Why is nobody talking about the parallels between Amun and Zandik? And potentially to a lesser extent, Nabu Malikata and Pantalone?
These are my 2am thoughts, so they're unrefined. I might edit them in the morning. Here goes nothing. I will also be using photos because thatâs easier than explaining the knowledge and lore myself
You know who else has an issue with Time? Thatâs right. Zandik. And he did something about it, like Amun did, albeit in a different way.
Instead of creating the Elixir of Life or Segments, like Zandik, Amun created a whole world outside of the Heavenly Principles' control, as mentioned here
Who else wants to defy the Heavenly Principles? Zandik. He also âattemptedâ to create a different world inside Irminsul, similar to Amun. However, by this point we all know that his real goal was to burn Irminsul (idk source to put rn lol), so the others were forced to transfer the data and the dead to a man-made system. Thatâs what Zandik wants. He doesnât want the Heavenly Principles controlling fate or Teyvat.
So, theyâre very similar, except one is much more destructive than the other. The ends justify the means kind of thing⌠however, everyone, including himself, I think (point of contention, feel free to correct lol), thinks what heâs done is heinous.
Now, here comes the more gay lens with Nabu Malikata and Pantalone. Bordering on delusional, through this lens, hilariously, Dottolone is doing a way better job than Amun and the Goddess of Flowers.
There are a few reasons why I connect Nabu Malikata. First, Amun is so similar to Zandik that it makes sense that the other paralleled character would be her, and by extension, Feofan.
Feofan means Manifestation of God. Nabu Malikata is the Goddess of Flowers. Both have God/Goddess. In addition, it can be argued that Zandik and Amun worshipped the other party in some way. Amun is obvious. He created a whole realm honoring her. However, there are a few instances of Zandik doing it with Feofan.
One of those instances is how 35 talks to Feofan during their conversation in Sumeru, while heâs in Irminsul. Itâs framed similarly to how the Traveler talks to the Archons. If we follow that logic, Zandik stands side by side with Feofan but is still so important that Feofan is like Dottoreâs God in a way.
Now, it could be argued that Zandik didnât have to continue creating the Elixir of Immortality for Feofan, since it didnât work on him, but he didnât. While there was mostly a transactional portion at that time, it still mimics Amun building Eternity (interesting wording⌠interesting parallel) for Nabu Malikata. She didnât have any romantic interest toward him. For Dottolone, thereâs mutual attraction at least. Regardless, the romantic side wasnât quite there for both, or it is, but they havenât gone further, probably
If we continue with the Elixir logic, you could also say that 35 convinced the others to dissect the Original Zandik because he knew that it was the last ingredient they needed to create the full Elixir of Immortality for Feofan. Perhaps there was the prospect of simply completing the Elixir just because they could. However, I believe there are deep feelings between all the segments toward Pantalone, and they all wanted him to live more than themselves. This sentiment can be seen as Pantalone straight-up points it out
The point is Zandik goes very far to make sure Feofan stays alive and even sacrificing himself at times. He even makes sure he can still have Alpaca Wool for his comfort and desires
They couldâve rejected him, but they didnât, and I think it wasnât because they wouldâve lost funding. Maybe they wouldâve, but they enjoy Pantaloneâs company. Any version of Dottore wouldnât willingly engage with someone longer than necessary unless the other person matched his level and intelligence. Therefore, at the very least, Zandik is fond of Feofan.
The last aspect is Feofanâs eyes and Nabu Malikataâs flower.
Theyâre way too similar. Alright, Iâm done yapping, and I rest my case. Dottolone is a less tragic version of Amun and Nabu Malikata because Zandik is obviously coming back based on the crucible theory
Hopefully, this made sense. I didn't edit this lol. Maybe in the morning
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Harbinger names and the Commedia dellâarte Analysis (Part 9: Pantalone)
So I did an analysis a long time ago regarding this very subject which can be read here, but since then more information has come out, so I wanted to revisit this topic. This analysis will be more in-depth than my previous one, and Iâm going to take this Harbinger by Harbinger, starting with Pierro and going down the list in order of rank (Please note: I know Pierro is probably not actually ranked save if you say he fills the role of 0). This series will also contain a fair bit of theorizing due to the fact we havenât actually met a fair number of the Harbingers in the Genshin Impact storyline yet. Each post will also start with a brief explanation of the Commedia dellâarte and the role the harbingerâs title usually fills. As such, due to length and fears of potential spoilers, the rest will be under the cut. I hope you enjoy.
So I did an analysis a long time ago regarding this very subject which can be read here, but since then more information has come out, so I wanted to revisit this topic. This analysis will be more in depth than my previous one, and Iâm going to take this Harbinger by Harbinger, starting with Pierro and going down the list in order of rank (as of the start of the gameâs plot). This series will also contain a fair bit of theorizing due to the fact we havenât actually met a fair number of the Harbingers in the Genshin Impact Storyline yet. Each post will also start with a brief explanation of the Commedia dellâarte and the role the harbingerâs title usually fills. As such, due to length and fears of potential spoilers, the rest will be under the cut. I hope you enjoy.
So, real quick, the commedia dellâarte is a very early form of professional theatre, that involved specific stock character roles which are largely reflected by the Fatui harbingers via their titles/codenames. Notably, the story of these plays always revolves around two actors that are not reflected by the Harbingers, the Innamorati (lovers), whom the story follows. Our Harbingers are found within the other three classes of actors though. The Zanni, which are the lower class (the harbingers from this group are Pierro, Pulcinella, Scaramouche, Tartaglia, Arlecchino, and Columbina); the Vecchi, which are often wealth and/or older characters (Pantalone and Dottore); and the Il Capitano, who are self-styled captains and braggarts (Capitano himself, La Signora, and sometimes the Scaramouche character).Â
Our Pantalone, also known by his codename: Regrator, is Rank #9 within the Fatui Harbingers. Within the commedia dellâarte the Pantalone character (sometimes called Pantaloon) is one of the four primary stock characters, is often a pivotal character for the plot of the story, and is almost entirely based upon currency and ego. Mirroring this, he represents money within the world of the commedia dellâarte plot. While he has a very high opinion of his intelligence, he often ends up being made a fool. One of Pantalone's chief drives with the plotline was to ensure that he had enough status to meddle in the affairs of others. Pantaloneâs primary characterizations are that he loves his money and that he has emotional extremes. Furthermore, he is usually quite sinister and treats others rather cruelly to downright inhumanely. Indeed, the Pantalone character frequently starves his servants as a way of saving money and, if he were to let go of a servant, it would always be before dinner was served so that he didnât have to feed them (He was just that petty and penny-pinching).
Pantalone usually serves as a parent or guardian to one of the Innamorati (often the female innamorata) and is very driven to keep his child and their lover apart for a variety of reasons. In the case where he is the parent/guardian to the female lover (which he usually is) he typically tries to marry her off to some rich, possibly older man, in an attempt to avoid having to pay a hefty dowry and part with his money (extra points if the marriage improves his personal financial status as well). When he is not married to the La Signora character (sometimes due to a complete absence of her character) or a similar character he is a widow or bachelor who is constantly making passes at the varying women he encounters, though he is always rejected. In fact the younger female characters would often outright mock him. (It is worth noting here that the Pantalone character usually is into, and flirts with, or is married to a younger woman, though there is very little explanation for this. It seems to just been a facet to his character. However, this facet was downplayed some in regard to the Pantaloneâs costuming as time went on, though never entirely lost.). Furthermore, Pantalone's internal view of himself as a muscular, fit young man typically does not match his outside appearance.
Interestingly, the Pantalone character never forgets a deal nor any slight. His merits are described as being based on his actions, rather than his words.
Finally, it is worth noting that the Dottore character serves as foil to the Pantalone character, connecting the two. While Pantalone is your decadent wealthy merchant who is typically the father to one of the Innamorati while Dottore is a (often) wealthy erudite/scholar who may or may not be the father of one of the Innmorati (usually the girl) or the Columbine character. Furthermore, the Dottore character is often a friend, mentor, or competitor to Pantalone.
When not foiling Dottore, the Pantalone would sometimes foil varying female characters or, at the very least, give them a character to bounce off of in regards to their own characterization.Â
As a curious but notable sub-type for this character that is also found mirrored in Dottore characters, there is a younger variant of the Pantalone character that has made some appearances. Oddly enough, rather than filling a parental role to one of the Innamorati or that of any other normal Vecchi role, this younger version serves as an opponent for the Innamorato (male lover) as a secondary love interest to the innamorata (female lover) or may in fact fill the role of the male lead in some cases. This is a plot point that appears to have come up later in the span of commedia dellâarte works, but is nonetheless an intriguing one in that we suddenly have a worthy adversary of the same age for the innamorato that comes in the form of either a young version of the Pantalone or Dottore character. Even in more intriguing though is the fact that some commedia dellâarte adjacent plays (which could also be viewed as evolutions and/or subversions of the general commedia dellâarte plotline) is that this young pantalone or dottore character might actually fill the role of the Innamorato and as such be the male lead for the play. (This appears to have occurred as the audience got bored with the typical innamorato (male lover) character which does not appear to have received the same gradual growth as the innamorata (female lover) character for unclear reasons.)
Within Genshin, Pantalone is another one of the Harbingers we do not know very much about. We know he was born into poverty, was never able to gain a Vision, and has an obsession with fair exchange as well as a grudge against the gods (implied to primarily be against Morax) based on their control of Mora flow. To this end he works with Dottore, which mirrors his stock character's connection to the Dottore character. We also know that Genshinâs Pantalone is working with Pulchinella on something referred to as Project Stuzha, though this does not appear to have a Commedia dellâarte basis.
Mirroring his stock characterâs connection to wealth, Pantalone is noted to be in charge of Snezhnayaâs economic policies and is the wealthiest of all the Harbingers. Furthermore, we know his ambition is to make Snezhnaya the âheart that pumps money around the worldâ and to replace Mora. Indeed, he supposedly has a connection to the installation of Credit Coupons in the Fortress of Meropide, which were in circulation before Wriothesley, which suggests that Pantalone may very well be older than his design suggests. An intriguing plot point in and of itself considering his stock characterâs position as an older man who acts like someone much younger. Nonetheless, all of this, paired with the way Childe and Wanderer describe him in their respective voicelines, suggests that Genshinâs Pantalone has an impressive ego much like his corresponding stock character. Indeed, it is possible that Pantalone intends to outright challenge Moraxâs control of finances. However, any solid information for his character will likely have to wait until Snezhnayaâs release since Arlecchino stated that Pantalone never leaves Snezhnaya. However, it is worth noting that his presence has been felt in several nations now in the form of varying world quests, and that Pantaloneâs underlings do seem to fear him. As such, it is possible that Genshinâs Pantalone may be just as hard on his âservantsâ as the commedia dellâarte stock character.
It will be interesting to see how Pantalone connects with any possible Innamorati character since the stock character often serves as the father to one of them, though also sometimes fills the role of competition for the male Innamorato. Furthermore, due to the stock characterâs importance to the overarching plot of the Commedia dellâarte it will be interesting to see how important Pantalone is to the overarching Fatui scheme. Indeed, he may have a very large role within the Snezhnaya archon quest. Supporting this idea is the fact that Pantaloneâs name has been consistently appearing throughout other nations, either in minor quests or more major ones.
I would love to hear otherâs thoughts on this entire situation with Genshin Harbingers vs. their Commedia DellâArte counterparts, and where Genshin writers might take these characters in the future, so feel free to comment and share!