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do not try to tell me these are the same person. they are not. who's this guy. why he looking like discount satan and five seconds away from growing red horns and a pointy tail.
TGED WEBTOON EP 182 SPOILERS AND THOUGHTS AND OH MY GOD TGED IS ON HIATUS IT WONT BE BACK FOR LIKE. SO MANY WEEKS WHAT. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT. and more below the cut
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at the end of the ep it's revealed that THIS EP WAS THE LAST OF THE SEASON and that they're going on hiatus and the FINAL SEASON (FINAL???) will be returning may 30th (may 29th for those of us in the west),,,, THAT IS SO MANY WEEKS AWAY. 12 WEEKS AWAY I CANT TAKE IT. here's a part of the spread that . was promoing kinda. IM SO.
AAAHHHH WHAT AM I GONNA DO FOR THE NEXT- okay well i know what im gonna do. tged thursdays arent going away
ill say at the top while im here lol im gonna be reading the novel up to the point where the manhwa is at until the manhwa comes back!! so my liveblogs will continue as normal hehe - that'll start next thursday, and i will be reading to ch 364 over the course of,,, 12 weeks,,,,,,,, thats still so crazy long to me,,, THREE MONTHS,,,,
frontera vs hell,,, frontera you better win or i will bawl and cry and sob and weep . IM SO HYPED THO,,, AAHHH!!
ok now to the thoughts on the ending spoiler ,,, hehe
the moment i got to this panel . i knew. famous last words lloyd. the even more fucked up part was that i was feeling the same way. like i knew that he would be in for a ride, but i was like "we've seen a good number of ending spoilers now,,, i am prepared for what we will face" especially since ending spoiler 3 was so ominous . BOY WAS I WRONG
THE IMMEDIATE CUT INTO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ESTATE IS INSANE. right into it oh GOD AND LLOYDS EXPRESSIONS genuinely i loved all the expressions in this ep they were very good ,,,
and like the hell monsters too. actually fucking terrifying they look so otherworldly. THIS SHIT IS TERRIFYING,,, THEY LOOK HUGE
i really really love the creature designs in the manhwa, as sparse as they are,,, they aren't terribly complex but they fit well,,,, and the designs of these guys here are . SCARY SCARY SCARY its like a fucking apocalypse. jesus. the design of these monsters made me think oh god theyre hell creatures esp w the focus on helkaros recently and i ended up being right on that these r all creatures from hell . SCARY
ALSO JAVIER GETTING FUCKING BLASTED DOWN INTO THE GROUND FROM THE SKY HOLY SHIT NOOOOO JAVIER!!! GET UP GET UP!!!! AHHHHH
i like that lloyd reacted so viscerally to seeing javier getting hurt like that. he knows that these are visions he knows that these things havent happened and yet he yells his name and races to him anyway,,,,,,
AND THERE HE IS HELKAROS. honestly i didn't expect a full frontal assault like this, i figured helkaros would have tried to find a more efficient / hands free method,,, it could be that this attack takes place shortly after worthroad's attempt on the queen's life/sanity, but they managed to stop worthroad so helkaros decided "fuck it we ball" and went full firepower,,, the only reason i can see helkaros showing up personally like this is if lloyd Continues stopping helkaros' attempts to take lloyd, so i personally feel like we still have a lot of time before this happens (not a terrible amount tho,,, lloyd and javier still look to be the same age)
helkaros only having a SINGLE scratch on him is. a terrifying implication. NONE of javiers other attacks worked,,, only one, and it was probably the one with the demon king's blessing considering the color of the would is similar to the demon king power color. javier at his strongest and he can only land a single strike,,, TERRIFYINGGGG
and heres javier,,, christ,,, the most battered and bruised ive ever seen him tbh,,, HE LOST HIS HAIR SPROUT IN THE WARRR NOOO
javiers words indicate that helkaros did indeed come for lloyd,,, but that does make me wonder why the full frontal assault is necessary (especially since we see lloyd unscathed later). i think,,, helkaros is doing this to try and prove a point or something. and i think part of taking lloyd away is destroying what he holds dear so that he has nothing left,,, so that he gives up. ghhh,,,,
AND LLOYD'S REACTION TO THAT,,, AND TO HELKAROS ATTACKING JAVIER,,, AND HIM FINALLY REALIZING WHO THAT -1 IS REFERRING TO OH MY GODDD. HE LOOKS TERRIFIED. HE LOOKS FUCKING TERRIFIED
i figured that the -1 would refer to javier (it has to refer to someone who isn't supposed to die, and as far as we know, tkobai javier is destined to be left last alive and alone as he loses all his loved ones and drifts off) but seeing the realization/confirmation that it Has to be javier that is the -1 is haunting,,, god he looks so fucking scared, and worried,,,,
the worry still sitting on his face too as the future version of himself rushes in, ohhh lloyd,,,
here's the other part of why i think helkaros is specifically trying to force lloyd to give up ,,, bc helkaros succeeds. WAAAAHHHH TEARS CRYING SOBBING SNIFFLING
kim suho,,, the most tenacious, hardworking, dedicated man we have ever seen,,, the person who always finds a way, the person who has saved everyone on this estate,,, IS GIVING UP. THAT'S. INSANE. HE'S SURRENDERING???
"please forgive me" WHAT IS THERE TO FORGIVE? what has lloyd done? what does helkaros want from lloyd? we know the surface motivation of "oh, i want lloyd to work for me" but is there something more? okay, we know helkaros wants lloyd to Fully Give Up. he wants him to lose everything all over again. but is that all? why is lloyd giving up and begging for forgiveness?? pleading, begging, crying for mercy,,, oh my god. this is HAUNTING THIS IS HAUNTING. especially since he appears uninjured. i think helkaros put lloyd in a situation similar to the epic musical's Ruthlessness, where poseidon forces odysseus to watch almost his entire fleet fall. what conversation do they have,,, what lead to this? oh GODDD
EDIT - SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS THAT I FORGOT TO ADD ABOUT HIM CRYING/SURRENDERING!! a mutual of mine, when we had read the episode, was wondering if he was truly crying or if he was fake crying, and that got me thinking, so i'll paste what i said here:
and the text in these msgs here, for readability:
the thing about the crying in front of the mermaid queen and raphael vs the crying in front of helkaros is the level of depth and severity; for the mermaid queen and raphael, there were only tears and words, and he never outright BOWED (for mermaid queen he was already "bowing" but jsut out of formality). nor did he plead to the extent that he did with helkaros, as when he asked raphael to stop he didnt offer surrender nor did he say he was in the wrong for opposing raphael. the thing about THIS cryin scene with helkaros is that he is begging, on his knees, bowing DEEPLY, apologizing, saying he'll give up he's done just please don't hurt the people i love,,,, we've never seen him do that before. we've seen him cry, we've never seen him surrender.
not once, not ONCE has suho ever given something up. when he wants to accomplish something, he goes for it with whatever means necessary. but now we see him at his wits end, pleading and begging. the most hardworking, relentless, tenacious man we know just gave up. THAT'S TERRIFYING
LIKE. KIM SUHO? GIVING UP? AT THAT POINT IT'S LIKE TRULY JOEVER.
ok end edit sorry HAHA i forgot to yap about this
AND THEN JAVIER REACHING FOR LLOYD STOP STOP STOPPPP AAAHHHH AAAHH I CANT TAKE THIS
even when he's this fucking beaten up he's reaching out to lloyd im so. WHAT THE HELL!!! WHAT THE HELL. i saw this and fucking gasped oh my god. AND IDK ABT U GUYS BUT I FEEL LIKE ITS SIMILAR TO THIS PANEL OF LLOYD AFTER THE JEWEL OF TRUTH LIKE
ARE YOU KIDDING ME. ARE YOU KIDDING ME the hand reaching out the claustrophobically close shot IM DONE FOR YOUVE KILLED ME
and then helkaros,,, kills lloyd,,,,,,,, i think this is bc helkaros wants to directly be there to grab lloyd's soul (aka suho). god this spread shot is so. OMINOUS AND SCARY the glow of the glasses and in the distance his HEAD IM SO??? WHAT THE SHIT
it was pointed out too by one of my mutuals (saakokw on twitter) that lloyd's death is the exact same as lupellans, way back at the beginning; they both got beheaded,,, WHAT THE FUCK!!! INSANE INSANE INSANE CALLBACK jesus christ jesus christ
AND THE STORY RESETS? IT. AAHHH??? though i suppose it makes sense that, if we treat the story/lorasia as a program, it constantly running into bugs prevents the story from finishing,,, but fixing the bug means okay yay let's recompile and start from the top,,, something like that. idk,,,
but even though it resets suho doesn't get to "reset" with it . that's so fucked up. this panel and the closeup on his soul (RIPPED IN HALF???) is so fucking haunting holy fucking shit.
this, genuinely, is probably suho's worst fucking nightmare. losing everything, AGAIN, and forced to work without a single shred of hope in sight, AGAIN. THIS IS NIGHTMARISH
my mind is stuck too on how he's just. in HALF. like okay we've seen full souls before (the og lloyd frontera) and while he didn't have legs either it wasn't like,,, this,,, it was just wispy and like, it was more at his waist than at the middle of the torso. however,, suho is genuinely just fucking torn at the middle there. oh my god.
my other mutual Sprout (javierscowlick on twitter) pointed out that this probably implies he tried to escape, and wasn't successful,,, ofc he would try to escape this is his personal hell for him,,,
that's his SOUL too, keep that in mind. his literal EXISTENCE is ripped in half. is he even conscious? does he remember anything? what did he lose from this? this is actually fucking terrifying . this isn't just losing parts of ur body, but probably parts of ur fucking MIND oh my god. brutal,,, so fucking brutal. HELKAROS EAT SHIT AND EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
something i am very happy to see (in the midst of all these scary terrifying implications) is that lloyd's first response after reaching the end of the vision,,, is anger. visceral anger.
the reason im happy to see this reaction is bc it's not the reaction of someone who has truly given up on everything. he's angry and dissatisfied and upset about what he's seen,,, he's not even close to giving up! he's rightfully mad,,, helkaros has no right to take the things he's worked so hard to protect, to take the people he's come to love,,, he worked so hard for this he's not gonna lose it all again to an entitled hell god. GET HIS ASS!!!
this does make me wonder how they're gonna go about it,,, it has been mentioned that the other great powers of lorasia include the dragon king and the archangels,,, and he already has verkis on his side! technically. kinda,,, maybe that's the angle they need to go for? or maybe they need to find a way to appease / stop helkaros before he gets impatient enough to commit to a frontal attack,,, it's hard to say. there's not a lot of hints,,,
ok well actually there's a couple little things i wanna point out,,, the panel i put at the top of this liveblog is actually part of a really long spread that shows many of the character's we've met so far (plus javier and alicia) fighting against hell's monsters! it looks really cool (i really recommend looking at the full thing its pretty sick)
the monsters themselves look incredibly scary, almost alienlike or xenomorphic. it's completely opposed to the style of monster that would fit in the medieval fantasy europe type setting that lorasia is established to be,,, i think that works well with setting them apart from what they've faced before (like these are HELL monsters).
and at the top of the spread, we actually see something really big, and probably really significant: an eclipse!
it could be that the eclipse is their deadline, or something like that. or maybe the eclipse is caused by whatever helkaros is doing,,, either way the emphasis on this is really important i think, a chekhov's gun imo - the adapter and artist likely wouldn't have put it there if it wasn't important. im so curious as to the significance of it,,,
,,, but we wont know til may 29th. AAAAAAAAAHHHHH AAAAAAA
what a cliffhanger right. insane . THIS IS THE FINAL SEASON TOO THATS CRAZY,,, we really are in the endgame now guys. HOLY SHIT.
i was told too that this ending spoiler was done completely differently from the novel,,, makes me excited to read the novel,,, and also i am curious as to whether they will change even more beyond this point. either way,,, exciting,,,
i think that's all,,, it's been a really fun journey reading tged and i am super happy i decided to write my thoughts out on it as i read! i've never done liveblogs like this before but i am having a great time!!! and i hope everyone who has read them had fun too hehe
i will see u guys next week (or maybe this weekend, depends on how my work goes) with a post abt my thoughts on chs 1-30 of the novel (im starting from the top again since its been a while lol)!!! see y'all then!!!
tged webtoon ep 183-188 spoilers and thoughts that i am SUPER LATE ON but it is FINE because that gave me plenty of time to think and i have soooo much to say so much,,, and i'll also be going in order of release so expect a few combo'd posts for a bit all in a row HAHAHA
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some may already know this but i was literally at the start of my end of year finals when the hiatus ended so i was like both freaking out about tged and also freaking out about school. but it was ALL WORTH IT i read everything as soon as i could,,, i would argue it kept me alive <- dramatic
like coming back to tged and lloyd jumping straight in,,, holy shit,,, the excitement i felt was no other i was practically vibrating in class. i don't think i took notes that day LMFAO
we'll go chronologically of course, as my thoughts are mainly chronological, i reread the eps too so theyre fresh! starting with,,,
WHATEVER THE HELL HELKAROS IS YAPPING ABOUT HERE IM. "that is why i want you" WHAT THE FUCK!! GET A JOB!!! STAY AWAY FROM HER!!!!!!
as is customary, more below the cut !
LIKE OKAY I KNOW THAT HELKALLOYD IS A SHIP. it's not a Big one compared to javilloyd and alilloyd but i've seen art of it floating around - do i personally ship it? nah, not my thing - where helkaros is possessive toxic yaoi and lloyd is like oh!
BUT I DIDN'T THINK THEY'D LIKE,,, EXPLICITLY FRAME IT AS HELKAROS "WANTING" HIM OR "FALLING" FOR LLOYD IM LAKDFJLSJHDFA
it does make him as an antagonist SOOOO fun though it's so fucking interesting. i don't know if i've talked about it here before (i may have on the tged server actually) but helkaros and lloyd are like different sides of the same coin. they are both workers, who put their everything into getting the end result they want... but the difference between them is lloyd's care and empathy for the people he loves, versus helkaros' disregard for people as a "ceo" type. helkaros doesn't seem at all afraid to do whatever it takes to get what he wants, especially knowing what he does and says in ending spoiler four; "you did nothing wrong", because it's true, lloyd didn't do anything wrong. it was all helkaros' doing to get what he wants,,, and what he wants now is lloyd. SO THAT'S SCARY
lloyds response to THAT line made me giggle though so that kept me. alive HAHA "aren't you a little old for me / ? the age gap?" I CACKLED
during 183 we also got to see little snippets of javier having to learn externally/indirectly about what helkaros wants with suho,,, i like that we get a little snippet of this because it does come into play later in ep 188 and that. ughghghg my heart. ill elaborate more when we get there,,,
helkaros also commented on lloyd constantly making positive impacts on the world with the things he does,,, and then also tells him its pointless this time. he asks lloyd why he struggles, what point is his life if he's just going to struggle,,, which gives us this panel and it gives me so much life
and lloyd asserts that he'll struggle until the very end / until his last breath and im AJDLFKHSKDJFHAAAA IM VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS PANEL
i like that he is determined and angry. i like that there's this fire to keep going until the end,,, the expression in this panel is like a perfect blend of veiled rage,,, he's putting a stake on it, on living and fighting til the end and when i saw this i got SO DAMN EXCITED I LOVE THIS SIDE OF HIM A LOT lloyds tenaciousness shining through no matter what is a huge part in how this story came to be and i'm so glad that he's still reaching for the life that he wants,,, go lloyd go!!!
we also return to magentano in this ep,,, i was absolutely TERRIFIED to see worthroad again HAHAHHA esp once he started approaching alicia,,, but alicia got up and she had her sword and i was like HELL YEAH BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HIM ALICIA AND I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE HER AGAIN
AND THEN SHE GOT. POISONED AGAIN
H,,, AAAHHH,,,,,,,,, :') MANY THOUGHTS ON THIS
(it also got us This lovely spread where artanis and javier are in the background and lloyd and alicia are in the foreground and it's nice! the art is super pretty and the composition is so lovely)
i do really like the direction of "alicia doesn't trust anybody but she's opened her heart for lloyd as he's someone who's got her back and someone she has learned to trust" i think that is totally fine,,,
but a little voice in me,,, kind of wished that in this moment,,, alicia was able to fend for herself. i,,, kind of wished that this wasn't another "lloyd saves the day!" kind of dynamic.
do NOT get me wrong i think alilloyd is super cute,,, they're sweet and their small interactions are funny and lloyd being oblivious makes me giggle all the time. but i really really wish that their Big interactions were more balanced,,,
i Know that there have been some points where alicia saves lloyds ass. there's like two (in the cave/snowstorm, during the eye of summer ceremony),,, but even knowing this, alicia doesn't feel like an equal on a writing standpoint compared to lloyd. despite being told that she is a strong, independent, smart queen,,, the writing is heavily favoring a dynamic where she is the damsel and lloyd is the savior. and,,, idk,,, this just kind of stings to me, bc it's almost as if everything alicia does doesn't matter bc lloyd will fix it, lloyd will be involved. it feels like she's being robbed of her autonomy and that hurts ALKDFJSDJHFA
and i know, i know, "this is a story about kim suho and the people he loves!" but i feel like that and "alicia should be able to act on her own and save herself???" can be two statements that coexist,,,
it makes all the following interactions in the upcoming eps that ill chat abt here in a sec all the more bittersweet bc,,, it's so god damn cute,,, but i feel like the foundation is missing alicia's time and growth. i know the adaptor is really really trying to lean into the "lone wolf learns to trust again" type thing, and i'm sure they tried their best,,, i'm Aware that that's what they were going for,,, but i think it just falls short, and i can't help but wish for smth better for her, y'know? i wish alicia was treated a little more carefully and with more dedication to building up who she is before we jumped into the "oh i trust you to save me now",,,
took me forever to phrase this ramble in a way that makes it clear what my stance is but i hope that made any kind of sense HAHA i still have a lot to get thru so,,, ill pause that for now. there's more thoughts to consider regarding this topic (maybe i'll have a separate post about that <- says this every time) (especially if we want to compare javier's relationship to lloyd vs alicia's, and what makes alicia's writing different from javiers, that'll be a Time,,, i'll have to think on that) but it's the middle of the night so i GOTTA MOVE ON HAHA
ANYWAY. ep 184 is where the alilloyd arc of season 3 really kicks in,,, and i think alicia wishes aside, i had a lot of fun HEHEHE
lloyd being so damn oblivious to the queen liking him when even artanis has caught on,,, had me giggling my ass off. javier knew too and he just kind of let lloyd go thinking that alicia's trust in him is enough,,,, god they're so goofy. lloyd u are so real though bc i also wouldn't be able to tell in ur shoes. handshake.
also also! artanis mentions the dark magic worthroad uses being by an ancient evil god named maleficarum! we've had a few instances of alternative gods mentioned now (siluria's magic referencing different elemental gods and now this) so it makes me wonder if they'll come into play in bkmoon's future works,,, i think it'd be interesting to look into,,, despite the mana system being mostly explained, mage stuff has mostly been implied (ie existence of magic circles, whatever the fuck worthroad was doing to keep himself alive, silurias spellcasting as well as her amulet) so i think it'd be cool to explore,,,
as lloyd is trying to help cure alicia too, we get a really wonderful panel in alicia's mindscape of lloyd smiling at her young self and ,,,, this panel is one of my all time faves. it's such an "i'm here now" type smile and i love it so so so much,,, i have to post it i love it i love it HEHEHE
and alicia beams at him and they hug and this panel is also so so so lovely im so laksjdflhjaskjhdfa. the vines are gone and the sky is clear and alicia trusts him enough to jump into his arms and LIKE SEE ALILLOYD ARC IS ABSOLUTELY OBJECTIVELY CUTE. I LOVE THIS. I WISH WE SAW MORE ALICIA,,, bittersweet :')
and then,,, at the end of 184 we get javier wondering,,, "is this what they call,,, soulmates/a partner?" AND I,,, GAAHHH THAT HURT ME TOO,,, BC JAVIER YOU ARE LITERALLY ALSO A SOULMATE/PARTNER TO HIM
LIKE LITERALLY ur telling me that reivaj and dyoll from bhdl went and had all that next life talk and existed together in the previous era AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE,,, ONLY FOR U, JAVIER, TO TURN AROUND AND THINK THAT ALICIA IS HIS SOULMATE. BUDDY IT'S YOU. YOU ARE ONE OF HIS SOULMATES TOO. THERE CAN BE MULTIPLE SOULMATES LISTEN TO ME GET UP JAVIER STAND UP FIGHT BACK!!! GET YOUR MAN!!! YOU ARE HIS PARTNER TOO YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH THICK AND THIN TOGETHER YOU ARE HIS TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i sighed so deeply when i read that ep idk if my classmates could hear me stressin abt that line but yeah. HAHAFLDKJSDHFA
i think there was a panel of alicia looking at lloyd too and i do like that it kind of mirrors the snowstorm scene where lloyd wakes up to realize alicia gave him her mana,,, i did like that a lot and i wish there was more balancing like that OKAY OKAY ENOUGH WISHING
when we hit 185 we get a BUNCH of cutieful panels. this ep is so fluff and silly and honestly i'm obsessed w that,,, alicia is super cute especially,,,
LIKE LOOK AT THEM THE EEPERS!!! at some point i guess alicia pulled him onto the bed so that he'd be comfortable instead of being in the chair,,, and then,,, heh,,, hehehe,,, the shipper in me is spinning like CRAZY THEYRE SO CUTETHIS IS DOMESTIC I LOVE DOMESTIC SHIT
we also get this really sweet duo panel thing with these two,,, and alicia goes "i've got you now" and lloyd's stupid face blushing. he doesn't even realize what alicia's done what with the whole. law of the kingdom or something that basically implies marriage/intimacy HAHAFKJSDFHA god alicia's so gorgeous sorry i keep getting distracted by her i love pretty bold women
the nobles like asked her and everything like "are u sure this is,,," and she goes "yeah. ill follow law" and when i read this live i didnt even need to know what the law was to know "oh this is what Seals the Deal. oh There it is. SHE'S LITERALLY GOT HIM"
this panel too was also super duper lovely,,, SO SO SO CUTE. alilloyd fans were eating very well that thursday I AM OBSESSED W THE COMPOSITION OF THIS PANEL SO FUCKING MUCH alicia leading and lloyd a lil hunched being dragged along and he's blushing and she's smiling ansdlfkjlaksjdfkjhasdf and there's so much about this panel,,, lovely
the photo in the background too is michael from dragon king's chef bc of the flower in his hair, him being blond, and the sword! i love when they do callbacks like this,,, really good and kind of helps cement that this world has history
i also think it's really interesting that alicia is wearing a black/dark blue cape now, when she previously wore a big mantle of red, like swimming in red (much like michael in that bg photo, actually). in my (yet to be posted lmfao) alicia thoughts post, i discussed red being symbolism for the weight she carries, how despite cutting her hair, she still hangs the weight of the kingdom on her shoulders, the red trails down from her back,,, but now she's got black/blue. it makes this feel like a transitional period for her, which kind of ends up being true in the following eps, so i really like this lil color change a lot. no idea if its intentional, but it brought me joy thinking about it
in ep 186, we see the treatment process btwn alicia and lloyd and,,, god its so silly goofy LAKDFJLHSJDFJKHHA I LOVE IT I LOVE her teasing him for holding her hand was so ridiculously silly im so fucking obsessed WHY ARE THEY LIKE THIS WHY IS LLOYD LIKE THAT??? AKJLFHSDJKFSDHAA
AND THEN THE. TYPING THE KNOT. THING. LIKE THAT'S SO. THAT'S SO???? LAKJFDLSHDF!??!? cutest romantic lil implication ive ever seen in my damn life THAT'S SO CUTE??? THAT'S SO CUTE,,, GAAAAAHHH
obsessed w how the ribbon makes a heart,,, at how alicia is the one tying lloyd to her but lloyd is the one holding onto her,,, oogh,,, alilloyd,,, alilloyd,,,,,, tears in my eyes
AND THEN LLOYD GETS A TASTE OF HER FUCKING WORKLOAD AND I STARTED LAUGHING LIKE A FUCKING IDIOT
THIS PANEL OF LLOYD JUST BEING DRAGGED ON THE GROUND FUCKING SENT ME HE CANT HANDLE HER OWRK IM HADFLKJSDFHHAHAHA
genuinely the compositions and the bits at the start of season 3 are so damn good i'm glad they took a big ol break before jumping into it bc that just helped all of this come together so nicely i love the art direction so damn much. really good.
they have a conversation in the bath and we finally get more conversation about alicia and the way she works,,, "if i rest, the people will suffer. if i suffer, the people will be safe." lloyd immediately clocks her as a workaholic, and i think that's true, but i also think it's directly related to what happened in her past. ep 140 is the ONLY ep that shows her history but it tells us so SO much about why alicia is who she is today,,, (and i still wish we got more but i digress)
this mindset of "i must be the one standing and working for my kingdom so bad shit doesn't come about" more than likely comes from how her life fell apart because she was "at rest" and didn't involve herself with the people - which isn't her fault! she was the youngest daughter, furthest from the responsibilities from the kingdom, and she should have been able to live as such,,, but that childhood was taken from her, and soon she was the only one left to run this kingdom. if she doesn't run it, who will, right? otherwise it'll all fall apart even more, and that can't happen if she wants to protect this place that she cares about,,, leading to, of course, "if i rest, the people will suffer. if i suffer, the people will be safe". and of course, no one was there to tell her to value her own health and time too,,, so that's just how she is.
and (this is a scene that happens in 187 but it feels relevant enough to bring it up since i'm talking about it now) when lloyd is confronting her about her behavior, and explicitly saying he Knows how it began,,, it's absolutely because he Gets it. he's been in those shoes too- "if i rest, the face of my parents will suffer. if i suffer, i will protect their image and the person they worked so hard to raise." i have constantly been asking for them to have this kind of conversation, and while it isn't as direct as i had imagined (it's very read-between-the-lines),,, i really appreciate it. these moments between them make me really happy. whether or not alicia grasped what lloyd was getting at, i'm not sure,,, but i'll believe that she did. it keeps alilloyd afloat as well LMFAO
in 187, lloyd's main goal is to get alicia to rest and to do that,,, he asks to be king for 3 minutes,,,,,,, leading to very goofy expressions I LOST IT AT ALICIA LOOKING THIS PISSED AT LLOYD THEYRE SO. and the whole time they're still tied together tears in my eyes
and to think he doesn't even realize that he'll likely soon Actually be king. ooooh buddy. bro has no idea,,,
and then the scene mentioned earlier where lloyd expresses that he gets where alicia's coming from, but alicia needs to rest to make sure she can continue living to keep her people safe and alicia hears him and,,, it's very sweet,,,
alicia does like beat him up a little bit for acting out of place afterwards / still acting like a king after his 3 minutes which i'm like "?" at but it's made pretty clear that it's for the sake of goofy ass bit,,, alicia smiles at him as she's fucking stepping on him and thinking "im more fond of him,,," AND HES SMILING WHILE UNDER HER FOOT ALDFKJSLDKFHA OKAY BUDDY,,, i know what you are /LH /JOKING iknow its prolly cause of the convo they had but yknow. THE FOOT IS KIND OF PROMINENT LAKJDFLSJHDFJHKA
at the tail end of 187,,, we learn that the things lloyd has built over the years are falling apart faster and faster despite his predictions,,,, which gets us THIS serious ass panel i love this expression on him,,,
and this is what leads us into 188. the big one. ohhhhh boy this episode gave me whiplash
lloyd is spreading himself incredibly thin in just simply trying to manage everything while thinking about how to stop helkaros AND stop fate,,, and javier isn't blind. he sees it.
javier observing this and also coming to conclusions in 183 on his own,,, i really like how it kept cropping up until the end of this episode. it feels meaningful and it makes sense, as javier has watched suho for so long,,, i really like this kind of foreshadowing at what happens at the end of this ep. really good,,,
WE ALSO GET. VERKIS AND CHEONG YAAAAYY YYAYAYAY THEYRE SO CUTE AND ALSO VERKIS' MOM??? IVE NEVER SEEN HER BEFORE??? SHES SO FUCKING COOL LOOKING IM SO she's lovely she's so lovely. i wish i could read the rest of dragon kings chef its not translated to EN :') but theyre very cute,,,
god verkis is such a fucking wife guy . he loves cheong so damn much oh my god ALSO CHEONG IS SO PRETTY IN THE TGED STYLE YAYY YAAAA SHES SO CUTE lovely,,, lovely,,, im glad she's alright i was wondering what she was up to!
and then we cut back to lloyd,,, and i really like this panel of him here. he's spread so thin and exhausted but he's still out here working hard,,, and notably without much to support him besides his shovel. he's hunched over and breathing heavy, but even so when verkis asks him whats up, he goes "its manageable" with a tired ass expression like. ohhh buddy,,, ghh,,,
verkis also asks him about what the jewel of truth said to which he falls silent,,, and verkis correctly guesses that lloyd doesnt like the answer he got. and we cant see lloyds expression during that but,,, it's clear he's still really upset by it. oh my shayla,,,
finally, verkis brings up that lloyd can't keep endlessly trying to manage everything, and asks if he's willing to do this for the rest of his life (a little reminiscent of helkaros' question eh?) and lloyd doesn't even hesitate to say yes, which verkis comments on,,,
i'm glad that verkis offered his help for if lloyd ends up needing it, though it makes sense that lloyd would want to avoid bringing the dragons into this,,, bc if hell is already involved, and lloyds got an angel on his roster,,, who knows what would happen the world coudl like. explode.
NOW,,, the climax for the season 3 opening episodes and what made me INSANE FOR A WEEK,,,
javier approaches lloyd and asks him directly about what the jewel of truth said. i really like that javier does this,,, he's always been direct with getting the answers or results he wants and i'm glad that stays true here, especially considering his observations earlier in the episode as well as his realization back in 183. he's sick of being in the dark about these things, and he wants to help. esp knowing how he felt about artanis being relied on,,, i'm certain javier is feeling sidelined by the man he's been with all this time.
but javier is met with lloyd being,,, avoidant about the truth again. hell lloyd doesn't even make eye contact this time, he just kinda looks away, gives a half-assed excuse and a half smile,,, but javier sees right through him. honestly id believe it if javier was already upset by this point,,,
at this point as i was reading i was getting alarm bells in my head i could FEEL the incoming argument . it's like seeing a dodgeball of prophecy a second before it fucking pummels u in the face. BC THEY DO INDEED START ARGUING
lloyd denies shit again and javier KNOWS he's fucking lying and calls him on it and oh my god the way lloyd's expression gets more and more upset as he keeps asking,,, this fucking HURT ME IT HURTS IT FUCKING HURTSSSS AAGGHHH
like he just stops denying it and starts asking javier to just cut it out and i . TEARS . IN MY EYES gghhghlskdf BECAUSE HE CAN"T DENY JAVIER THE FACT THAT HE'S HIDING INFO ANYMORE JAVIER KNOWS HIM TOO WELL BY THIS POINT,,, GAAAAAAAHHHH GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH HANDS PRESSED TO MY HEAD THE VOICES
and javier finally actually just caves and shouts at him,,, genuinely angry and upset and confronting him about this and akjsdlfkjsdf
what he says too also hurts me because it's something that lloyd absolutely fucking knows. he realized it when he got out of his depression arc, he KNOWS that he can rely on javier and the people of the estate to help him,,, and yet he's still bearing it alone by simply carrying the truth with him, bc he wants to reject that truth, he wants anything else,,, "we need to face it together" and facing it together is the one thing that'll guarantee one of them getting killed, bc lloyd Knows how javier would react to the truth the jewel gave. they know each other too damn well TEARS IN MY FUCKING EYES
it's just generally a big pointer to how suho just is, as well,,, it's like he's a natural mf martyr. he lived in korea carrying everything to protect whats left, and he's doing it again and again in lorasia and god lloyd you are so obvious you are so obvious
AND THEN THEIR COUPLE FIGHT CONCLUDES WITH. THIS. JAVIER GOING "ARENT WE FRIENDS" AND LLOYD GOING "WHO'S YOUR FRIEND YOU ARROGANT BASTARD" AND I GASPED SO FUCKING LOUD
I DONT EVER RECALL LLOYD YELLING AT JAVIER LIKE THIS IM SO. GOD I STARTED FUCKING LOSING MY MIND TEARS IN MY EYES AND FREAKING TEH FUCK OUT THIS IS. and all the estate people looking on in shocked silence bc. these two are the DUO OF THE ESTATE OF THE CENTURY and they just had a FIGHT over something no one else could probably understand and AAAAAAHGHGHLKDFKSDJAAAAAA
and in that silence lloyd just,,, he does look angry yeah but less of the "visceral rage" and more of the "im upset and heated and emotional and disgruntled and" yeah. i couldnt stop staring at this for a while
we don't even see javier's expression after this when he apologizes for overstepping,,, normally his expressions we see all over his face but,,, this one we don't get to see. but i don't think we need to bc god that's such a fucking blow to the heart. it fucking HURTS,,, like imagine being so damn worried about your friend working themselves to the bone, hiding information from you, and when you desperately plead to them so that you can help, they turn around and stab you with a "you're not my friend" so they can avoid telling you. LIKE. WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT THE FUCK. THATS WHAT JUST HAPPENED THAT HURTS OW OW OWOAFKSJDKFHSKDFAA JAVIERRR JAVIERRR
lloyd is even the first to walk away from this (probably didn't want to linger on the hurt on javier's face, bc even though we as an audience can't see it,,, i'm sure lloyd did. javier, that boy wears his emotions on his damn palm let alone sleeve,,,) and javier is still rooted in the spot,,, we don't even see him turn around to follow. ugh,,,, UGHHH,,, THEIR FIRST SERIOUS COUPLE FIGHT SINCE THE MASTADON INCIDENT AND IT DOESNT GET RESOLVED BY THE END LIKE THE OTHER FIGHT DID,,,, AAAAAAAHHHHHHH
i'm pretty sure by the time i was able to read this ep my next class was JUST about to start and i was freaking the fuck out over this LAKSJFLSKJDHFHSDJFA pretty sure the people behind me saw me losing it on the tged discord </3
ESPECIALLY WHEN I SCROLLED ONTO THE LAST PANEL BC
THIS EXPRESSION FUCKING HURT ME SO DAMN BAD. LLOYD FEELS SO FUCKING BAD ABOUT THIS BUT THE TRUTH IS EVEN WORSE HE'S STUCK BTWN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE IM SO. ALKSDFLSKDJFJHSKFLA
esp bc like after the heat of the moment is when you start to realize what you've said and oooooh. for a whole fucking week i was like "oh my god theres no coming back from this. this is a "Javier will remember this" moment of all time oh GOD". the tged server and i started calling this the divorce arc
AND THEN THATS WHERE THE SEASON 3 OPENING EPISODES ENDED AND WE HAD TO WAIT FOR A WEEK TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THEIR BREAKUP FIGHT
honest to god i felt like that fucking meme image of the wolf kid crying while his furry parents argued in front of him I AM SO SERIOUS THE BOYFS WERE FIGHTIIING AAAGHHH
can u imagine waiting for a week after this. i can't. i can't believe i managed to.
to conclude (??? IDK HOW TO END THIS) this was a really good start to season 3,,, lovely art and interactions and besides my wishes for alicia,,, i had a great time (despite me freaking out HAHA) nod emoji
naver then posted another 3 episodes in a row so that'll be the next combo liveblog,,, i'll have many thoughts on those ones too so that'll be another long one,,, because so much shit happens SEASON 3 IS JUST "HOLY FUCKING SHIT EVERYTHINGS HAPPENING" IM ALKJFLSKDFKSHDJAAAAA
i'm obsessed. i love this damn story. i hope they get a happy ending. i hope it never ends because i will cry when it's over. i hope they get a happy ending. PLEASE
tged webtoon ep 180 spoilers and thoughts of me being lowkey scared but also having a great fucking time bc of lloyd's expressions but still being worried and more below the cut
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THE THUMBNAIL FOR THIS EP WAS THIS PANEL OF HELKAROS. I WAS SO DAMN TERRIFIED Y'ALL I WAS LIKE "oh god are the sillies over already. ARE WE ALREADY IN THE STORM??? THE CALM WAS TOO SHORT"
THANKFULLY we got one last ep of sillies to wrap up the mini arc,,, and i really like how it ended actually,,,
y'know i probably should've expected them to do a redemption for the venetos, but i'm still happy it happened,,, it doesn't take back all the shit the chief has said to his wife and kid but it's a start! absolutely a start, and i like that that's how it ended i think
OK BACK TO THE TOP. LLOYD'S PANELS IN THIS EP WERE TOP FUCKING NOTCH I LOVED THEM SO MUCH. LOOK AT HIM BEING ALL SMILEY,,, SO DAMN CUTE,,, STOPPP
HE'S SO DAMN ROUND,,, plus the cuts between where he's being ominous and describing the ABSURD interest rates HELP???
it is very nice that the chief (I FORGOT HIS NAME ALREADY) is determined to provide for his family in this new way,,, i'm glad about that. i think that's a big part of why i liked the end of this arc,,, again, still wish the intro was a little different but seeing this growth was really nice,,,
ALSO. "javier has already crossed a river too wide" HELPPP JAVIER LAKDFJSHDF not even doubting him for more than two panels anymore,,, he's too far gone,,, saluting u javier,,,,, still the funniest mf in the room i love his deadpan moments like this. stupid silly,,,
this whole bit was so damn good,,, i didnt even realize how this is very much a Bad Thing lloyd was doing technically until the system pointed out that he's doing what loan sharks do laksdjflkasdf the reader herself was also swindled,,,
honestly i was like a lil worried when i got to this point of the ep esp since many of my mutuals have said that the manhwa characterization is a bit. off the rails,,, so at this point i started getting worried abt how they would proceed,,, system is completely right in that loan sharks n financial scam things are things that he's had to deal with his whole life and he hates it, so to see him do this,,, feels odd,,, it's later explained in the ep tho hehe
THEN THEY SHOWED THE GOOD KARMA/BAD KARMA THING W HELKAROS AND OOH,,, MY GOD,,, OH SUHO YOU'VE BEEN SO DAMN GOOD,,, ALL YOUR LIFE,,, the bad karma not even reaching 200 and yet his good karma is OVER 80 MIL,,, you've been so good suho,,, u deserve good too,,,
seeing helkaros again made me worried more but also seeing his good karma made me so damn happy. if suho ever wanted a quantifiable way to prove that he's lived right, to prove that his parents raised him right,,, there's ur answer,,, tears sobbing sniffling
then we cut to lloyd coming back to collect the payments AND,,, AND,,, ALKDFJLSKJDFHSDFHGG
HE'S SO ROTUND,,, SO ROUND AND SQUISHY,,, CUTE,,, I LOVE THESE PANELS SO SSOO MUCH SO SO SO SO MUCH,,, OH KIM HYUNSOO-NIM THANK YOU FOR THIS I LLVE THESE,,, HES SO CUTE,,,
another fav bit was the fucking. cute then immediate "TCH." IM. HAHAHFLKDSJFHAHAHA I LOVE BITS LIKE THAT
like god he goes from looking like the most puntable squishy creature on earth to a fucking mob boss im CRYINGGG
at this point tho when the demons rushed in i was like. actually scared that they'd do some really bad fucking shit ,,, as aware as i am about suho's empathy/overall good behavior, it's still. CONVINCING that he's doing something Awful y'know especially when it's lloyds face looking like a thug. doesn't help that he didn't explain himself to the system either,,, which makes me wonder if the system is connected at all to the karma values that we saw? since the bad karma went up once the system heard what lloyd had to say, but also didn't remove it? ehh not sure, don't think it's terribly important but just a passing thought
AND THEN THE REVEAL THAT THEY JUST AGGRESSIVELY CLEANED AND REMODELED THEIR HOUSE IM. LAKJDFLSKJDF
AND I WAS SO RELIEVED AND ALSO SO HAPPY,,, LIKE OF FUCKING COURSE,,, THATS WHAT THEY DO BEST,,, ALDJFKSDFHA
like i know lloyd is like "u see how fast we fix? think abt how fast we could tear it all down,,, >:3" but after seeing this, i mean this when i say that i do not believe he'd tear anything down at all alksdjflkasdf ohhh suho,,, literally taking the most roundabout way for this,,, ily bud never stop doing good
AND HIS KARMA SKYROCKETTED FOR THAT TOO HE PUSHED PAST 90 MIL!!! SO CLOSE TO 100 MIL AAHH
that makes me wonder then how exactly helkaros is gonna drag lloyd down,,, is he gonna inflict despair, is he gonna make lloyd give up somehow? i'm curious,,, esp after seeing worthroad again (YEESH the time has not been kind to you buddy)
he has two of those dark magic blades now,,,,, i remember his plan was to bring war by bringing alicia to madness like fate had originally planned,,, and with fate still chugging along it's possible that this is gonna be like. TEN BILLION times worse than what fate had originally set on,,, which is scary. i think we're entering the storm,,, i'm SCARED
very glad this arc got the chance to have a nice conclusion,,, i keep saying this lol but rough start, nice ending,,, now we're back in the wringer. i'm NERVOUS AND I HOPE LLOYD PULLS THRU,,, im wondering too if lloyd is gonna use his blessing thing on javier at some point during this next arc,,, would that be enough to defeat helkaros? idk,,,
IM EXCITED!!,,, ill see yall soon prolly after my midterm lol
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cause he really, really wants to keep lloyd for himself.
lloyd is so very talented after all, he'd make a great asset to hell. if helkaros manages to snatch him up before he collects enough good karma to pass through the reincarnation gate without being trapped in hell, he'll make his job so much easier, he'd probably get enough work done to take his first vacations in thousands of years.
and wouldn't you know. there's this fascinating little phenomenon trying to kill lloyd already. why, he would just need to give it a little push, just a little help really, and it'd get him lloyd in no time, with enough bad karma to keep him in hell for as long as helkaros needs him.
it is oh so tempting. it'd be so efficient. and helkaros is nothing if not efficient.
I can't sleep, so...how do you think Hellkaros became the Hell King? I think if I don't ask someone about this, I really won't be able to sleep.
oh bestie i am so sorry i didn't see this before, i think we're on completely opposites time zones :')
i am sooo curious about helkaros tbh! he's such a mysterious character, we don't know much of him or his backstory, but the fact that he's been king of hell for 670,000 means he's,,, old. very, very old. though perhaps not for his standards considering his predecessor lasted 3.8 billion years.
i'm not sure if i think he was human before turning king of hell, but it seems somewhat probable? perhaps he was also an unfortunate soul who caught the eye of the previous king of hell for his efficiency and just... got handed the job when the other guy kicked the bucket.
i don't know! he just seems like one of those characters who so completely embody their position it's difficult to imagine them as anything else!
berkis seems to be so powerful do you think he will able to do something like return og!lloyd and suho back to their original bodies? bring suho's original body to their world? and stop the restoration of fate? ignoring the if he isn't a lazy bum that will find this situation bothersome, but do you think berkis has these abilities?
nope! stopping the restoration of fate is one of the very few things that berkis can't do, not because he's a lazy bum but because it's actually out of his reach
Altering the path of fate was not an easy task. No, it was almost impossible. Like an overly tight bowstring, no matter how much you attempted to yank adn stretch it to change its shape, it returned to its original form as soon as you let your hands go.
"That is the phenomenon called the restoration of destiny," explained Berkis dully. "That is how tenacious destiny is. And its restoration power is formidable."
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"Then what am I supposed to do to stop destiny?" Lloyd felt dizzy as he heard these words.
"I don't know," blurted Berkis nonchalantly.
"Excuse me?" Lloyd's brow lifted.
"Didn't you hear me? I don't know."
"Wow." Lloyd gaped.
"How am I supposed to know that? Do I look like a god?"
now could you argue that this is berkis not wanting to give lloyd any more incentive to ask for his help with dealing with the restoration of fate? yes absolutely this bastard led lloyd on a wild goose chase with the jewel of truth cause he didn't actually think he would be able to find all the materials and he wanted to get him off his back but. i kinda do want to take his word for it. if only because he sounded genuine when he asked if he looked like a god to know the answer.
plus. we also have confirmation that the king of hell can't do it.
"I'd like for you to clarify one thing. If I promise to work for Hell in the future... Could you put a stop to the restoration of destiny?" Lloyd asked, pining all his hopes on this question. He desperately wondered if he could save the Count, Countess, Julian, Scheherazade and everyone else around him by promising, no, signing a contract to diligently work in Hell after death, in exchange for stopping the restoration of destiny.
Hell's King clicked his tongue. "I did make the right judgement about your character. You are a good man at heart. But unfortunately, that is not possible."
"Even... if I promise you?"
"No." Hell's King shook his head, saying, "No, the restoration of destiny cannot be stopped once it has begun regardless of anyone's opinion, including mine. The phenomenon can think and act for itself. It will not stop until it meets its goals."
"It reminds me of a computer program," said Lloyd.
"Yes. It's similar to a computer program of your world."
"..."
"It must be clear to you by now. It's out of my control," said Hell's King with finality in his voice.
"I see." It was not a lie. The fact was painfully clear to him. The matter was beyond the King of Hell's control.
and if the king of hell can't do it, i'm willing to bet the archangel or berkis could neither, as they are somewhere in the same level of power.
but we also got more explicit confirmation of his from the webtoon. which. i am willing to take into account for this one thing because it doesn't directly contradict anything in the novel :P
as for whether he could return og lloyd to his own body and lloyd to his,,, i don't think so. for one thing not even the king of hell knows why lloyd took og lloyd's body in the first place and he's the one that deals with souls the most and the one that would have a better idea of why or how it happens, but he can only give his opinion, not an outright fact. i doubt berkis would know or have the power to anything about it that the king of hell couldn't.
