Jon Stewart on C-SPAN Presidential Politics, October 2004
Ken Auletta talks with Jon Stewart about the presidential election, media coverage of American politics, the art of political satire, and the standards of journalism employed by the media.
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Jon Stewart on C-SPAN Presidential Politics, October 2004
Ken Auletta talks with Jon Stewart about the presidential election, media coverage of American politics, the art of political satire, and the standards of journalism employed by the media.

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As a follow-up to yesterday’s post where I mentioned that I enjoyed watching the presidential debates from 2004 more than I thought I would, I think I know why they hold so much nostalgic appeal for me. It’s not so much that Indecision 2004 was the first general election season which I followed closely enough to watch the debates. Nor is it mainly the fact that John Kerry is fun to watch as a smooth debater while George W. Bush has folksy charm and seems like a really nice guy now although at the time he came across as whiny and petulant. And the 2004 election, particularly the outcome, is certainly not overall a happy memory for me. It’s that the 2004 election cemented certain aspects of my worldview to a greater extent than I realized at the time. In my second Wordpress blog entry, I did my best to describe how I came to think of myself as a rationalist, but there I focused more on the development of my religious and abstract philosophical views. Eventually I will write another post there about how my political views evolved in parallel, and a lot of it will have to do with the American political situation in 2004.
It’s not as though I was particularly left-wing at the time. Although all of my instincts compelled me to side with the left on most issues, particularly social ones, I was trying my hardest to be a centrist. (It’s somewhat parallel to the way I vocally identified as “agnostic” at the time while denouncing atheism for being too certain, even though for all means and purposes I was more or less an atheist.) This in itself is telling. On the meta level, I felt the need to recognize that there are two sides to everything and that avoiding tribalism was of the greatest importance. And I was attracted to John Kerry because I felt that his rhetoric exemplified exactly that. Yes he was liberal but not particularly so -- he seemed more focused on showing that there were other sides to the issues on which Bush had strong convictions. The allegation from the Bush camp that Kerry was a serial “flip-flopper” came across as an inability to appreciate that Kerry was able to see multiple sides of issues and therefore highlighted my favorite thing about him. (Nowadays my view of him is slightly more cynical; while I still believe that he was generally sincere and held consistent beliefs, it’s clear to me that he was shrewd about pandering to different groups of people.) Kerry was the very personification of my high-school-age rationalist sensibilities.
Meanwhile, Bush logic seemed to be a mess of pigheaded strong convictions for the sake of having strong convictions and claims that any vocal opposition amounted to “sending mixed messages to our troops”, which was clearly more important to him than open-mindedly seeking the truth on object-level issues regarding the war. This is an instance of what I now call “conflating object and meta levels”, and although I didn’t have the vocabulary to describe it as such at the time, that fallacy was definitely a well-established Thing in my mind from personal conflicts I had with other people and for the first time I was observing a blatant example of it on the national political stage. And of course it didn’t help that the Bush side was the one which promoted a religion-inspired social worldview while I was beginning to actively oppose religion as irrational.
(Heck, there was even a point in one of the debates where Kerry was defending his vote against a bill banning partial birth abortion. He said he was against partial birth abortion in general but voted against the bill because it didn’t include exceptions for when the mother’s health was in danger. He even said something like, “It’s not actually that simple.” Bush’s “rebuttal” amounted to “Look, my opponent voted against banning partial birth abortions and I voted for it. That’s all that matters, end of story.” I’m not paraphrasing that liberally here. I had actually forgotten about this exchange in intervening years and when I watched it again the other day even I couldn’t believe that Bush’s black-and-white-style rhetoric was that blatant.)
So fall of 2004 was the zenith of the period when I perceived that the American left, at least on some meta level, was the rationalist side (and eventually I became comfortable with embracing the left wing on most object-level issues as well and came to have fewer reservations about identifying as liberal). The ironic thing is that in no way do I feel that today: I’ve come to realize the rhetoric of the American left is at least as un-rationalist as that of the American right, although to be fair I’ve had relatively little exposure to right-wing rhetoric over the last decade and I’m sure some of it is pretty bad.
Some of the controversies around things that the Trump/Pence campaign is saying highlight an interesting ambiguity in the way we specify innate qualities of a person / group / institution versus their current behavior or circumstances.
For instance, the campaign slogan of “Make America Great Again” has been criticized as unpatriotic (which in principal should imply that it’s criticizing what America is rather than its current actions), although of course the intent behind it is to say that things have been getting worse in America and we need a different direction. This is not unlike the Kerry/Edwards campaign slogan in 2004 of “America Can Do Better”. Similarly, the “African-Americans are living in hell” assertion (I’m trying to quote from memory) is blasted for sounding disparaging towards black people, while at least the purported message behind it is that things are getting worse for black people. Both claims imply support for the desired ends but opposition to the current mode of execution for reaching them.
Then we have the controversy around that same campaign’s praise of Putin, where they say that Putin is a much stronger leader and so forth than Obama is. This seems to be based on what seems to me like vaguely the same sort of misunderstanding. But this time the quote is meant to indicate support for the means to certain ends (Putin’s strong leadership behavior) in spite of implied opposition to those ends (Putin’s values).
In all of these cases, most anti-Trump campaigners seem to be missing this distinction and interpreting these quotes to be extolling horrible values. But in fairness, pretty much nothing coming out of the Trump campaign is said in a nuanced manner, and the distinctions I’m trying to point out here are not exactly super clear from the quotes.

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So, um, does anyone know where I can torrent/download/watch for free Indecision 2004?