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Chat I do think this memory was altered, and here's why:
This is 100% supposed to be Mike (Michael), not Will. Goddammit godfathergate. Both of these scenes take place in a hospital, and are weirdly similar framing wise. If I take some screencaps of Mike wandering the hospital they may be very similar to Michael Corleone wandering the halls making sure Vito isn't getting wacked. Anyways...
I know that Johnathan's short film from the epilogue is a commentary on consumerism under Capitalism and how once consumers get something they want more and more no matter the quality, they just basically want more to satisfy the craving even if it's half-baked, low effort, etc. so the possible point of prolonging all of this is to fuel that, but like.
I am kind of tired of waiting now. Not because I want more, but because I want answers lmao. And I hate that we keep waiting and hoping, because I am the kind of person who can get hyper-fixated on things when I am interested, and yes it is a personal problem, but I would like for it to stop being a thing I go to check for online, find more theories, wait some more. Like, I love the theorizing part and have had so much fun chatting with everyone online about it, but I need it to hurry now. I just want to get to the part that unveils the answers slowly by each episode and then we all get so excited and have ANSWERS to discuss together and can finally find that sense of relief or shock of like "omgggg I didn't see this coming but I see how it got here", or "oooooh I totally got this right", etc.
Randomly thinking about the other "80%" of the story they wanted to tell in The First Shadow that they had to cut because it spoiled too much of S5 and [bleep]. Will we ever know what that info in the 80% was about?
Was that why the pro-shot, or at least part of it, was filmed in February, literally after S5 already aired? Will the pro shot reveal what actually happened? I just want answers lol
List of all of the "small" weird/off things about S5 Episode 1:
This post was inspired by a post that @thebyleritgotme recently made which I will link to in this list as well!
Now before I start, this is a list of the "small and inconsequential" things that don't make sense, and really aren't so small when you think about it, but there are so many weird and wrong things happening that you may miss them if you don't dwindle on any of them for longer than a second. I will not be including obvious things like the dial changing color, or like, why Hawkins isn't in an apocalyptic state anymore lol. Also, this list is probably not in chronological order, sorry about that. With that said, let the list commence!
Big breakfast. This is a small thing, some may ignore at first or altogether. So, Hawkins has been under lockdown for 1.5 years. Those allowed in and out of Hawkins is restricted to Military personnel and whoever they approve. Meaning, getting food supplies is going to probably not be as good as you'd hope. Murray literally had to sneak around to get Gatorade and Peanut Butter Boppers, the "good stuff". So, it begs the question, how does the Wheeler family have access to unlimited breakfast supplies? They have entire feasts every morning under a Military quarantine lockdown? Bacon, eggs, sausage, pancakes, fruit, orange juice, full pots of coffee. How did they get access to this huge selection of delicious perishables?
2. Hawkins Residents. So, Hawkins has been under lockdown for 1.5 years, no one can leave or get in unless given access. Yet there are no riots or unhappy residents that are stuck there? Mind you, they were told the gates opening was just a huge earthquake and that's why Hawkins was under lockdown. So? It's been over a year. Why do none of the other residents question why they can't leave yet to go to college, visit loved ones, go on vacation, etc? Interesting.
3. The Bullies. I have made 2 separate posts explaining this already in extensive detail here and here, but in short, Chance and Andy shouldn't be students at Hawkins High anymore, (even if they got held back a year due to the "earthquake" because it has been almost 2 years already), and yet they are seen also graduating with them in 1989 when they were originally class of 1986.
4. The Hallway Echo. This was the post I mentioned that inspired me to make this list! But yeah, that second echo? First off, doesn't really make sense for a school hallway, even an empty one. But also, I wanted to add, that the Foley choice for this scene when we take the echo into consideration, is interesting. Because if that echo truly was there in that hallway, surely, the door that closed shut with a heavy thud would have an echo as well, to some extent, would it not? It would not have such a dry and compact sound when closing. Even Mike's footsteps as he heavily walks down the hall with a purpose feel a bit off-sounding considering his voice carried so far out in the space. Every other sound besides when he yells "Holly" is super dry and controlled.
5. Mirroring in Costumes. There have been multiple posts (I think) on this, but two of the main pointed out things are specifically on Mike/Will. Swapped watches that are usually on their opposite wrists in every other season, and then this post explains how Mike is randomly left-handed when holding his backpack even though he seems to usually hold it right-handed.
6. Finding Jane. If the Military/lab wanted to find Jane, they would have eventually checked the junkyard, no? They have been found there before from other "bad guys" looking for them, so her training there in broad daylight doesn't seem to make much sense.
7. The Radio Tower Ladder. They climb that radio tower without any netting or wiring to protect them in both Hawkins and the UD, and not one single injury or casualty. Right
8. The Curious Case of the UD Military Base. If the Military is literally working in the Upside Down (they literally have an entire base with a greenhouse in the UD) then why does it seem like no monsters ever try to infiltrate and attack them? All they have are Military equipment and a barely tall enough metal fence to protect it from interdimensional creatures. An not only that, but they are cutting open, dissecting, and essentially torturing what seems to be living or at least breathing parts of the UD. If it is all connected to the hivemind, would this not alert Vecna and the monsters??
9. The Mystery "Imaginary Friend". They know Vecna/Henry can invade your mind, that is literally his most heavily used power of choice to kill people throughout all of S4. None of them, for a second think that her "imaginary friend" that she sees at school and talks to is possibly real until Karen literally writes out " H E N R Y" out on paper to them like 2 episodes later!! Okay.
9. Dustin's Cemetery Fight. This is technically the first episode but it extends into the whole season. The time that any character takes the most damage out of the party (not including Kali or Hopper obv) is Dustin. When he gets beat up by high school jocks. Not the most powerful "wizard" or the 500 foot tall interdimensional spider-like creature. Cool
10. Holly's Age Being Discussed. This I am including some pictures to explain. Karen and Ted have a fight because they were discussing Holly having an imaginary friend, and Ted doesn't know Holly's age.
But the thing is, neither do the writers, apparently. Because in S1, they tell us that Holly is only 3 years old.
So if she is 3 in 1983, that would make her only 7 in 1987, which is when S5 is taking place. Yet, in the released S5 scripts, Holly's age is revealed to be 10 years old. (I don't have a link but you can find the photo under the conformitygate tag if you scroll enough lol, sorry).
11. Will Hits His Head. Will taps into the demo-vision through the hivemind and then collapses and smacks his head on concrete, and then he is fine.
Okay that is my list of things I noticed or that were brought to my attention. Let me know if you have any others that are "smaller things" like this!
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So I saw this reply to a tweet from kseza on twitter (i didn't show user's name for privacy reasons just in case).
But they mention how odd it is the way that they cut from one scene of El to the next in episode two after she enters the gate at the Wheeler's home, so I decided to do a side-by-side fade transition edit to show what what they meant.
These are scenes that are "back-to-back" of El, meaning the next time we see her in a scene after the other one she is in. And I do agree, that it is a bit of an odd transition because we never see her try to enter her mind void, she is just introduced into the next scene already being in it, even though it's showing us when she had just followed Holly into the UD. So it makes you wonder how she had time to do that, and exactly how powerful is she now? Because she just went in and out of it like a Raven Baxter psychic vision. Her process to enter her void seems to be no longer a thing.
And idk, but this feels very Nina Project-esque to me. Like how she would hop from one memory to the next in it. Something about how this is done feels off (obviously as does a lot of S5 in general).
The way that this line in Tales from 85 doesn't make any sense if it was implying that the "I... I" was him not being able to say "I love you". Because news flash to the writers of Tales: this storyline didn't even happen yet!!!
Tales is set in the middle of January 1985, only a few weeks after the snowball dance. Season 3 is set almost 6 months later, so how does El "know" if she didn't hear him say anything yet??
Because from what we in S3, she was surprised to hear him say it, so she clearly didn't know.
I genuinely do not think that any of Tales from 85 is real. I think it is exactly what the title says: a tale. a fictitious story.
I am going back to the twitter account situation, idc. Why has the writers' account not said a single thing since 2023 of December? And please don't say the writers' strike, because they were actively tweeting during the writers' strike and making jokes about it and tweeted other stuff after a deal was made too!!!
The last actual tweet I think they made was in December for like the backstage of the play. Then they did some retweets when reviews for the TSF play came in late December, and then they just stopped. This is very freaking strange, in my opinion.
How do you not want to promote and talk to fans of the show you worked on for almost 10 years for the very last season of the show ever? And Kate Trefry stating in the play doc "I fucking delivered on season five, yeah I fucking delivered." Yet they didn't seem very excited or proud after it released.