The last issue of the Marvel/Epic comic Wild Cards was published with a pull date of December 1990. The issue had 3 writers, 5 artists, and 2 colorists. ("Spadework", Wild Cards 4, Marvel/Epic Comic Event)
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Jetboy's (Robert Tomlin) grave was bombed by a wild card that began an investigation in the first issue of the Wild Cards, pull date of September 1990. The investigation went back into the past as far back as the 1940's and included such figures as Albert Einstein and John F Kennedy. ("Heart of the Matter" Wild Cards 1, Epic/Marvel Comic Event)
so, @length-of-ropeā sent me an ask regarding a thing I mentioned a while ago, as in:
Youāve also made a post the other day about how GRRM is actually more into happy endings than people believe and that he gave J/B like pairings happy endings in the past. I was wondering if perhaps you might be willing to share a bit more about those pairings? I havenāt read his other works and Iām pretty curious about those :-)
and I figured Iād answer it public for everyoneās enjoyment of My Speculation With Tinhats Re Why A JB Happy Ending Is More Likely Than You Think.
now, my speculation is mostly based on oneĀ specific couple but Iāll go at it largely. obviously: spoilers for all the mentioned GRRM books including the endings/specific plot points.
first,Ā āGRRM is more into happy endings than youād thinkā: while I havenāt seen his beauty and the beast and I havenāt read everythingĀ of his, I read dying of the light, fevre dream, armageddon rag and all of the wild cards series other than asoiaf including his work (also dunk and egg but d&e doesnāt count). spoilers: none of those books actually have a sadĀ ending. or better, most have a bittersweet one and it doesnāt end technically wellĀ for everyone and/or people die/suffer through it, but in all of them (WC is ongoing but Iām on that later) the protagonist(s) eventually either found happiness or died after a long and fulfilling life or got to their objective;
like, they were angstyĀ af books, but believe me none of that was total nihilism;
now, before I go to his ship preferences, Iād like to spend a few words to say that if anyone wants a good insight into whatās most likely georgeās proto rhaegar/lyanna you reallyĀ should read dying of the light (which is basically the rebellion in space with one of the protagonist whoās soĀ rhaegar itās not even funny) - that one counts asĀ āthe protagonist gets an okay-ish ending but two other people get the happy oneā;
fevre dream is theĀ āpeople suffer but eventually it goes well and the protagonist lives a happy fulfilling life before leaving the mortal coil naturally.
now, what I want to go into are actually the other two instances, ie: the armageddon rag and oneĀ specific wild cards couple.
armageddon rag is the shortest one to deal with and honestly if you want the crackiest shit ever where an has-been rock journalist prevents the end of the world that should come through a metal band named NAZGUL while reflecting on the vietnam war and the failure of his generation, you should totally give it a go because itās great fun, but other than that...
fact one: the protagonist (the has-been jaded rock journalist) is basically.... okay heās named sandy (short for sander if I donāt recall wrong) which is already HMMM but personality-wise heās wayĀ more like jaime - he REALLY believed in 60s counterculture and he loved rock music and now EVERYONE HAS SOLD OUT AND EVERYTHING IS SHIT, like he has a very jaime-like attitude on all of that, and while itās not the main part of the plot, at some point he goes reconnecting to all his old friends from college (including one who came back from vietnam with ptsd whoās kinda theon but nvm) including his ex-girlfriendĀ whose name escapes me right now but who was described as a) not particularly beautiful, b) with a broken nose and/or crooked teeth, c) very no-nonsense and after they reconnected and had sex they actually got back together at the end and stayed together, so while that wasnāt the main point.... YOU FEEL WHERE IāM GOING;
that said my case isnāt based justĀ on that because then itād be fairly weak. my case is based on the aforementioned wild cardsĀ couple (jay and hastet) which instead has similarities in spades which Iāll put under the cut because LONG STUFF.
now, in order: wild cards is a shared series grrm has going on with a bunch of his friends from the new mexico scifi club where they roleplayed in the eighties, the basic premise is that an alien virus is dropped on earth and gives people mutations (in the ratio where on 100 90 die, 9 get a badĀ mutation that gives them deformations and the likes and one gets the cool power), the aliens are the takisians and the virus is the wild card virus. grrm wrote a fair chunk of stories for it until the early 00s and now edits them along with his pal melinda snodgrass (this is relevant information donāt worry). also, one of the aliens, a scientist named tachyon (created by snodgrass) arrives on earth to help people deal with the virus and stays on there for half a decade. now, whoĀ weāre talking about here:
one of grrmās earliest/longest-living characters in WC is jay ackroyd, who (starting from the name) is imo a freaking obvious template for jaime, I mean if you take out the incest (since this guy has no sisters to speak of) and the looks (heās average-looking) this guy:
a) is a PI with a seriousĀ bad case of sarcasm/sense of humor, like he snarks all the time in also fairly vulgar ways;
b) has a fairly good sense of honor even if heās not exactly Lawful Good and always tries to do the right thing even if itās not convenient or if it means harming his friends;
c) has a superpower that has to do with his rightĀ hand (he can teleport people by pointing at them);
d) has a fairly shitty life ie very few friends and not one single lasting romantic relationship;
e) is fairly realistic and notĀ an unrealiable narrator.
thereās also other stuff but like guys trust me that dude isĀ basically pre-jaime when it comes to attitude, life choices, relationship with decency/his moral compass and bad sense of humor;
now, grrmās written him most of the time exceptĀ in book ten of the series, which was written by melinda snodgrass, but theyāre like very close friends and he most likely gave her at least the story when it came to hisĀ character, so we need to work with the idea in mind that this was sanctioned by george himself;
what happens in book ten is that because of VERY LONG PLOT REASONS THAT I WONāT BORE YOU WITH ALSO BECAUSE ITāS COMPLICATED AF and you donāt care for the whole shebang, tachyon has to go back to takis because his insane nephew whoās basically joffrey and ramsayās lovechild (yes, he is) has stolen his ship and wants to conquer it blah blah and he enlists jay and another one of the mains to help him, so jay goes to takis and finds out a bit about alien society on there;
now, takisians are weird af because while theyāre pretty advanced on a lot of things (not just technology) ie theyāre okay with same sex marriages and theyāre down with sex changes which they can accomplish with their amazingly advanced technology, they have a very classist society in the sense that if youāre *noble* you canāt have children with *commoners* and itās seen as impure and shit;
so what happens is that jay walks into this restaurant and chats up the owner - hastet - whoās a fairly nice takisian lady (takisians look human btw XD) and he does it by flirting like a fifteen year-old and she replies telling him to go fuck himself and pay for his lunch and heās like OOOH IāM IN LOVE;
then heās promptly discouraged by tachyonās friends from pursuing her because hastet is basically seen as trash by the other takisians because at some point she had a thing with a noble guy while sheās a commoner and became pregnant but they forced her to abort the baby/get a sterilization and since Having Children Is The Most Important Thing On Takis sheās basically seen as wholly undesirable;
obviously jay Cannot Give Two Shits about that and keeps on courting her while she thinks heās being Not Serious until she doesnāt anymore;
they bicker all the damned timeĀ until at some point she helps him, tachyon & co by risking her neck when she has literally no reason to and actually hates tachyonās crowd because they ruined her life;
after then they hook up and they get captured by the joff/ramsay lovechild.... who deals with getting rid of jayās power by *cutting off all of his fingers*Ā (donāt worry they get re-grown later thanks to the amazing technology);
mind that when they hooked up it was strictly described from his pov asĀ āhe never felt that way for someone elseā and all the extra sappy romantic shit;
then after jay gets his fingers back he asks her if she wants to go back to earth with him in an immortal exchange that went likeĀ āhow much can you stand?āĀ āa lotāĀ āthat would include me?āĀ āI think I couldāĀ āWANNA COME TO EARTH WITH ME???ā and she leaves with him after they keep on bickering all the time;
we can add that post-that-book the most immortal scene together they had was when some other teleporter who had to recruit jay to stop the bad dude of the trilogy appeared in their bedroom while she was riding the hellĀ out of him if you get my meaning but nvm that.
now, jay and hastet have seriousĀ jb vibes going on and not just for the stuff that I hope was clear from the above, but:
she absolutelyĀ sees herself as wholly undesirable and hates that others see her like that too but that doesnāt stop her from doing what sheās good at regardless of a society that hates her;
heās a complete social disasterĀ like heās very good at his job but heās an extremely lonely person desperate for a connection with someone he really gets;
she helps him when she barely even knows him and sheās more fondly irritated than else;
he gives literally zero shitsĀ about the fact that sheās Not Desirable For Her Peopleās Standards nor cares that she canāt have children which is seen as The Most Important Thing In Her World and cares about her personality first;
they 100% help each other through traumatic experiences;
the bickering is mostly him being extra and her rolling her eyes likeĀ āthis is the idiot I chose whyā;
eventually he gets his own niceĀ agency while she opens a successful restaurant on earth and like.. they get to put their talents at use how they want and while being happy instead of miserable because theyāre together, get what iām aiming at? ;)
now sadly the entire book wasnāt just about their romance because let me tell you it was the best thing about that lsd trip that was book ten, but thing is, I read wild cards after asoiaf and let me tell you those two were giving me jaimebrienne vibes for daysĀ like I think I got the message from the description but believe me when youāve seen how many jaimeĀ vibes he has itās kind of obvious (the part where HE LOST HIS FINGERS was likeĀ āyou fucking seriousā but never mind that). and like.. that was book ten, weāre at book 27-ish and while jay hasnāt been a main since the reboot (sad, I miss him) heās still around and kicking and theyāre still happily married and being horrible saps whenever itās mentioned.
now, given that thisĀ is one of the longer lasting couples in those books, that thereās anotherĀ jb template going on in the armageddon rag and that in everythingĀ of grrmās that I ever read no single bookĀ had an actual nihilistic/bad ending - all the contrary, grrm likes a good love story deep down - and that jb are one of the most obvious romantic set-ups on those books never mindĀ that jaimeās sl is cerseiās foil most likely and since sheās definitely notĀ going to live I would like to presume that he might...... I donāt want to say that the above means that FOR SURE THEYāLL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER, but since grrm already made two versions of themĀ live happily ever after previously and he obviously likes his tropes because he recycles them all the time (I mean honest dying of the lights has proto rhaegar, lyanna, joncon and sandor at least, in the armageddon rag thereās oneĀ proto jaime and one proto theon and possibly the proto brienne, fevre dream is a vampire thing but is2g thereās one guy who could have had reekās dialogue/looked like theon in his reek povs, the turtle from wild cards is soĀ proto sam tarly isnāt even funny [another character of grrmās by the way] and tbqh if you ask me lohengrin [another wild cards guy] totallyĀ would have gotten along with brienne)... I mean, why the hell would he do the jb dynamic twiceĀ and then not go for it the third time? ;)
(premise: I have endless other reasons to assume that neither jaime or brienne are dying but thisĀ is the one Iād bring up for theĀ āgrrm hates happy people and he wants everyone to sufferā no he doesnāt, especially people who follow his ship preferencesĀ and he obviously likes this dynamic because heās done it more than once.)
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