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The idea that any one group of fans that came to love a character from a specific canon as a starting point are quote un quote the worst is just generalization and gatekeeping. There are bad fans in all camps and often the issue is more people not being willing to engage with other interpretations of a fictional character. Or fans being upset new people don't have the same experience and punishing them for being new. There is the same love and dedication and protection in all Roy fans. When all you do is complain of course or see things you dislike that mean a lot to others of course you won't have a good time. Just work with fans and do more 'yes and' or give them ideas for aus. Some fans think Jason and Roy wouldn't naturally get along but if you frame that as 'there should be more enemies to lovers' fic and not for example 'I can't stand how these fans make these to characters friends' you will get content you like and have a good time.
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I'm sorry, I know you're trying to be helpful, but I think you missed the point of my previous posts - it's not that I dislike Jason and Roy, I dislike Jason and Roy when writers completely rewrite Roy so he can fit into the role of Jason's sidekick. Because the real, hero-almost-as-long-as-Dick, father-to-a-five-year-old, founder and occasional leader of the ntt and Outsiders and multiple time member of the JL, wouldn't fit into the new Jason & Roy stories. So they erase 50 years worth of history for a comic as bad as the Outlaws?? What kind of Roy fan would be happy with that?
RHATO does the same to Kori, so Jason's the only character who actually benefits from it, hence the criticism of RHATO Jason.
As for what you said about suggesting something else, the gist of my post was 'there should be more Roy fics that take into account his actual history and canon relationships'. I think you missed my point a bit: I only criticised Jason so far as the Outlaws being the reason for Roy's plummet into stupidity.
The Rebirth Outlaws for example don't have the same problem - Bizzaro and Artemis are newer characters. Lobell didn't rewrite over 50 years of comics over hundreds of issues in a few short recons. Or turn the only female character into a hot amnesiac into free sex who couldn't remember 6/7 year long friendships because her kind forget fast??
Lobell went out of his way to shit on the Titans, and that's not something I particularly enjoy? Plus, it was really dumb? Like, Dick and Jason met fighting over a bed?? And the Titans kicked Roy out for being an ALCOHOLIC??
1. Addictions aren't just substitutable!
2. You mean the same titans who helped him get clean and take care of his kid? Every other comic had either Dinah or Dick or Hal (I think?) be the ones who got/forced Roy into Rehab. Not Killer Croc of all people!?
3. Ollie really wasn't anywhere as bad as he was portrayed?? Like, yes, he kicked Roy out when he found out about his addiction, but he went after him and apologised by the end of the same arc?? And he acknowledged what he did wrong and that it would take Roy time to forgive him. And Roy was allowed to take time to do so. And he did! Over the years, Ollie kept trying and Roy forgave him! Also, Ollie never treated Roy as a disposable soldier! Neither did Silver!Bruce actually, but that's a whole other story.
I don't think it's possible for me to engage with ANY RHATO interpretation of Roy or Kori and most other older fans I know say the same.
Also, how many people come away from RHATO as Roy or Kori fans? I can't imagine it's a large segment. And if they were, I'm assuming they'd read literally anything else that features them and realise how much better it is.
Sorry for the rant, but please feel free to message me if you have any questions.
New ship: Theo x Loki
Do I only want to read smut where Loki is very careful of Theo's leg? Yes.
AO3, don't fail me now.
Louis Kahn saw architecture as the meeting of the measurable and the unmeasurable. He used the word "Silence" for the unmeasurable, for that which is not yet; and the word "Light" for the measurable, for that which is. Kahn saw architecture as existing at a threshold between Silence and Light, which he called the Treasury of the Shadow. He felt that a great building begins with a realization in the unmeasurable. Measurable means are then used to build it, and when it is finished, it gives us access back to the original realization in the unmeasurable.
John Lobell, Between Silence and Light: Spirit in the Architecture of Louis I. Kahn
Visionary Creatives swim in the culture of our day. The things they create—in art, design, science, technology, business—embody our culture and at the same time pull us into the future.
John Lobell, Visionary Creativity: How New Worlds Are Born
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