#jonsalocker

Healing of hearts? When HotD is currently on the run?

PLEASE DON'T DO THAT... DON'T GIVE US HOPE.

In season six when Cersei blew up the Sept (again a sacred place being as it's a religious building) with wildfire she was immediately put in place to be the mad queen. People started calling her the mad queen.

Dany burned down the Temple after the men threatened her. Cersei blew up the Sept because she was also threatened. She knew she would pay a horrible price when she was convicted in her trial.

Dear nonny,

of course people accuse others of being stupid, and I don’t have any beef with it, although I myself try to avoid being downright insulting. I would rather say something like “I think, this is a stupid assumption” than “you are stupid” for example. And even that I do only rarely, because being insulting doesn’t make the other party any more willing to think about your argument.

And it is not only Jonsas who believe in Political Jon: I alert you to an ask I had not long ago (x) that came from an non-shipper. And you would have to take my word for it, but I converted two of my colleagues to the political Jon Theory, non-shippers as well, although they believed that Da€nerys will become an antagonist, so it was not that difficult for them.

Just for the record: I do feel kind of insulted when people tell me that I can’t be a Jon fan, if I believe in the Political Jon theory. I know many Jonsas including myself who are Jon fans. For me it is the other way round: I cannot understand how you can be a fan of cunning BookJon and not believe in Political Jon. Yet, I do not run around and accuse Jon€rys shippers publically of not being real Jon fans. To me it is absurd to believe that Jon who was all about defending the North from book 1 and season 1 onward would not keep this in mind in all his actions in season 7.

The thing about freedom of speech is that you are allowed to voice your opinion, but you don’t have to. And you shouldn’t if all you can do is being insulting.

So, characters in fiction (show and books) can be interpreted and analysed differently, and this is how it should be. This is why we have discussions about interpretations and look for evidence in the books. Your take on Jon seems to me either that he is a cute cinnamon roll who is too honourable for his own good or since you don’t believe that boatsex was romantic that he thinks with his balls only and was maybe horny (I know other people who believe that).

This assumption might be wrong of course, and it might simply be that you - like many others - have not realised that Political Jon theory is not really a single theory but that there are variants of it, from Jon coming to Dragonstone with the purpose to manipulate D (which I think is not likely) to Jon playing the game only after the Wight Hunt when everything else had failed.

“Why do you think that is? It’s NOT because you’re smarter than the rest of us/the GA.” - Do you think that being an ESL doesn’t make me realise what you did there? You insinuate that we think that we are smarter than the GA, but you say that we are in fact less intelligent - doing the very thing you bemoaned as being common in ship wars. I don’t know why, but that made me think of pots and kettles.

I would say, that the reason for no one in the the general fandom being open to a real discussion of the theories of the Jonsa fandom is of a phenomen called bulverism (thanks to @occupyvenus to introduce me to that term). That means devalidating an argument because the person who put forward the argument is known to be biased. “It’s just your shipper goggles that make you see that”… Well, not taking an argument seriously, because the source is known to be biased is not taking that argument down. Actually it shifts the focus away from the argument to the arguer, but it is not really a counterarguement per se. In view of argueing it does nothing to the argument. Imagine a math professor saying: “1 + 1 = 2″, and the bulversim take on this would be: “Of course you would say that, you’re a mathematician.” If my memory of my school math is right 1+1=2 cannot actually be proven or disproven, since it is an axiom. But not to accept it because mathematicians have taught this for centuries would be… you say it… Bringing my bias into an argument we have is counterproductive, I have many biases…. I’m a European, I’m a woman, I have children, I’m against death penalty, I like how guns are controlled in my country…. I carry many ‘biases’ around… Bias can only be used as devalidating an argument if bias made me manipulate the evidence. But to insinuate that evidence brought forward from any shipper would be invalid? I prefer to compare shipper goggles to glasses. Some things you can only see with the right kind of lens.

I would also alert you this post, where I did collect some of the reasons why Jonsa in general is such a hated theory - which makes the GA unwilling to engage with us in a real discussion.

I would also say, that you are doing exactly what I argued against in my last post. You just put Jonsa shippers in a box and put a label on it (the label maybe being ‘NOT smarter than the rest of the GA’ or ‘ship biased’). The Jonsa fandom is a rather huge fandom and I’m convinced we have all kind of people in there, including some very talented people, as I’m sure there are in the Jon€rys fandom.

You really can't be that shocked when he marries his "sister"

Just sayin'