I feel like the first thought would be: are they even aware of each other’s existence? HAHA 

BUT then again, as the leader, Cheol does such a wonderful job of maintaining a close relationship with ALL members.

I think Cheol sees Jun as a younger brother whom he guides every once in a while but is generally independent (does this make sense)

In interviews for example, Cheol pays extra attention to Jun’s screen time by stopping members from talking every time Jun attempts to speak. He literally goes “shhh mode” to everyone to make sure that the attention is on Jun.

There is this particular clip of them that I absolutely love! I think it was Jun talking about his struggles as a foreigner and how he eventually saw a silver lining overtime. Then beside him, there was Cheol with the PROUDEST SMILE EVER. It’s just so touching to know that Cheol must be aware of what Jun had to endure and how much he has grown over the past couple of years. I feel like he makes his presence known for Jun through the little things because they both prefer keeping it that way. They’re close enough to be considered friends but then again, it is known to us that they aren’t each other’s first choice because we have jeonghan, joshua, mingyu for cheol and minghao, wonwoo, and joshua for jun and it’s completely NORMAL to have closer friends especially in a bigger group like Seventeen. 

I think instead, Jun respects Cheol A LOT as their leader. With that certain level of respect, you’d expect them to be a bit distant with each other but no! At the end of the day, they DO have interactions every once in a while and I’d say that while it’s lowkey, you never feel any tension or awkwardness. It’s just straight up WHOLESOME.

For example, there’s this clip of them wrestling and giggling in one of their GOSE episodes. It was funny because they weren’t even sure if they had any cameras on them, showing how natural the interaction was. Then in BETS Manila Day 1 and 2, they both gave each other piggyback rides during aju nice. Again, it doesn’t seem forced at all and kind of like a “spur of the moment” kind of interaction.

On the other hand, I also noticed that sometimes, Cheol does something silly and Jun just kinda lets him. I feel like in most cases, Jun would AT LEAST slap back but he tolerates it more if it’s their leader. (Insert clip of Cheol pouring water on Jun’s head and instead of seeking revenge, he just turns to the camera with a smile) 

Aside from their playful side, I also recently saw a clip of Jun comforting Cheol during caratland 2023 and the former also helping Cheol down the stairs as he was limping during follow again to Incheon. I don’t know about you but i love seeing the members take care of cheol for a change because it shows how their dynamic truly is. Just because Cheol is the oldest and their leader, doesn’t mean no one should look out for him. I just admire Jun’s subtle caring side regardless of how playful he is.

The last thing I’d like to mention would be the skinship between the two of them. Cheol is naturally clingy to the members so obviously Jun is no exception! It’s just super cute when they hug or when Cheol rests his hands on Jun’s legs. This is mostly because they seem like such an unlikely pair to engage in skinship but they do! Similar to most of their interactions, it also comes so naturally that Jun just lets Cheol because there are times that the former would restrain any form of physical contact with the members. (NOTE: compilation videos of Cheol grabbing Jun’s waist during world is my ABSOLUTE WEAKNESS)

12/06/22

Overall Relationship:

rev. Ten of Pentacles

rev. Empress as elaboration card

✩ They have quite a complicated relationship. I'm getting the feeling they do not see eye to eye on a lot of things. Their relationship with each other is quite insecure (rev 10oP) that must have resulted from an unhealthy codependence (rev Empress). They've gotten to a point where things are not working out between them no matter the situation.

Jun in Scoup's eyes:

rev. Emperor

✩ Scoups sees Jun as someone who is immature. He has everything he needs to take full responsibility (of what...? I'm not sure. maybe his life? I could see SC being upset that Jun is not living his life to its fullest potential).

Scoups in Jun's eyes:

Death

rev Wheel of Fortune and rev King of Pentacles as collaborating cards

✩ Jun is or has witnessed Scoups go through a big transition (Death) and it has impacted the way he views Scoups. I think his constant stream of bad luck (rev WoF -- when you think negatively, negativity find you) forced Scoups to confront what has been setting him off and he needed to make some big changes. He needed to confront his fear of failure (rev KoP) and how he was always playing it safe.

ANOTHER DRAW (The energy felt off an I just needed to confirm)

Justice

Four of Cups as elaboration

✩ Jun had to see/feels that Scoups needs to answer the universe. "Universe" here can mean to himself, the people around him, his environment, his world, everything that makes up Scoups's universe. 4oC tells me that Scoups might've had an apathetic attitude (a type of apathy that comes from constantly having to face hardships) that caused problems. He needs/needed to understand that his behaviour directly affected his members and everything around him (the Universe). I think his behaviour affected Jun in particular.

✮ NOTES:

✮ My second draw for Jun's POV of Scoups was basically the same as the first draw just expressed with different cards. Jun understands that Scoups needs/needed to answer for his behaviour and that affected the way Jun saw Scoups. It seems to be related to Scoups's habit of being really hard on himself and that materializing as a form of apathy on the outside. ✮ Very strong, male personalities. We have the Emperor and King of Pentacles. We also have very authoritative figures like Justice and Death. It seems their relationship is really strained right now. ✮ The co-dependency part is interesting. Who relied on who more? The cards have a really familiar feeling to them. The problems between them only happened because they know each other so well and they know what the other needs to do to overcome their faults. It's just that their masculine stubbornness gets in the way LOL. ✮ This whole reading felt like observing a severed bond from two people that had a sincere and special connection.

3/07/23

Overall Relationship:

rev. Hanged Man

Three of Swords as elaboration

✩ Someone in the relationship felt they were giving everything and received nothing back (rev. Hanged Man). Despite the issue being brought up many times, there was an inability to change their behaviour (rev. Hanged Man). This lead to a break up (3oS). The person who broke off the relationship most likely felt hurt, betrayed, and really lonely.

Did SC cause the grief?

rev. Knight of Swords

yes

✩ rev KnoS often represents a person who intentionally causes turmoil to others. I think the reason why SC embodied rev KnoS was due to how he saw himself.

How does SC feel now after everything:

rev Nine of Swords

rev Knight of Swords (i'm interpreting this as representing SC himself) and rev Nine of Pentalces as elaboration cards

✩ He is trying to let go of all the negativity left behind (rev 9oS) though he feels intense guilt for what happened (rev 9oS). He felt insecure of himself in the relationship (rev 9oP), which caused him to embody rev KnoS (I'm still iffy about this part of the interpretation). He is trying to come to terms with his self-worth and is trying to improve himself (rev 9oP). He is realizing he has everything needed to become a better person and ask for more.

How does Jun feel after everything?

rev Ace of Cups

The Lovers as elaboration

✩ I think Jun feels very tired. The loss of love in the relationship is making him reflect on his actions and also making himself closed off to everything (rev. AoC). It seems like he's repressing his emotions. Although I do feel like he wants things to work out in the future. Through his self-reflection, Jun may be finding that he is willing to let SC back in again to work on their relationship (Lovers). He really wants to be with SC again but is blocking those feelings off to protect himself.

(everything beyond this point is just completely self-indulgent. Chismosavirus got me bad.)

What was SC like in the relationship?

Empress

Magician

rev. Ten of Pentacles.

✩ Seems like SC's leadership tendencies shined in their friendship. He was nurturing (Empress) and constantly output energy (Magician) that motivated both of them to accomplish their goals. However, he was quite rash and unstable at times (rev 10oP) which greatly confused Jun

And what was Jun like?

Six of Cups

rev. Nine of Swords

rev. Eight of Swords

✩ Jun was very childlike -- not the annoying type but childlike in the sense that he was innocent and naive (6oC) in the relationship. And also very pure. But, rev. 8oS suggests that he feels he was exiting a period of oppression and is gaining a new perspective on things (probably after the breakup). rev. 9oS suggests he was often affected by SC's deteriorating mental health and it weighed him down heavily. He constantly had that positive and childlike outlook on life despite everything.

✮ NOTES