#pb aissues

https://www.tumblr.com/saltboroughs/822225084557197312/ M, the person who posted the information on the forums/discords initially, was incredibly respectful. "I want to say I really respect Blue, Kro and the team. They have been very open thus far and I didn't bring up the topic just to stir the pot. I am genuinely worried because AI has essentially infected every game, or service I play and use. (even windows 11) So it's important for me to be aware if it's usage is in something I play. While I'm deeply thankful Blue and PB themselves are not pro AI I do worry about the fact that their lead developer is the same lead as the company. And all the people they have on staff from said company. I really don't mind if AI is used in code but I wish it wasn't from a company that is so AI focused." (July 10, PEAB server) Not a single person, including the one bringing it up, gave any indication of praying for the site's downfall. And yet the conversations are shut down anyway because the ardent defenders aren't willing to let anyone even DISCUSS these legitimate critiques against the site or what the evidence is, especially after several people indicated they would feel differently about supporting the site if the allegations were proven true (which they since have been for all intents and purposes). Those people have a right to the information available to decide for themselves whether this is a project they want to continue to support. No one is demanding anyone rescind their support, just that they be allowed to decide for themselves based on all of the information available.

fun pb facts with the frightening ghoul: did you know that every single forum post, including the comments, is an iframe with a discrete set of styles and google font imports? and the height of the forum container is calculated twice?

So who's going to be the brave person to bring the conversation back up in the main discord or forums now that there's more evidence AI coding actually is involved? Give them a chance to prove they aren't the censorious liars they are being perceived as. Perhaps any individual item from the growing list could be discounted, as is always the case with AI creations, but eventually the circumstantial evidence becomes overwhelming. The current evidence from salt so far (please comment if I missed something): - EMOJIS in the coding - The sheer number of nuxt files - Loading everything on every page every time instead of calling things dynamically - Cross-site references to either nothing or themselves - The number of paints occurring per second, which has been confirmed to be a result of nonsensical coding decisions like deleting and readding cat pictures with every XHR request sent - The delays in fixing relatively straightforward bugs, like the marble rolling error, which should have been as easy as correcting a table. - The way unrelated and-or large features break with each update, beyond standard introduction of small new bugs we see with large updates in most websites/petsites. - Lead dev has admitted to using generative AI for his company's own projects, including generating artwork for games, website design, and to perform basic coding on their behalf. His company has been publicly pro-AI since at least 2021 and continuing to the present. - Blue's attempt to obscure the connection with the company and it's owner, who is the lead dev for PB and is the voice behind the pro-AI blog posts on his company's site.

I GET that most coders now use generative AI because it's required when applying to a company and that they use it to speed up their work. But just being required to have that as an addition on a work application is totally different then a company being SO AI forward that it did that entire article that's all about AI being the future. Or the various other AI forward stuff the company did like Eric having all those AI blog posts on the the companies website. Like if PB had hired a team and the coder did the code but had used genAI to try find errors in said code that they already could do by hand or the other various ways coders use it aside from vibecoding I'd be a bit less bothered. But it's the implication that maybe a large part of the site might of just been vibecoded that concerns me. Where they just tell Claude or some other genAI what they want without actually knowing what it's doing.

As someone that dropped hundreds on this site and hundreds on the kickstarter, i am judging the hell outta the lying and ai usage. Sent in a ticket to share my thoughts to the devs and im just so pissed.

https://www.tumblr.com/saltboroughs/821991214172733440/this-will-probably-get-buried-because-anti?source=share

This will probably get buried because anti pawborough stuff is more hot on a salt blog, but if anyone actually read the article that was being sited as evidence, or the company's website, you would see that the company never said they support GENERATIVE AI. They support AI for sure, but not the kind that generates creative work.

I'm reading old PB AI tea on ARR and this comment slapped me in the mouth: "PB fans sold me on this game with how open and honest the devs' communication is, but I am seeing the exact opposite here. And a bunch of fans trying to help them get away with not addressing it." Oh my god nothing has changed.