Apr 30, 2015
Jimmy and Amelia are soulmates then? Since they were probably matched to continue Castiel's vessel line? Even without that free will element, I'm so happy they get to be together!! <3
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Jimmy and Amelia are soulmates then? Since they were probably matched to continue Castiel's vessel line? Even without that free will element, I'm so happy they get to be together!! <3
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oh okay, thanks for clearing that up, I just figured that if angels died WITH grace they just stopped existing? is Cas special in that regard since he works in the staffs, as you said?
Well... we don't exactly understand what happens to angels when they die with grace. Â Supposedly, their grace scatters their angelic construct in a supernova type event? Â But since Cas is different, and God always brings him back, he's never going to have to worry about this anyway IMO. Â
This has been bugging me, but I've seen no discussion about it. In 9.14 Kevin explains that Heaven is sealed off and souls are being trapped in the veil, and have been since the Gates were shut in 8.23. BUT in 9.04 when Charlie "comes back from the dead," Dorothy explains that she'd seen her personal heaven (the Christmas morning scene). I've also seen meta about what Cas might've seen in 9.03... BUT HOW? Wouldn't they just have been trapped in the veil, too? It's really bothering me.
Well... Dorothy wasn't ACTUALLY in Charlie's headspace, so she was just guessing what happened to Charlie based on her own experience (which falls into our theme of unreliable narrators)... According to 7x10, the dying can revisit memories in their heads before they are actually reaped. This is the same thing that essentially happens in Heaven (memory replay). Â It would honestly be easy to confuse the two. Â Charlie didn't mention the reaper coming for her, so this is the best explanation I can offer. Â The whole thing bothers me too honestly.Â
butterflydm replied to your post:Sam and Dean didn't share a heaven, though? What do people consider "share"? Dean had to go find Sam (for me, sharing would be them showing up at the same place at the first giving moment), and it was possible for this and such, like how Rufus was able to help Bobby out. And they see memories before going off completely (like Bobby's last "heaven" was Sam and Dean on the couch - does that mean Bobby was in love with Sam and Dean..? /s).
Thanks for explaining your PoV! I’ve wondered how you could both see ‘soulmates’ yet also see that D&S have vastly different definitions of happiness, but now I understand where you’re coming from even if it’s wildly diff from my own interpretation.
No prob. Â I've read a lot of interpretations of this, but find I always come back to my initial impression. Â We can't all agree on everything! Â ^_^
I saw in the tags of a post you said that you argue that sam and dean share a heaven, and I can see your point by what you said, do you think they will still share a heaven at the end of the show or...? (especially since if say, sam gets a love interest, and/or dean became romantically involved with cas by the end of the show, wouldn't they each share their own heaven with both their respective partner? sorry I don't understand much about heaven in spn)
I've written a meta on this interpretation here.  Think of Heaven as a hotel. There's one-room suites and two-room suites.  Everyone "technically" has their own room (their own memories, their own space, their own "stuff"), soulmates just have that extra door between their rooms that isn't locked, instead of being locked in from the outside (the Axis Mundi).  And yes, I expect this is their permanent "setup".  They've been booked a two-room suite and will not get down graded as it were. Â
The Host of Heaven works like a series circuit based rechargeable battery farm. "Each soul generates it's own paradise," as Cas explains.  Since soul "batteries" do not enter the cells of other soul batteries it doesn't matter who ends up with who romatically in life. All the soul can do is generate "memories" of their lover, family and friends. For example, Sam's soul could generate the memory of Jess (or whoever new) in his two-room suite in Heaven, but he couldn't actually have her soul with him.  Cas and Dean would be a special case, obviously, as Cas is an angel.  Cas' wavelength is designed to use Heaven as a power source.  He, by all means, shouldn't have a Heaven. He works in the staff rooms as it were.  He, like Zachariah and Raphael, can go into whatever Heaven he wants and stay for however long he wants.  According to canon, Cas could physically stay with Dean's soul in his half of the Winchester suite.  :) Â
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If Ezekiel wants to be loved, and if he's not what he seems or a 'special' angel of some sort, is it possible that he is a Grigori? They introduced Nephilim last season, after all. (And after checking the Watcher wikipedia page, an angel named Ezeqeel was one of their chiefs, although he's also got two other names).
If he’s not a hybrid of some kind and he’s strictly an angel I’d be leaning towards Grigori, yes.  He’s maybe even a Grigori that was producing Nephilim around the time of the flood.  Perhaps those angels were rounded up and not thrown into Hell, but instead locked away in some part of Heaven?  IMO the watcher angels would naturally be the one more susceptible to wanting human interaction (love, sex…) because of their position among the Host.  I think we can expect Sneakzekiel to be something in the vein of whatever Ephraim is.  I’m sure I’ll have a better theory on the matter once 9x06 airs. Â