So, one thing that I've run into a few times among people who do fantasy worldbuiding (dnd players, fantasy writers, etc.), is very divided opinions on species with extremely long (or even immortal) lifespans. Some people hate them, and give everyone a similar lifespan, while others LOVE dishing out elongated lifespans. So what's the deal? Check out a very, very long ramble about long lifespans and worldbuilding under the cut.
TL;DR: To make them interesting, unique, and compelling enough to justify their extended lifespan in your world, your long-lived species should be strongly impacted by their long lifespan on a cultural and societal level, as well as strong potential for impacts on a personal level. Lean into that. Play around with it. If the culture of your long-lived species wouldn't change at all if they lived a human lifespan, you gotta change something.
I'm going to use elves from Dungeons & Dragons as my example here, but it applies to all kind of species across many many works and worlds. According to the Player's Handbook, D&D elves can easily live to be 750 years old. As in, that's their average life expectancy. Obviously that means that even longer lifespans are possible.
The PHB also says that elves "claim adulthood and an adult name at the age of 100". People have interpreted this many ways. I've seen takes that elves physically mature at the same rate as humans (what the PHB technically says), and "adulthood" is based on experience. (i.e., a certain level of life experience or worldliness needed to be taken seriously by other elves.) This works pretty well for D&D, because it provides a good excuse for your elven adventurers to be out exploring the world.
I've also seen a couple of takes in people's fantasy worlds or hypothetical situations where elves really do just age that slowly, including physically. (I once saw a post where someone talked about how weird it would be for a human to be babysat by a "teenage" elf, and have them be barely reaching adulthood by the time they die.)
Both of these takes have interesting implication, and most of what I'm going to talk about is applicable to both, although I personally favor the first option, so I might lean there sometimes.
But anyways. What's the "problem" with long-lived species? The most common take I see advocating against extended lifespans is either that it's boring (stagnant, what the hell do you do for 600+ years) or somehow unfair. Or perhaps most commonly, that they just don't know what to do with their long-lived species.
I would like to put forwards the argument that: If your long-lived species are boring, you need to play around with your worldbuilding.
There's just so many ways you can go!! Consider human progress: 750 years ago, it was the year 1275. The late 13th century. In the 13th century the Mongol empire was founded, Thomas Aquinas was alive, the Magna Carta was signed, and Cahokia's population potentially rivaled that of London. Oh, and the Ottoman Empire was founded.
Some inventions of the century: Wooden movable type printing was invented, as were earliest rockets and landmines for warfare, both in China.
And look at where we are today. Imagine watching that much progress happen within your lifespan. If you can remember the days before cellphones (or even just before smartphones), imagine that feeling multiplied by a thousand.
Now, I know that technological progress in fantasy settings is usually slowed, so that exact feeling might not apply. But think about it! How do your long-lived species feel about the progress made by others? Are they pioneers, innovating new techniques? Is there a single inventor (or a whole team) who's been working tirelessly to improve a single kind of technology (or spell/school of magic) for centuries? Are they slow to adapt, preferring to avoid using "newfangled, untested" technology? Are they jealous of what shorter-lived species can accomplish in their lives, or are they in awe of their ingenuity?
Obviously, cultures and species aren't a monolith, so there is almost certainly a range of these opinions across their society. Play around with it! Maybe there's a band of staunch traditionalists (or even extreme nationalists) who oppose the use of any tech or magic not created by elves (or whatever long-lived species you're talking about). Maybe there's an elven philanthropist who has spent centuries expanding their network of charities and safety nets, knowing that they can help so many more people in a lifetime.
Consider how your elven/long-lived species integrates with other societies. Are they mostly isolated, living in elven-majority nations? Or are they spread out across the world, living side-by-side with shorter-lived species. How do they feel about their shorter-lived neighbors? (both on a larger, international scale and a small, building scale) How do their neighbors feel about them? Does the long-lived species find short lifespans beautiful? Tragic? Disdainful?
Again, you're going to run into a range here. Maybe there's an oddball elf who moved into a majority human village and has been like, their weird community uncle for the past 300 years. He knows everyone in the village by name, and mourns every death, even though he's seen so many. Or maybe there's an elf who was scarred early on by the loss of their shorter-lived friends, and now they stay isolated, refusing to interact with anyone who doesn't share their long lifespan.
Maybe there's a mad elven scientist who desperately wants to find a way to share their long lifespan with their loved ones. Do their loved ones actually want it?
And that's just a societal level. We haven't even gotten into the political or personal level. Imagine the power of a grudge or a wound that has been festering for centuries. Hating another nation even though the regime that wronged you was overthrown centuries ago. Or demanding someone honor a treaty that was signed before their great-grandparents were born.
Imagine a character who can't grow or change or let go of their hurt. Instead it grows, setting down roots. (AMC's Interview With The Vampire is an excellent example of this. You never change, never get better. The cycle of abuse continues for eternity, a dance following the same steps over and over and over again.)
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I keep seeing people freaking out about their posts getting marked as mature (which is only showing up on mobile, not desktop), and every time I have a moment of confusion where I go "wait. What do you mean people actually use tumble on mobile?". I have the app, but I only use it when I have literally no other choice (out of town for a few days and don't have my laptop, etc.).
You think I would have realized by now that my strong preference for actual computers over smartphones for literally everything is highly unusual among people under the age of 30. But nope, I keep being confused.
In a similar vein, last year another student asked a professor how to take a screenshot on a laptop and I was so shocked I just sat there for a solid 30 seconds being baffled as to how someone doesn't know that. And in my orgo lab alone, I've met at least 3 people who don't know how to make their computer split screen.
It's so sad to me that my generation are supposed to be the "digital" ones, but they don't know shit about computers. (Or internet safety for that matter.) Maybe it's just the fact that I've been spending copious amounts of time online since I was under 12, but I'm just so confused how people who have grown up using computers all the time know so little about them.
(And to be clear, I'm talking about people who have grown up with access to computers and the internet. Never having the opportunity to learn is very different than having a thousand opportunities and still not learning anything. The people I'm referencing in this post were all upper middle class and owned expensive computers and phones.)
Was talking to a friend, and we realized that most books with pirates in them are not sufficiently pirate-y enough to satisfy us. I'm not sure what would be pirate-y enough, but most pirate books aren't it. Like, I'm always apprehensive to read books about pirates because even though I'm fucking obsessed with pirates, they always seem to let me down.
Hmm, maybe this explains why I want to write a book about pirates, lmao.
Why is it that in futuristic sci-fi stories, all of the architecture is uber-modern? What's to say that in 100 years people won't be desperately trying to recreate Victorian homes, but with newer materials? Imagine a futuristic story, set 50-300 years from now, but you can tell how wealthy someone is based on how many turrets and towers their house has. Buildings are explicitly designed to look as old as possible. The ultra-wealthy live in their own personally designed medieval castles. Instead of houses made of cubes and steel and glass and all sharp angles, you have houses with stained glass chandeliers, and intricately carved spandrels, and painted porch ceilings, and walls that are a mix of wood and wallpaper.
I was looking at my list of character concepts, and I realized that I need to make more weird, fucked-up dnd characters. More characters with crazy-ass backstories and whacky powers. Just more fucked-up little freaks. All my characters are so fucking boring in comparison to other people's.
(Not that I don't love my characters, I really really do. But I could be having WAY more fun with their backstories and shit.)
I wanna have big huge, party-shocking secrets. Right now none of my characters have secrets. I wanna plot and conspire with the DM, and have the DM plot and conspire against me. I wanna shock people with things about my character, and be shocked with things about my own character.
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The more of Act 3 I play, the more annoyed I get that the level cap is 12. I’ve been level 12 for ages now and I’m still not even super close to finishing the game. I still have just about every major boss fight left, minus Shadowheart and Astarion’s personal quests. Since hitting level 12, my Tav has gained over 39k XP. That’s more than enough to level up to level 13, maybe even level 14. And it’s absolutely crazy to me that I’m not going to level up again before the end of the game. Like what? And I know I’ve missed side quests. I fucked up in Act 2 and thus am missing many many side quests. Plus any I didn’t find in any of the acts.
Seriously, Larian. I know balancing encounters for higher levels is hard, but I know you can do it. I mean, look at the Cazador fight and tell me that that couldn’t be a level 13 fight. And the fact that I will have been the same level for about half of my time playing Act 3 is wild. I’ve run into so many encounters now that just felt trivial, but at the same time now I’m concerned that the boss fights aren’t going to feel very interesting because they’re all the same level. Fighting Orin is going to feel the same as fighting Cazador, which probably feels the same way fighting Gortash is going to.
I love Larian and I love this game but the lack of leveling up for so long feels kind of flat. And from what I’ve heard from others, the ending of the game is kind of lackluster in general, given the lack of an epilogue.
Anyways, this is just my two cents, but I still think the game should go to at LEAST level 13. Hell, you could probably make it to 15 if you did every side quest.
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I know you've Six of Crows (my beloved), but did you also read the Grisha Trilogy? I've been rereading it and I'm currently about 2/3 into Ruin and Rising, and I'd forgotten how much I liked it. SoC is objectively better in terms of writing, but I think the trilogy is a bit underrated, and—big unpopular opinion—I personally prefer the trilogy's ending to CK's.
I'm in a big phase of rereads and rewatches, as I'm also rereading Boyfriend Material by Alexis Hall, one of my favorite romance novels, and rewatching the rewatchable. Currently hyperfixating on Disney Channel telenovelas (as demonstrated by all the shitposting lol), but I'm also about to rewatch Attack on Titan for maybe the millionth time and The Dragon Prince, so I can then watch the fourth season.
Hi Rose!!
I have read the Grisha Trilogy!!! I actually own the whole grishaverse, hehehe. (Including the trilogy as a boxed set.)
I agree with you that SoC is better written. I actually have said before that it's like Ms. Bardugo took a few years off and learned how to become a 20x better writer. Not that the trilogy is bad, cause it isn't. But I feel no attachment whatsoever to Alina or Mal. (The only person I really care about in the trilogy is Nikolai. And also David.) (also people continually forgiving the darkling for so much horrible shit so fast and shipping him with a teenager grosses me out.)
Ah yes, the ending debate, lmao. I like the ending of the original trilogy!! I've seen some people who don't, but I think it's really fitting. Alina never wanted to be pulled into all that shit, and she deserves her happy ending. Plus, she can make a difference in kid's lives, which is awesome.
However, I do also love the ending of CK. Not the death, but I do think that the ending it well-written, and overall fitting for the story. Like, it fits. It's not a happy ending, but it's a bittersweet one, and I love it for that. It fits very well with the story as a whole, and the foreshadowing / details surrounding it blow me away every time I reread it.
Have you read King of Scars / Rule of Wolves??? If you haven't, I won't talk about them, cause I don't wanna spoil you, but I have some Opinions about that ending. (though I love 99.9% of that duology, and there are parts that made me lose my shit (both positive and negative) in a way even SoC never made me do.)
I'm also a big fan of rereading and rewatching things. (as evident by the fact that I just bought a copy of a book I've already read 5 time, hahaha.) I've seen some of my favorite episodes of TV shows 5+ times, and same with reading some of my favorite books.
Oh my god, I'm so angry at the stupid mail system here.
Rant about packages under the cut!
In order to get a package delivered to your dorm at my uni, you have to put the address of the building and also the room number. The package gets delivered and dropped off at the building's "service center". Then they have to log it, so that they know who can pick it up. Okay, cool, that makes sense. Don't want people snatching packages.
The problem is that even once it's logged, they won't let you pick it up. You have to wait for them to move it from the service center to the package room, at which point you'll get an email. And when you come to pick it up, they have to walk from the service center to the package room, grab your package and come back. And even when you do get an email, the service center is probably closed, because they don't let anyone get packages until every single package has been logged. So, your package might be "here" for hours or even days before you get a hold of it.
Last week I had an item get delivered on Wednesday. However, the service center was closed from (at least, could be longer) Wednesday through Sunday. So, I wasn't able to get my package (which I needed for a Monday morning class) until Sunday night.
Yesterday (Monday), I checked my order history and found that I was supposed to have received 8* items between Sunday and Monday. So, I go down to the service center. It's closed, and a sign says "come back at 7". I come back at 7. Still closed and it now says "come back at 8". I come back at 8, wait in line for over 10 minutes, only to receive exactly one (1) of the eight items that had supposedly been delivered. It was a pair of socks. (socks that are to be a Christmas present to my mother, which somehow only makes it worse.)
So, today, I have now gotten emails for at least 3 or 4 of the remaining 7 items, but the service center is still closed. They keep saying they're very behind, and every time I have to fight the urge to say "Well, if you hadn't been closed for almost a week, and had one person logging packages and one person handing them out, and also had a more efficient and organized way of storing the packages once they're logged, then you wouldn't have this problem."
Anyways, that is my very, very long rant about packages.
*: yes, eight packages is a lot of packages, but when you take into consideration that 5 of them are related to my absurdly early Christmas shopping, it's not that weird. And the other 3 should technically all come in one box, since they were all from the same Amazon order.
(fun fact: those other three things are the reason I'm not playing sims yet. I want my cooling pad and hard drive, please!!)