#h13

Part 1

⚠️ Attention: I'm describing two very specific cases of women with Libra Lilith who cheated, and that DOES NOT mean that every woman with that or any other placement mentioned in this post are cheaters.

Remember the previous Lilith obs post? The two Virgo Lilith guys who one was cheated on and the other one was the second guy in another relationship? Well, both girls involved had Libra Lilith.

The ‘mean’ girl of my class who cheated on her bf (as stated before) and had a very toxic relationship with him, has Lilith conjunct Venus in her natal chart.

They had her Lilith opposing his Saturn at 1°, maybe she found him restricting or controlling. His Saturn was also opposing her Venus at 0°, she could have felt he couldn't love her the way she wanted, that he was cold or didn't show enough appreciation for her.

She has her Lilith in a Leo degree, so it's very possible she violated societal norms -cheated- in order to get what she wanted (Lilith), which was attention and appreciation (Leo).

About the other girl who cheated on her bf with the Virgo Lilith guy: she has her Libra Lilith sextile his Venus and Mars at 1°. She found him attractive and wanted to have something casual with him, that's all. He played hard to get but ended up falling harder than she did.

It's interesting that she had Lilith in a Capricorn degree (22°) because she proposed the affair almost as if she was offering a work deal. Very “I want this, you have it. I'll give you this in exchange. We'll both get what we want and be satisfied.” She also said very clearly that she only wanted something casual, but he really thought she would leave her bf for him and got offended when she broke up their relationship.

Plus, I'd like to add that when they broke up, our classmates, who were very well aware of their relationship, chose his side and treated her like an evil and heartless person not because she cheated but because she broke up with and hurt the second guy's feelings… Like especially his girl friends really villainized her (Lilith topic) even when they had cheered on their affair while being aware she had a bf.

Also, I think it's worth noting that before they started their affair, he really had played hard to get by jokingly putting her down. He acted as if he had her around his finger, simping for him like a lovesick girl when she actually had a pretty cool head and just knew what she wanted and communicated it without filters.

He might have loved feeling more powerful (Mars) than her (Lilith). He even might have felt that she loved him more than he loved her (Venus/Lilith), and he resented her when he realized she had always been in control, he had always been dancing on her hand. He must have felt humiliated, knowing how men are.

Checking more on their synastry, he has Chiron square her Fama asteroid (408). This might mean he will alway remember her as someone who hurt him.

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Can someone please enlighten me, what’s Lilith h21 in terms of interpretation? Does anyone use it when looking at charts and is it obvious how it shows up differently from the other Liliths?

Hello! It depends honestly on what you’re looking at in your chart. Each Lilith has a different meaning. Each Lilith encompasses a certain meaning. 

H13 or “True Black Moon Lilith” (Osculating) and H21 or “Mean Black Moon Lilith”: These typically deal with the sexual empowerment traits of Lilith. It also deals with temptation, vengeance, things that are forbidden, seduction, psychedelic drugs, destruction, glamour, charisma, hypnotism, altered state, radical femininity, and obsession. This Lilith deals with our obsessions and our addictions. It also deals with our subconscious and our sexual energy. As well as our wants and needs. H21 is the most commonly used Lilith. 

Asteroid Lilith or 1181: This Lilith is the only tangible celestial object, and people typically have an easier time connecting to this one. This asteroid deals with refusal, non-compromise, repressed anger, personal independence, fight or flight, involvement in freedom movements, and fleeing one’s oppressor. 

H58 or Dark Moon Lilith: This Lilith deals with internal conflict, the need to meet our demons, our shadow selves, trauma, fantasies of rage and retaliation, working through feelings of shame, and distorted thinking. It’s associated with our darkest and lowest vibrations and how we act during our worst times.