Go off about Tim! I must admit itās been a while since me hearing him in canon so brain is mostly full of fanon tim and Iād love to hear some takes
alrighty, uh, Iād like to preface this by saying it is currently 1am where I am and it could very well be argued I should be in bed, However! I would never pass up an opportunity to ramble about Tim Stoker my beloved. That said I am also not an expert on Tim or on fandoms or on larger issues (Iām kind of young, sorry) and also, historically, not actually that great at any sort of meta analysis, so maybe take this with a grain of salt? maybe a whole salt shaker? anyway, here goes my rambling (sorry if I get a bit long-winded):
⢠Most interpretations Iāve seen of Fanon Tim fit rather neatly in one of two archetypes, the first of which is what Iāve come to know as one of the Default Fandom Holes - a phenomenon that, in my experience, is basically fandoms (of any media, not just tma) fitting complex characters into more common-among-fandom, simple archetypes, like a square peg into a round hole. Basically, itās sort of like Flanderisation, if that term means anything to you.Ā
⢠Fanon Tim gets whittled down into what can be approximated as The Stereotypical Fun Bisexual: essentially, the charming, confident character who loves to party, acts as comic relief with debatable intelligence, and is generally portrayed as being āeasyā, dating and sometimes hooking up with a lot of people, as well as often having a lot of, er, āsexual prowessā, for lack of a better term. This archetype is... problematic in and of itself, to say the very least (CoughCoughBiphobicCough) and seems applied most often to (either canonically or presumed to be) bisexual characters. Yāknow... like Tim!
⢠Seriously, the amount of boxes Fanon Tim checks here is, astounding. And to be fair, he does have some of those qualities in canon - he is, indeed, a confident person who is mentioned on occasion to be a charmer and a flirt, and heās demonstrated to be something of a social butterfly, such as keeping up with the lives and studies of the various students using the Institute for their research and sources. In fanon, however, Iāve seen him described as almost nothing like he is in canon; the edges are sanded off to fit the stereotype, and so heās called a slut or a himbo a truly worrisome amount of times, someone who exists to crack jokes and flirt and do very little else. Sometimes itās fond, sure, like these are supposed to be loveable qualities, heās the beloved thot, but other times itās portrayed as a vicious flaw. Either way, itās not great, because thatās just. Not who Tim is?? At least, not outright in canon. Itās a lot more noticeable when Tim isnāt the main focus of whatever youāre currently looking at (art or fic or whatever), and so the creator might easily simplify him on the sidelines. However, even some pieces where Tim is the focus display this phenomenon. It happens a lot. Like, a lot. And I notice because... *drumroll*...
⢠Itās just so unlike who Tim is in canon! Heās confident, yes, and something of a flirt, but heās not implied to be particularly promiscuous, and he takes his job very seriously. Itās been noticed lot more recently how among the season one gang, Timās the one with the straightest head on his shoulders, something that seems strange if youāre looking at Fanon Tim, but perfectly logical with Canon Tim. Jonās... well, Jon, Martinās busy breaking and entering and being harassed by worms, Sashaās out going on coffee dates and graveyard romps with the Distortion, and Timās just trying to get through the work day. He gets along well with others and uses that to his advantage when needed. Heās intelligent, has a good education, and is the one to mention to Jon that some recorded statements are misnumbered, showing a particular effort that this Fanon Tim likely wouldnāt put in. Heās goofy at times, but itās not all he is.
⢠And! Not to mention (I say, as Iām actively mentioning it) that he does have trauma like everyone else in this show! It doesnāt get explained for over a hundred episodes, but itās plainly obvious and heart wrenching in hindsight. I might be biased, because I myself am an eldest sibling, but the loss of Danny has a huge effect on Timās character and informs so many things he does, even before we learn his name. Of course, itās hard to have your airheaded comic relief when theyāre a complex character wracked with grief and anger, so a lot of times this gets casually shoved in a closet and never acknowledged, ever.
⢠But. Sometimes, Tim doesnāt act as the shallow wisecracker. Sometimes, Timās Fanon characterization is informed not by his season 1, before-everything-went-wrong behaviour, but by his season 3 behaviour, where we meet the other incarnation of fanon Tim, the one I like to call Jackass Tim.
⢠āBut Cinna,ā you might very well say, āTim had a lot of reasons to be angry by season three!ā And youād be right! By season three (and even season two, to be honest), Timās been put through the fucking wringer. Brutal. Heās got lots and lots and lots of reasons to be absolutely pissed - except, most of the time when Jackass Tim rears his head, heās once again not the main focus of the piece. Rather than acting as the simple comic relief, he acts as the simple antagonist. It might come as little surprise that a lot of these examples come from people who think Jon Did Nothing Wrong - not naming any names, of course, but itās a phenomenon that comes up now and then. And I myself do like Jon! A whole lot! But he also did things wrong! A lot of things wrong! Nobody in this podcast is perfect, thatās part of itsĀ whole.. thing
⢠Jackass Tim is, in most of his appearances, the cruel man whoās just so mean to poor old Jon for no good reason, who, of course, did nothing wrong! /s. A lot of these characterizations are almost startling in how far out of character they pull Tim, in the exact opposite direction to Fun Tim - heās cruel, verbally and somethings physically hurting Jon in ways that are less informed by a man whoās depressed, stuck at the end of his rope and feeling betrayed by a former best friend, and more āwait, shit, we need someone to bully Jon for our whump and then immediately leave the room.ā Itās no surprise that these pieces donāt exactly take the time to examine why Timās so angry, or to realize that in canon, by season three, much of that anger is turned inward into a suicidal spiral. Most sightings of Jackass Tim arenāt focused on Tim - heās just an archetype to prop up other, more focal characters (usually Jon, in my experience).Ā
⢠To be very fair, there are good interpretations of Tim, even when heās not the focus! Not everyoneās pulling him out of character. Sometimes heās written very generically, sure, as a side character, but itās better than the above two characterizations. Timās not everyoneās favourite, of course, heās not quite a main character and not everyone cares much enough to do all the research to keep him in character. Sometimes itās just not that important to what youāre making, and thatās totally understandable! I get that dude, no prob
⢠In a conclusion Iām only coming to now that Iāve rambled on about it this long, both of the worst incarnations of Fanon Tim Iāve seen mostly occur when Timās needed not as a person, but as a plot device or archetype, either consciously or likely unconsciously. Canon Timās only ever an asshole or a comedian when itās warranted - heās multifaceted, heās traumatized but strong, heās responsible, heās brotherly, heās doing his best and looking around for support in the face of his world falling apart around him and finding absolutely nobody in his corner. But thatās a lot to consider, when all you really need for your project is a mouthpiece to put witty jokes or wicked jabs in. Itās natural for these simplified interpretations to bleed out into broader fandom, because fandomās structure (especially now that thereās no more canon content) is by nature an echo chamber of peopleās headcanons and interpretations getting mixed up and into canon. And Iām not mad about that, itās just how it happens - tma fandomās not the first, and it sure wonāt be the last. But itās kind of frustrating to me personally to see one of my favourite characters get flattened into something so unlike his true nature.
So, uh. Yeah! Thank you for coming to my TED talk, this is not any kind of callout and I really really hope Iām not offending anybody, I hope this makes sense and isnāt just utterly nonsensical sleep-deprived rambling, Tim deserved better, have a good night :]