mark compared to canon, but that's been my take of it throughout the show till now. If Jax IS made transfemme in the finale I don't think I'll be able to see it as anything but Gooseworx giving in to fandom pressure just to get them to lay off.

Reply 2 - Anon

My actual real issue with transfem Jax theory is more about how ravenous everyone is if you dare to imply you don't see it. I'm sure the theory gets tons a transphobic hate, but if you present something as a theory people have the right to argue their points against, that's how theory works.

I swear I don't hate it, lots of cool art. But every evidence is very flimsy and most of the time better fits with Jax's more established issues with social vulnerability from my perspective, which is not necessarily trans specific. Gooze has said to see a bit of herself in Jax, but said the same about Ragatha, so I don't think it's a very definitive point.

Reply 1 - Anon

Idc how natural it is, pregnancy is body horror, especially forced pregnancy, and I WILL tag it as such. There's no difference between a parasite and a fetus beyond potential emotional attachment and potential to become a baby after a birth and a real person once personality and non-instinctual desires and dislikes begin to develop, and both being in your body, permanently changing and disfiguring it, highjacking and stealing your resources even if means deprivating you of them and affecting your health (teeth lost/bone decay, hair loss, vision loss, etc), and putting you through bloody torture to get it out is body horror like no other. I don't care if you have kink for pregnancy, if you have had a pregnancy and was fine with the experience, it still is a deeply horrifying state of objectification and dehumanizing into a vessel unable to control the digusting thing invading your body without outside intervention or risking your own life to finally expel it. I would kill myself if I ever got pregnant and couldn't immediately abort the beast, that's how much it terrifies me. It being natural doesn't make it any less horrific. It's a horror of the body, body horror, die mad about it.

Reply 1A - Anon

Agreed with the first anon. Why can we talk freely about the horrors of cancer, the way the body disintegrates when it comes to degenerative diseases, but the moment we talk about the ways pregnancy does horrific things to the body (see: body horror), suddenly we become hysterical bitches who should just nicely get pregnant and not fear the awful things that can and do happen to us?

Reply 1B - Anon

Holy shit, anon, you really, really to seek out therapy. We're not in the Handmaids Tale. No one other than disgusting, horrendous rapists are going around forcibly impregnating people. You really need to step back from all that radfem bullshit for a while. You can dislike and outright detest pregnancy, but millions of women go through pregnancy every year. It's a natural process. Do you get triggered when seeing a woman pregnant while out in society? I'm genuinely asking. Because otherwise you're wanting them to cover up and hide, or even stop being pregnant, which is a truly disturbing mindset to have.

Reply 1C - Anon

Are we seriously going to get over the whole "is NATURAL pregnancy body horror" debate again? It was already discussed about problems ago... As per Wikipedia:

Body horror, or biological horror, is a subgenre of horror fiction that intentionally showcases grotesque or psychologically disturbing violations of the human body or of another creature. These violations may manifest through aberrant sex, mutations, mutilation, zombification, gratuitous violence, disease, or unnatural movements of the body.

While I understand some might find disturbing or aren't comfortable with (again NATURAL) pregnancy, I don't see how it falls into the body horror category. At most, it's a wonder of nature.

Reply 1D - Anon

Im with Anon 1. Even if it doesn't "technically" count (🤢), I hope talking about the risks and side effects and complications of pregnancy in a bosy horror adjacent context dispels the weird rosy narrative that makes it sound like mothers are coming into goddess hood or whatever.

Reply 1E - Anon

Anon1 is definitely not someone to be trusted around other women, especially pregnant women. That mindset is so incredibly toxic and dangerous. Imagine having such vile loathing toward other women simply because they are pregnant. Millions of women around the world want to be pregnant. They want to have children of their own. Society wouldn't exist with pregnancy. You can dislike the mere notion of pregnancy all you want, but stop with the vile misogyny.

Reply 1F - Anon

The absolute irony of likening pregnancy to cancer. Since we're getting all personal here, let me tell you how I had cancer of the uterus, the feeling of being rejected by your own body, to have your body eat you alive, about the months of chemo i had to endure, far longer than any pregnancy would be. The constant nausea, the weight loss, the loss of hair, the total and complete lack of energy. Where it finally reached a point where a hysterectomy was my only chice. At 23. I will never get pregnant. I will never have children of my own. That choice was taken away from me. And despite not having a uterus, I'm still under the threat of developing cancer somewhere else. Against my will. If i had to choose between cancer or being pregnant, I'd choose to be pregnant. Don't you fucking dare refer to pregnancy as cancer. Cancer is the worst thing to happen to a human body.

Reply 2 - Anon

I may be stupid because I might need some clarification here. Is this post referring to hanahaki disease? Because the first thing that comes to mind for me reading "That flowers out of the mouth trend? Body horror." is Tuxedo Mask holding a rose in his mouth with a body horror tag and body horror enthusiasts getting really annoyed or something like that. 💀😭 Definitely agree hanahaki constitutes body horror though.

Reply 2A - Anon

I don't know, but a while back, there was a lot of characters drawn where living flowers had sprouted from their mouths to the point of covering their mouths completely, it was usually depicted as some peaceful thing but it was fucked up if you thought about how those flowers worked and where they rooted and if the characters could even talk or breathe, and if there were also flowers going all the way down their throats (fhfjkfkfkdl nope nope). It wasn't really a face-value "illness" or "gross-out" type thing but it still read as body horror.

Reply 2A.1 - Anon