#munbabbling

Me and @turbuggy we're thinking and we came up with something the other night regarding Biz.

Consider for a moment:

We don't actually know where Biz is from, or how old he is, or anything. He's not from Fortuna; his dialogue treats them as separate from himself, and even Eudico says she doesn't know where he's from.

Now, people in Warframe can live a pretty long time (unless you're Grineer but let's assume Biz is more akin to Corpus for the argument's sake). Biz definitely has knowledge of Orokin era artifacts and animals most others don't. It's possible he was actually alive during the Orokin era.

Some more of Biz's dialogue also implies he was a mercenary at one point, where he talks about being devoted to the "eradication of life".

What if he was a mercenary during the Orokin era itself?

What if Biz actually knew Ordan Karris, and possibly even served under him?

Ordan cleaning his Boltace after a battle. Got to get all that blood off your blade somehow...

Not as a kid or anything; the fragments make it clear he was an adult when he found out about his illness. But it also made it sound like his illness was something unexpected, not something that would normally come about with age. So I doubt he lived to be an old man before he went on his killing spree against the Orokin.

The fragments actually specify that his "blood was in ruin" which to me suggests some type of blood disease or disorder. Personally I think it was probably something akin to either leukemia or a particularly vicious variety of anemia. Both often strike young adults and will take years to kill you but can definitely shorten your life expectancy, depending on the situation.

(( So it's well known we love and respect Ordis on this blog but. I don't usually see a lot of people giving Ordan attention. I've had a lot of Ordan thoughts lately so allow me to offer a summary.

From what little we know of him in the Fragments, it's obvious Ordan is a renowned warrior and mercenary by the time of his "death". But I don't think that's all there is to him. Despite the way Ordis - and even the way Ordan himself - talks about the things he's done, I don't see him as some mindless beast or just Ordis's angry half and nothing else. By the way he carefully planned not only his final attack but the path and actions that got him in front of the Orokin in the first place, he seems very smart. He's very well-spoken in the fragments too, sounding almost like he's speaking in prose or poetry at times. He thinks pretty deeply about his situation, and is very expressive and contemplative.

And on the subject of the fragments, I always found it interesting that the incident that really sparked his deep hatred of the Orokin was the one with the child spy. Out of all the horrible things he's seen, a mistreated child was what pushed him over the edge. This, to me, suggests a certain level of caring and sensitivity, at least with some subjects (and hey, maybe this side of his personality was brought out more once he became Ordis, hence his enduring love for the Operator beyond his original coding. It's heavily implied that Cephalon personalities are based on their original personalities, just with some parts repressed. Not a huge leap to believe that what actually is expressed was already a part of their personality to begin with.)

Combine all this with the obvious deep and powerful regret over what he's done, and Ordan seems like a more complex character than he gets credit for. I'd love to get more info on him or for DE to delve more deeply into his character and history (GIVE ME A QUEST DE).

(( I actually really loved how the quest was executed and the narrative direction it took. Proving that the Tenno work in tandem with the Warframes, in a harmonious way, and that they really are just a bunch of traumatized kids trying to do some good and help right some wrongs.

Umbra's story was amazing. I really felt for him and was glad we could help him move past his pain. It was great to see such lore behind a Warframe.

Character opinions on Ballas, Lotus, and Ordis were all reinforced for me too. While I'll admit, I did not expect the actual quest ending... Lotus definitely left of her own accord there. Meaning that no, she's not the perfect and loving space mom she made herself out to be. And she left with BALLAS, of all people. The guy who SOLD US OUT. Yeah, Ballas is still a piece of shit too, folks.

As for Ordis... thank goodness for that sweet sweet Ordis content. I've been dying for some. My only complaints about the quest though, were centered around Ordis: 1) I really wish he had spoken directly to Ballas, due to the fragments, 2) On the same note, I wish we could have heard from ORDAN on Ballas (I love my murder boy ok) and 3) WHY WERE OUR OPERATORS SO RUDE OMG. MY KIDDO WOULD NEVER.