Hi so when White was teaching Patton she seems to know all about the ins and outs of the gift she gave him, so I’m wondering how much Logan knows about Brian’s gift and like if it’s an innate godparent knowledge or if white has just been around the block? And how Lo feels about the gift?
Also I loved Robbery and the parents chatting about stuff and especially Shelley going should we get pigs for this kind of thing
White was much more specific, and knew exactly what she was doing and the parameters of the skill, and perfected her wording for four years despite strain to give it to a child old enough to understand something of consequences.
whereas Logan gave a very vague gift mostly impulsively, having walked into the room not realizing thomas had made the decision without asking him (which thomas did not at the time realize was an actual compulsion, even if its resistable) and is simultaneously teaching Brian to control magic in the abstract and learning the concrete abilities of Brian's gift at the same time Brian is
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so,,, what does LAMP do when Linda does get in trouble? i just need another thing to add to the "reasons why im jealous asf of linda" list asdfghj
hmm. how to explain this.
i don't have children, but i want them, and as such i spend a lot of time reading up on child psychology and on parenting tiktok. it colors a lot of the way i write linda and brian and their interactions with their parents, as well as the way i write Dot and Larry.
so bear with me here, i promise i have backing for this (also it went under a cut because it got long)
Linda does not get "in trouble."
Which is not to say she never experiences consequences for doing things she shouldn't - but those consequences are what this parenting technique (sometimes called "gentle parenting" but some people prefer "respectful parenting" or "positive parenting") refer to as "natural consequences."
she does not get punished (defined as adding a negative stimulus to the childs life to deter future bad behavior, a parenting technique which has been proven time and time again in study after study to be ineffective), instead she gets a stern but gentle explanation (NOT a lecture, which is shaming and makes kids shut down) as to why what she did was wrong, and experiences the natural consequences of whatever her behavior was
Natural consequences are 1) related to the behavior, 2) respectful to the child (so no violence, physical or verbal, obviously) and 3) reasonable
some example of natural consequences: if she makes a mess, she has to clean it up (though this is more like "help clean it up" when she's younger, and getting more independent the older she gets). If she throws a toy in anger, they take the toy away.
oftentimes, natural consequences do not even have to be deliberately inflicted, only explained. For example, if Linda breaks a toy by being careless with it, they will often not fix it right away, even though Logan or Virgil absolutely could with magic, in order to teach her that she has to be careful with her possessions or she will no longer be able to play with them. This is a natural consequence of a broken toy - being unable to play with it now that it's broken
this is getting rambly and starting to look a lot more like me infodumping about parenting but some more details - the parenting also changes as Linda gets older. They don't really ground her when she's a young child, because they understand that she is neurodivergent and young and struggles with paying attention and impulse control. At that stage, when she "misbehaves", there is a lot of repetition of rules, a lot of body doubling to help her get things done when she's struggling, and a lot of modeling behavior.
When she's older and has a better grasp on things like consequences, they can get a little more indirect (though still related, respectful, and reasonable) - for example, for sneaking out with Brian and Percy in Three, the natural consequence was an earlier curfew for a few weeks. Related to sneaking out without permission, respectful and reasonable in that it's not excessively controlling or cruel.
To flesh out the Three situation as an example - the main thing Linda and Brian actually did wrong was not tell their parents where they were going. They do have curfews, but the curfews are negotiable, and if they'd asked to go out for the night with Percy, LAMP and Thomas/Harley probably would have let them
Linda and Brian know this, because their parents have established it before - so the parents' main concern in that specific instance was not punishment but "why did you sneak out instead of asking permission, a previously established rule you know of?"
and the answer - "it was already late and the outing was spontaneous, and I didn't want to wake you up"
Well, that's kind of a different animal than just willful disobedience, right? An attempt at consideration to their parents, even. And theyre teenagers, so impulsive leaps of logic are pretty par for the course. Leaving the notes behind to tell their parents where they went also reflects this.
So, the rule gets updated - "you can wake us up to ask us to go out, and you won't be in trouble. we might still say no (for example if the weather is bad or there are other good reasons not to leave the house), but we won't be mad at you for asking."
i know this is long and probably more detailed than you wanted but i really wanted to get across where I'm coming from properly - i make in-text jokes about Linda being spoiled, but she does experience consequences. I just, personally, do not think punishment as defined above does children any good (a stance backed up be child psychs) and that there are better ways to model those consequences
Just got the image of B returning home and some assortment of LAMP being like “Hey where are Linda and Percy” and B just. Screams into a pillow. I’m not sure how everyone would react but I think it would be funny. Or maybe B just, in a deadpan “Arguing over who’s a better kisser, they should argue about who’s further in denial.” Then he can scream into a pillow.
Brian: Dad please you gotta help me they're so BAD AT THIS
Thomas, remembering the years of pining he was subjected to from his dear brother berry and his bf collection: ..... sorry buddy it was kind of inevitable
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Can we have some Chaos 3.0 headcanons please? Specifically Brian and Percy since we don't see much of them to hanging out one on one-and they had an awkward enough first meeting (her deciding to keep him for entertainment)
okay so. the first six months or so of Brian and Percy's acquaintance is Rough, and basically consists of Percy being like "would you control the human!" @ Linda and Brian being like "actually i dont have to listen to either of you, see watch *blows a huge raspberry directly in percy's face*"
Percy of course finds this infuriating
But by watching Linda and Brian (and the rest of the Sanders-Waller-Gage clan, though mostly those two) interact it gradually comes to dawn on her that her perception of the Spider Princes family (ie somewhere between hostages and pets of Virgil) is like... wildly off base.
Remus especially helps with this, because he WILL call her a "presumptuous little snot goblin" to her face for being rude to Brian and Percy 1) has a big old hero worship squish on him second only to the one she has on Logan and 2) communicates pretty much exclusively in insults, so he's speaking her language.
She does apologize, in a very terrible Percy way, which basically consists of
gift
angry blushing
a sputtering, furious apology where she looks anywhere but your face the whole time, and
immediately acting like the conversation never happened and screeching in embarrassment if you try to bring it up for the rest of time, so of course Linda and Brian do this constantly
Linda's about twenty or so in this fic, correct?? Was she off at college?
we're at that point in the timeline where Linda's aging starts to get fucky so you're partially right
chronologically Linda is 16 years old in Kittens, but since she was born at about the equivalent of four, theoretically she should be about 20 looking, and she was in fact away at college and coming back for summer break
however, Linda has stopped aging completely by this point in the timeline, and has been for a couple years, at around the equivalent of 16-17 years old. Brian is seventeen, and people usually assume he is the older cousin now.
They (the whole family) haven't really addressed this at this point. Linda tries not to think about it, but she gets a lot of comments at college about people thinking she's a freshman or even a visiting high school student.
She tries to dress older, but she also still feels sixteen, mentally, which makes other parts of college (people hitting on her for example) also very uncomfortable
