Love the difference between Ray and GE Saeran main screen greeting when it comes to you being up at ungodly hours.
Ray being excited to see your face in the messenger because he can't see you much outside of that VS GE Saeran being happy to send you off to bed because he never has to be afraid of not being at your side late at night ever again.
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I'm sorry for barging in so suddenly but I see that it's your birthday today. So I'm wishing you a happy birthday! Was it on 30th or 29th? Because in my timezone, it's already 30th so I'm a little curious ^^
Also it's a little funny since this is the first time I've seen someone with a birthdate so close to mine (which is on the 26th)! I don't know why but it's so difficult to find December babies here.
Ohh, happy late birthday to you too, fellow winter baby! Timezones are weird as heck, so I totally understand the confusion, hehe. My birthday is on 29th, and there are still quite a few hours left for me here, so you are not late at all :) Whenever I hear that someone has a birthday in December, I can't help but think of the RFA preparing a huge celebration that is simultaneously a Christmas event and a birthday party for their party coordinators and Jaehee. That's not to mention the New Year coming up soon after! December sure is an eventful month.
Top 5 MC's outfit in your opinion? It could be from the title screen CGs or the game CGs!
Listen, the default MC sweater and leggings do have a special place in my heart because I've got the cosplay for it in my closet, however! It's not my favorite MC outfit. While I love MC's dress in Ray Route and it's one I would wear myself, this isn't about what I would wear, it's about what outfits I think are the best looks for the default MC! Sorry I couldn't limit it to five, though. I just couldn't leave out the Christmas outfit.
Kait, correct me if I'm wrong but did Ray ever express his love for the sky or clouds to us? Because I'm digging through my chat and call history like a madman for the past hour, yet I couldn't find anything at all! He only mentioned about flowers and ice cream but not the clouds 😮
Now that you say it, I don't believe Ray ever mentioned the clouds in passing to MC. Now, I did just spend some time going over all of AS to make sure there wasn't something I missed. I couldn't find a single mention of clouds by Ray. But, that makes sense to me, given that he isn't allowed to think about his memories with his brother, and clouds are inherently tied to that.
Flowers aren't tied to his time with his twin brother, but... ice cream is. It's a wonder he can allow himself to enjoy it knowing the physical recoil that chips away at his psyche. But, Rika doesn't know about a promise shared on ice cream... so, perhaps, that's why he can have a dream of ice cream but never the clouds.
Clouds are also tied to freedom! What can Ray never be as long as he follows Mint Eye? GE Saeran and SE Saeran, on the other hand, have countless instances where they bring up clouds. I believe there might be a moment where Suit Saeran mentions it, but I'd probably need to look again to be sure of that. But, I know for certain that since there's a strong unity in freedom and clouds, SE and GE reflect the most if it comes up in conversation.
Every Saeran MCs have different impression upon meeting every version of him for the first time, depending on their personalities or what kind of person they are.
But what do you think every Saeran wants to be perceived as? What did he wants us to feel or see in him when we first met him? Feel free to include VAE too if you want!
Ray wants you to see him as a prince. The prince who carries you to your happily ever after where nothing can ever hurt you again. That's his dream. He wants to live in a paradise where he can be with you forever, and enjoy his time with you no matter what happens going forward.
He is incredibly lonely, and what he wants more than anything is to know that someone can depend on him and he can take care of that just the way he wants to. As long as he can be with you and make you as happy as can be, he knows that will be enough for him in a world that doesn't want him.Â
Suit Saeran doesn't know what he wants you to see. That might be a sad thing to admit but it's the truth. It's his truth. He doesn't know what he wants to feel, much less how to make you feel something for him. It might seem obvious to say that he wants you to see him as somebody strong, somebody who can never be hurt, but that's not the truth.
He tells you to treat him like Ray over and over again because that's the only way he will ever get what he really wants, to be treated tenderly, with love that won't burn. He just can't have that because that kind of love gets you sent to the basement.Â
GE Saeran hopes you see him as someone worth loving. In the past, his heart spent so much time dreaming of ways to make you want him, but now he realizes that that's not something he can force on to anyone.
He needs to accept that people will either want him or not want him, and it's okay one way or the other even if it's hard to accept. He wants to prove himself to be somebody worth your admiration and love. You can see him any way you want to see him, but he prays it's in a good light as he works to be a better man, not just for you, but for himself.Â
VAE Ray wants to be... in your life even if the guilt and shame of his existence is overwhelming. Regardless of if you knew him before the accident, the baggage of that incident will stick with him for the rest of his life. Why wouldn't it? He tried to, for lack of a better word, get rid of himself after he lost everything that made life worth living.
His insecurities always made him feel like he couldn't do anything right, and to wake up after the fire and realize that he couldn't even get rid of himself right, it sends him into a place where he has no choice but to spiral wildly out of control until V finds him in the rubble. Is it okay to be together despite how much of a failure he feels he is? Of course it is, but he needs to work through some of his feelings to get there.
Unknown wants nothing but for you to be his eyes. Be his eyes and ears on the inside. You don't particularly have to care for him or anything, after all, you're just the means to an end. You are the tool that allows him to dismantle the entire organization that has seemingly taken away his opportunity to be free and enjoy the sky as much as he wants.
It's nothing against you, after all, you'll get to join paradise and be happy in eternal bliss after you do your job for the savior. He doesn't feel about you one way or the other. That is subject to change, possibly, but as it stands from an initial standpoint, that's what it is.Â
SE Saeran... similar to Suit Saeran, isn't sure what he wants from you. It certainly depends on the kind of relationship you had with him before it got to this point in his life, but there is no denying that he is in a situation where he has a lack of autonomy. He doesn't get to decide where he lives, and he doesn't get to decide how he lives his life.
He has to stay with his brother no matter what he wants, and that can be rather difficult as is. How can he know what he wants when he doesn't even have the ability to want for himself? Maybe it is better to say that what he wants from you is a temporary reprieve from the heartache he experiences. Being with you makes it a little more tolerable to exist.Â
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People want to believe what they want to believe, and at the end of the day, I don't want to waste my time or energy trying to convince other people that Saeran/MC isn't what they think it is.
If they don't see the way Ray Route and the RAE is setting up the clear narrative foils between V/Rika and Saeran/MC to show the differences between an unhealthy relationship where two people are obsessed with the idea of the other and run with that and a healthy one between troubled people who're trying their best to make sense of the world together and by themselves, I don't know if they will.
I'm not saying Mystic Messenger does the very best job at explaining many of these themes narratively, but I am saying if you read what's in front of you and think about it, the answers are there and it doesn't hide itself from you. If you're looking, you can see it.
However, I know a lot of people don't understand the complexities that exist between V and Rika, either. I get it, I know why people are fast to hate them for justifiable reasons, but if you don't understand the dynamics of their relationship, you gloss over a huge part of the story when it comes to what the game is exploring with Saeran and MC. I'm not telling people to care about V or Rika when I say that, I am saying that if you want to talk about toxic codependency, then your answer is V/Rika.
Maybe I have an easier time understanding the dynamic between V/Rika because there have been times where I've been like Jihyun, and that uncomfortable mirror has helped me become a better person. I am grateful to Jihyun for that. Someone wrote in my tags yesterday that V and Rika aren't about who is the perfect victim or the perfect abuser, they're two unhealthy people who are trying to cling to each other to cope in the most toxic way imaginable.
Neither of them will ever be wholly innocent as their actions hurt each other other and many of the people around them. Could we argue semantics on who did something "worse?" Yeah, you could argue that up and down because there's layers to the things both Rika and V have done. But the core of their relationship is built on unhealthy codependency. They cling to each other and as long as they do that, they'll continue to burn like a wildfire.
It's not healthy.
Jihyun even acknowledged how unhealthy it was in the RAE for him to shelter Rika. It's that awareness he has that makes me upset with him, because he'll destroy himself to keep his promise, and in doing so, destroys everyone around him because of it. Sometimes, you've got to understand that your dependency on another person isn't the healthiest thing. You have to make boundaries and start working on getting away from that dynamic, or you need to go and straight up leave.
Saeran and MC do not act and react to situations in the Good Ending the same way that Rika and V react and act to situations that they're thrust into. Saeran and MC are partners, they work together, confide in each other and make decisions based on trust. But, what they do is not based on what the other wants.
Your image shows that.
MC: Would you stop working with them if I asked you to stop?
Saeran: To tell you the truth, no, I'll continue on. If it was before, I would've done what you told me to do, but, I want to persuade you now.
V and Rika don't communicate like that. V "shelters" Rika from what she has to face even though he knows it's wrong because he feels like that is the only way to prove he is giving 1000% of his life to ensure his mother didn't die for "nothing". Rika leans into the obsession she holds for Jihyun, continuing to view him as a God who will save her from her devil, even though she knows, deep down, he can't save her from her nightmares.
God. They drive me up a wall all the time but they are the ones we need to look at if we're going to talk about characters who have an unhealthy attachment to each other.
Kait, do you think GE Saeran would have to deal with drug withdrawal effect during the period between his Good Ending and After Ending? It's highly likely, right? I want nothing more than to be by his side and comfort him during those times :(
Unfortunately, yes.
It's not sunshine and roses when it comes to somebody weaning themself off of the kind of drug he was taking. It was a combination cocktail of all sorts of drugs. The solution that makes up the Elixir is never quite the same each time, and the concentrations can be very different.
As far as I know, everything that's in there is bad for you. The Secret Ending tells us a few of the known ingredients but even the doctors are stumped on EVERYTHING that's in it. I've talked about about how he has to be going through a lot of painful symptoms but the game glosses over it because nobody really likes to talk about that kind of stuff. It's not pretty.
Not only that, but it's hard for people to open up about these particular issues since this is stigmatized no matter if somebody is in recovery or not. A good chunk of his time in the hospital has more to do with his physical symptoms than anything else. That is the case for many victims of Mint Eye. The mental duress and exhaustion are going to take a long time to heal, but as for the physical symptoms, some of those issues can be remedied in the meantime.Â
It's a mess of migraines, exhaustion, irritability, dehydration, and many other physical and mental symptoms that can differ person to person and substance to substance.
Saeran is going to be dealing with this for a while. Even after he's out of the hospital, I can't see him being comfortable taking any kind of medication outside of something for his migraines. Why in the world would he ever be trustful of medication ever again after he spent so much of his life being forced to take the elixir? Ray called it medicine at one point, you know?
He may not have been taking it for as long as SE Saeran did, but it doesn’t change the fact that he was suffering with the elixir for nearly an entire year.Â
He mentions once in the after-ending that he has medication he needs to take, and I imagine that offhand comment has a little bit to do with his recovery process. He takes medicine for migraines, that we know, but given that it’s been nearly a month and some change since we escaped Mint Eye, he’s had time to go to a doctor. Hell, I’m certain Jumin had not only helped him get a doctor, but get his proper government documentation as well.Â
So, he is getting the help he needs for his health, but there's only so much they can do for his sake. They can make sure he has the medication he needs to lessen the severity of what he's going through, but it's not going to stop it 100%. He's going to have good days and bad days going forward, and sometimes there will be an itch he just can't scratch.
If you can do anything for him, you should make sure you have your hand ready for him to hold whatever he feels that ungodly feeling that tells him he needs some kind of elixir to make the pain go away. Even though he said he knew he didn't need to take it anymore, it doesn't change his body's response to no longer taking it. He went off of it cold turkey, and I can't imagine it made him feel good in the days following the aftermath.Â
Worst case scenario, he keeps up a brave face in front of everybody as you all work together to find his brother, but the minute the two of you are alone, that's when he breaks down and shows you just how bad he feels. It might take a few days for the pain to kick in, but it'll get there, and you'll have to help him talk about… the elixir and what Mint Eye did to him. He may not talk about Rika or V, but he’ll have to tell them why he physically can’t work.Â