on Pei Shou yi and his affective disorder and relationship with Yu Zhen Xuan.
Late, I know, but maybe someoneās still interested to share some musings... Wrote this in the end notes to their fic moments I am working on to arrange my headcanon, throwing it ou there too, i case someone wants to read or interact <3
Trying to put myself in their headspaces. From my research, I can't really pinpoint Pei Shou Yi's condition or diagnosis, so the headcanon that I operate from for him is something like this:
Affective disorder seems to mean mood disorders, which are depression and bipolar disorder and the variants of them.
What Shou Yi describes as not being able to feel or react emotionally, sounds more like alexithymia, which is defined as a trait that can accompany various personality disorders.
It is not so much not having feelings as it means having trouble identifing feelings or lacking the words to describe them. Maybe, in effect, this might be similar to 'not being able to feel', when your mind can't put a meaning or concept or name to the emotional arousal you might be experiencing, cannot form a link between the rational concepts you've learned and the things happening in your body and mind.
Theres also the term 'disaffected' that was coined for a psychoanalytical approach to alexithymia. Where with the studies on alexithymia, causes are often looked for in brain chemistry and the inablity to process emotions from a biochemical point of view, the term disaffectation indicates that the condition could result from an experienced overload of emotion not congruent with your integrity or identity, so feeling as a whole is eliminated to resolve that conflict, as I understood it.
It would be so interesting to know more about what made Pei Shou Yi the way he is, his history, if he grew up with it, if he has suffered trauma, neglect, if he ever had theraphy or treatment, if he studied psychological topics as a mechanism to cope, and how that career path as a doctor, whatever his exact qualifications are, helped or maybe blocked him from healing, by not allowing himself to be more than a diagnosis that seemed to fit.
In any case, the affective disorder mentioned, it might be a chronic form of depression, where apathy or anhedonia can play a role, like dysthymia, with the added self?-diagnosis of alexithymia. How much of it is 'real' and how much of it might be a protective mechanism is hard to tell, especially since Pei Shoui Yi has armed himself with the knowledge and terminology of psychology, even if it is not clear how much of an authority in those fields he, or the show's writers for that matter, really are. At times, I think his claim to feel nothingĀ is something he exaggerates to push Zhen Xuan away.
Yes, sooo much to explore there.
Especially when he meets that boy full of feral feelings and challenges communicating and processing those as well.
As Yu Zhen Xuan is portrayed as having Autistic Spectrum Disorder, some of their challenges actually might overlap. Alexithymia can occur in people with ASD too, although I think Zhen Xuan might not be a candidate for that. He did struggle not as much with identifying, but maybe with communicating/expressing his feelings, all that pain he didn't know where to turn to, that Pei Shou Yi of all was the first to address.
The irony and sense that makes, right?
To an extent I feel like Pei Shou Yi saw and needed Yu Zhen Xuan as a mirror that completes the parts he can't see in himself, but is similar enough to allow a second look, a sense of solidarity and sameness.
A lot of imagery in the show supports that, the two same cups for example.
I also just read an interesting article, that suggests people on the autism spectrum might struggle with the cognitive part of empathy more, like reading faces and body language and deducting feelings from there, and the affective empathy part might actually be more pronouncedly felt by some, a direct instinctual picking up and feeling along others' emotions, which might be overwhelming in its intensity.
Zhen Xuan seems to brim with raw feelings and empathy when he's with Shou Yi, so they might actually complement each other there, Zhen Xuan might pick up on something from Shou Yi, that Shou Yi himself can't really name and process or completely connect to, and Shou Yi might learn to use the mirror that Zhen Xuan can provide like this, to get more in touch with himself.
It's what Zhen Xun keeps doing for Pei Shou Yi now, that they are not any longer in a dependent student/tutor relationship, with a hierarchial imbalance, that Shou Yi rightfully ended when it threatened to become more than what was needed by Zhen Xuan back then to benefit his growth.
Now that Zhen Xuan has found his footing, has climbed up those steps to an eye level equality in partnership with Shou Yi, more than he could when he was just too young, now may be the time where they can turn their focus on Shou Yi's healing as well.
And I think that after they met again, that is what Zhen Xuan does for Shou Yi, and what gets through to him after all. It's the challenging of that rigid shield of a self-diagnosis he may exaggerate to get his way, the challenging of a way of life that Pei Shou Yi has accepted for himself mostly, but through Zhen Xuan's influence, we do see cracks in that self image.
And I think he does feel things, and it is hinted at in their special ep, and through the profile-musings shown in their episode 7, that he canāt hide his feelings any longer, and that he has to stop lying to himself.
He does feel something, when heās with Zhen Xuan, not only annoyance,Ā does feel something in that moment when Zhen Xuan kissed him, he just doesnāt feel he deserves to respond to Zhen Xun based on that, because Zhen Xuan deserves better in his eyes, and him pushing Zhen Xuan away is always out of the ulterior motive to protect Zhen Xuan fom him, so everything he told Zhen Xuan about his not being able to feel anything... like Zhen Xuan calles him out on it right at the beginning for lying - i donāt think we can take it all at face value, or an absolute diagosis.
The actors, and their spotify podcast have hinted at similar things, so in conclusion, I believe - and the show made that the conclusion of his arc, too, albeit sometimes very subtly - Pei Shou Yi does feel for Yu Zhen Xuan, has for a long time, it is a deep care and interest in his well being, so much that he takes himself out of the eqaution when he thinks his involvement is not beneficial to Zhen Xuan, or what he deserves, with the limitations of Shou Yiās condition.
Thatās why his actions and words so often contradict himself, which Zhen Xuan picks up on, too, holding on and hoping.
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I used to live in New Orleans and read street tarot for money. It was a nice set up and all, mostly legal, though the city sometimes threatened to implement a license because the artists that set up on the square were. They were kind of bitter when it came to us tarot readers. Itās why I preferred working at night. That and my look was right for the part. The older readers usually set up during the day, tended to cultivate the ren faire vibe. Night readers were all younger, weirder. The occult side of the local Goth scene. I wouldnāt say I necessarily believed in the cards or that I was psychic. it was a bit of cold reading with a dash of charisma and quick thinking. Amateurs told you what each card meant, professionals told you how they connected to create a bigger picture. The client applies it to their life.
John reminded me a lot of those days when I first started reading Hellblazer. He reminded me of people Iād known, he reminded me of myself. There was a certain amount of familiarity. I understood haunted London, because Iād lived somewhere just as strange and haunted. In a way, writing John keeps me connected to a part of myself that Iāve long since grown apart from, but I donāt want to forget those days. Itās also a way to connect to the masculinity that Iād always felt is a part of me, tho not nearly enough to identify as a man. I like a little masculinity as a treat, you might say.
Dunno why Iām sharing this. I guess I wonder if other people are connected to their muses on a personal as well as creative level.
Ssssso. šš Ummmmm...I know I said Iād wait a couple days buuuuut. And Iām gonna put it under a cut and tag the shit out of it but liiiiiiike......
So Iām obsessed by how new SuSquad subverts some of the imagery and themes for the og SuSquad. The relationship between Bloodsport and his daughter, for example, Flaggās overall vibe, being way more chill and portraying actual nobility as someone who serves the country, and some smaller things. For example, when Harley frees herself from those ceiling cuffs. when she chokes out that guard with her legs (although considerably more technical with a triangle hold) itās almost feels like a callback/mirroring of the scene from og SuSquad in which she attacks the prison guards retrieving her to be chipped. Harleyās athleticism being shown off as she unlocks her cuffs also reminded me of her initial appearance in the first film as well as the nightclub scene.Ā
I would even venture to say the usage of Jotunheim could even be comparable to the tower that Enchantress built. Like, Iām not saying the new movie is a re-skin of the original. The plot like is completely different, for example itās completely coherent and tight as a drum, rather than a film gagging on its own aesthetic. But I am saying that it feels like there was a concerted effort to subvert certain parts of the original movie and idek itās just neat.
Anyway, it is a shame that Iāve not the foggiest where this slots in. Itās definitely a sequel to the first movie. Perhaps not literally but definitely spiritually. Harley, Boomer, and Flagg are very comfortable with each other, and theyāve definitely been around the block a few times. Her appearance and behaviour begs the question of where it fits in respect to Birds of Prey. BoP is a much more literal sequel to the og SuSquad. And idek, maybe itās stupid to obsess over her hair length but I mean, there it is. Now, since the DCEU isnāt working on much of a timeline, it could easily be said that thereās a significant time jump between BoP and the new SuSquad, but I am very curious and canāt help but wonder.Ā
At this point, if I wasnāt spoiled and knew that at some point he apparently turns into a psychotic abusive rapist, Iād be shipping this SO hard.Ā
Frankly, I find myself wishing a LOT that they pulled a Pasion y Poder here, said fuck it, and changed their intended story arc by turning the initial bad guy into a hero/viable romantic interest - as of where we are, it would be easy to do. We havenāt seen him rape or abuse anyone. Sure, heās politically conservative but he could have an awakening, especially since he used to be a revolutionary. He betrayed heroineās dad during previous coup attempt but it was shown to be under torture so thatās OK in any event. They could spin his other bad deeds (he stabbed heroineās mom for money but momās alive so that can be spun - I mean, the stuff they spun in PyP! Where the hero was actually abusive to heroine and raped her on their wedding night! They spun that so hard I am still dizzy. So it would be childās play to come up with some explanation. All the other bad stuff - bribery or killing of patsy dude is only implied so they can push it off on flunky. See PyP again.)
Though I do think itās interesting LL is basically doing a cautionary tale about problematic faves - itās like yes, the guy is dreamy and intense and hot in the sack so you are overlooking all the danger signs like conservatism, very high pride, looking at you while you sleep, weird business stuff. Things youād never overlook in an ugly old guy. But guess what - should have heeded the warning signs because they are all hints of a monster.Ā
BUT
While awesome in abstract, itās wreaking havoc for me here, because I find this actor way more appealing than the love interest (who needs to freaking brush his hair for once in his life; also heās been flirting with heroine while visiting whores and trying to bang his arranged fiancee in a church. So hardly a paragon himself) and with better chemistry with the heroine and just way way more intense than anyone else in it, with a potentially more interesting character (until he descends into utter villainy of course.) But then, in my admittedly small experience with Brazilian novelas, villains often steal the show - my very first telenovela was La Escrava Isaura from the 70s and frankly, who remembers any of Isauraās romantic choices as much as they do the wicked Leoncio? Leoncio never wreaked havoc on my lady bits though...
So this article I learned about this new three-part story, thereās the first five pages(?) or at least the details of his birth included and in addition to his mother being alive and well through his birth, his father seemed quite the proud papa and so fucking help me, if they erase his family dysfunction to paint him as the black sheep of the family, I will lose it. I will fucking lose it. Not becauseĀ āitās wrongā orĀ ānot canonā but because it assumed that even with a loving supportive family, John wouldnāt be changed one whit. Which...who even thinks that? I certainly donāt. Or I suppose itās just the fundamental ignorance of people that donāt truly understand what itās like not to beĀ ānormalā. Yeah sure, he might be a white dude, but heās also bisexual, unemployed, often poor, and a practicing occultist. Not to mention the fact that he can see ghosts and is a weirdness magnet. He experiences the world differently but that isnāt the whole of why heās a bit on the dodgy and amoral side or the reason for his guilt, his tendency toward self-loathing and loneliness, anger, and cynicism.Ā
*sighs*
I know Iām jumping to conclusions. Moneyās on Mary (his mum) dying shortly after this scene due to complications of the birth or some such nonsense, and his father falling into a deep depression and becoming abusive. Which. Sure fine okay, but ugh. I really want to be excited about this but all I am is anxious
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Okay, I havenāt watched the latest HQ yet, but Iām fucking predicting that Ivyās gonna leave Kiteman at the altar. Which. Is kiiinda annoying but I get itās more exciting than an open and honest discussion about feelings and sexuality. Let me just point out one thing thatās been bothering me and I wonder if itās deliberate, I actually hope that itās deliberate, but idek idek idek. Right. Getting to the point. There is so much performative heteronormality to Ivyās relationship with Kiteman. Itās wrapped up more in the portrayal of Ivyās social awkwardness, but like? Maybe Iām just seeing what I want to see and I worry about that you know? Even though I shouldnāt have to because everything gets filtered through a personās perspective. Some people could interpret it as her social awkwardness alone, I interpret it as her playing straight as well.
However.
So help me if they reference the end of the Graduate, Iām going to fucking scream because god, thatās hack.
Addendum: Not loving this Joker nonsense either. Like? They can go fuck themselves. The best and boldest thing they did was kill him off.
Listen, look, dunno if Iāve really gone over it, but the biggest part of why I loved Harleen and have aggressively adopted it as the core of my characterization, is that in her becoming Harley Quinn, Jay was only a component. A large one, true, but she was so far from that notion of being tittering and naive, taken off guard by his...charm (?). No, instead every step toward Harley Quinn was measured, carefully foreshadowed, and added up to a perfectly constructed breakdown. Let me just also point out that itās entirely reasonable to point her eventual collapse was linked much more strongly to the very public downward spiral of Harvey Dent. After all, when she finally broke, she compared herself to him and how theyād become the punchlines to one giant, cosmic joke. The fact is, her relationship with Jay could easily be considered an effect of her declining mental health rather than a true cause of it. Dare I imply that in the context of this series, Harleen seduced Jay? ........maybe. For as much as the comic showed ample evidence that he was manipulating her to his own ends, I kinda think by the end of the comic -- Well, player got played, for lack of a better way to put it.
I do have a flipped verse for Crowley, but I did whatever the fuck I wanted and accidentally made an angel into a goddess figure because fuck it we ride and what is gender? Huh? Huh???? Anyway, might be around after I eat something or might keep chipping away at the chapter of Hours of Forever that Iām working on and hoping people get it lmao.