#morvanie

I know I going down the toilet with this and dragging you with me!! Wahaha such a bad influence…one might almost say…the Dark Side….

Sorry for possible spoiling/theories so don’t look if you don’t want -

I’m really not sure how they are going to do this. Personally, as so many including George Lucas and the current production team have said Star Wars is about family and the Skywalkers in particular, I have a feeling Kylo and Rei are both Skywalkers either twins, brother and sister or cousins (as do half the internet!). I feel from what I have ended up spoiling myself on (damn it I have no self control!) that Kylo was kidnapped as a child by the Knights of Ren and indoctrinated and that Rei was sent away to be protected from a similar fate (she says to the droid about how she is waiting for her family) she also looks alot like Padme and Leia. Kylo also has a little of this look too. Plus the most important thing is that dramatically and archetypically it has alot if not the most mileage because…well you of all people know about the power of da angssssst! It puts a huge amount of pressure not just on Rei but also on Kylo and his Dark side commitment if the one person whose never abandoned him (I have a feeling this will be the line told to him about his original family if this is the case), a family member - an descendent of his hero Darth Vader lived and is in danger because she working for ‘the wrong side’, the one he’s attacking.

However I would be really interested if either Rei or Kylo AREN’T actually Skywalkers because then you could have a romantic redemption which hasn’t actually been done (we’ve had romantic love as a big factor in Anakin’s fall). Plus it seems very obvious as a fan of the series to go with the family/siblings element and I’m hoping it will be in keeping with the Star wars themes but something less obvious. Plus the team have said they intend to do something different and ‘something that hasn’t been seen’ with Kylo. This could refer to a sibling battle which was a potential in the originals too though.

Also it would be fun if Finn turned out to be Luke’s son because we aren’t expecting it and Rei is very obvious because of the forementioned factors and the fact she is shown just like Luke in A New Hope in the trailers. Although I do want her to be Force Sensitive because we need a badass lightsaber wielding woman!

Either way I have a feeling that Kylo will end up turning to the light and someone on the light side will turn to the dark and they will fight and be redeemed. That will be very interesting! You know how much I love these struggles between Light and Dark.

fireeaglespirit: 

I’m sorry on the short reply (I’m on course but can’t help :p). I don’t mind spoilers much, I’m overly curious..

I agree with almost 100% of what you said here, plus I love all the speculation going on about who is offspring of who, hehe. It is like GRRM said (if I remember rightly) that someone must have guessed the end of his books already and it is online somewhere in the vastness of internet.. I think it applies in this case. Anyway, with so, so many people speculating, it is hard to make surprises, still…

My personal view is, I want angst between the two, I don’t necessarily need romantic angst. I just think/feel they are connected on some way, plus I really hope (I think it is very possible considering it is just the first movie of a new era) that Kylo will be redeemed, and that it will have a lot to be with Rey.

What so you think?

I, for one, would hope that these two aren’t related this time - it would be kind of repetitive, given we had the separated siblings theme with Leia and Luke already.

The “romantic redemption“ thing sounds interesting indeed, but I can’t fully agree with the notion that it has never been done. Ok, for the most part - true, but to go back to the Snape thing …. actually his redemption was such in a way - indirectly perhaps, as Lily was dead then already, but the theme has still a close resemblance. But I agree, there should be more on that!

Admittedly, the scenario I had in mind (for a pretty long time actually) is based on this very theme you mentioned. In fact, you spoke out the very thoughts I had - “we’ve had romantic love as a big factor in Anakin’s fall”. So I wanted to use the exact reverse theme (this time, love being the redeeming factor), albeit with a conglomerate of different motivations, of which the “romantic” one is, of course, the strongest, the dominating one of them, but not the only.

One of the concerned characters I’m referring to is Mairon, as he has incredibly strong parallels with Anakin (well, to me), as in:

most powerful Jedi / Maia

passionate - strong fire influence, though not identical - I see Mairon’s hierarchy of elements as the following: Fire - Earth - Air - Water, whereas Anakin’s would probably be: Fire - Water - Earth - Air

Plutonian par excellence

strong ideals & visions

perfectionist

very ambitious & determined, even to the point that the end justifies the means - and no compromises, thank you very much.

being the subordinate Dark Lord with initial good intentions that got twisted along the way, and in a very manipulative manner by their superior (although quite different types of Achilles’ heel were targeted to convert them to the Dark Side)

they even have different names for their different, antithetical personae: Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader  ~  Mairon / Sauron

both are introduced at a similar stage of the archetypical monomyth / hero’s journey (which you virtually can’t escape when it comes to character development - even with villains) - namely the nadir stage - the underworld, the deepest darkness that has to be overcome, so to speak …. anyway, it can take different forms - with them it meant becoming an actual villain for a certain amount of time. They started out innocent and full of high ideals, fell to the deepest abyss (where they are introduced to us), which then is followed by the redemption part - which, in Mairon’s case, is a very lengthy process (I mean, the dude has quite a shitload of negative karma to amend, and lessons to learn - I need to torture him a bit, I fear). It’s not like snapping ones’ fingers, and, lo and behold: Insta - Love, Peace & Harmony - that’s just not realistic. Step by step is how it goes.

There are some differences, too, though. Where Anakin is impulsive, hot headed and wears his heart on his sleeve (he certainly did with Padmé - no restraint at all), Mairon is way more rational and controlled (he has those moments too, though - like fucking up big time in critical moments in his war strategy, for example) - especially in his emotional expression. Still, there is a raging fire underneath - I love to compare him to a volcano under a thick layer of ice (but even though invisible, there are vast and deep subglacial lakes too - ah, I love symbolism). As for Vani, she’s a deep sea volcano. You can’t really see beneath the surface of either, as both keep their inner world hidden. But if they erupt …. shit is hitting the fan.

Frankly, she can be a bit icy too (so much for flaws). Hadn’t it been for a certain motivator and string of events, there wouldn’t have been a reunion between the two (they had a major altercation the first time they interacted that didn’t end well - due to major difficulties in communication, (not) expressing things, resulting misunderstandings, and many other failings).

Anyway, even so - the M/V relationship has a bit of a different vibe than Anakin and Padmé’s. Thing is, they just aren’t identical as individuals - Vani is most definitely no carbon copy of Padmé (who has a gentler nature), and I didn’t even think of the latter when I made her a diplomat (this has completely different reasons, more to do with plot elements, etc.) - actually, she is a scientist / artist / explorer, first and foremost.

Anyway, AniPadmé (or the SW universe) is still one of my major inspirations for it (a certain spiritual concept ranks quite as highly). But inspiration is all it is - I really wouldn’t like just regurgitating the exact same thing in a different fandom (same themes, yes, but not the details).

Sorry for drifting off to this topic (some things are inspiring, I fear). ^^;

As for the original subject - I like Lunna’s scenario, too.