GoT Afterthoughts ep. 08x01 âWinterfellâ(Part 3)
Annnnd Iâm back again! So where were we? Oh yes, back in Cerseiâs boudoir...
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The first thing I noticed is Cersei is drinking wine again. Iâm still not 100% sure she was pregnant to begin with, guys. They were very secretive and ambiguous about the whole thing if you think back on it â and those leaks about her miscarrying turned out to be a wash.
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Cersei is still salty about those damn elephants.
Same girl, saaaaame.
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Euron wants to know how he compares to her past lovers. She strokes his massive ego a bit until he brings up Jaimeâstill a tender wound, she warns him to tread lightly, then simultaneously insults and compliments him as he lays a possessive hand on her stomach and declares heâs going to put a prince in her belly. She promptly dismisses him.
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Whatâs striking here is that Cersei appears to be fighting off tears. Clearly, she didnât want to sleep with Euron, but did so to keep him loyal to her. Love her or hate her, itâs sad to see her at such a desperate and low point where sheâs basically whoring herself to keep an ally. Especially when Euron is such a wildcard, and now that he basically got exactly what he wantedâwhoâs to say heâll stick around?
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But, if you believe in political!jon, this is quite the parallel to Jon essentially doing the same to hold onto a wildcard ally in Dany.
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Iâm still not sold on a Cersei pregnancy/miscarriage guys...
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While Euron is distracted, Theon and what remains of the Iron Born loyal to them, free Yara. She promptly headbutts him for leaving her ass, then helps him up. Now theyâre even. 10/10 realistic sibling behavior. lol
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Yara wants to head back to the Iron Islands, but senses Theonâs need to make amends to the Starks. She sends him to Winterfell with her blessing. I truly love these two as a strong family unit!! Gahhhhhh
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We drop back into Winterfell where Lord Royce greets Alys Karstark and her people. And why this is necessary got me like đ. Almost as much as why Alys was cast as a tall, red-headed girl... perhaps to fake a death scene of another important tall red-headed girl with the battle of Winterfell right around the corner?
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Davos schools Tyrion and Varys on Northern stubbornness and loyalty. Then he proposes a marriage alliance between Jon and Dany if the world should survive. And fucken gag me, Dadvos... I expected better of you! lol I believe the words he uses are âa just woman and an honorable man.â And Iâm sorry, itâs just hard for me to reconcile this statement with the same Davos who was extremely skeptical of the things Missandei was saying about Dany last season. Or the same Davos who looked extremely uncomfortable with Danyâs tantrum on the beach when she accused her hand Tyrion, of not wanting to murder his family... but, I digress.
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We end this scene on Varysâ ominous words, sure to leave a bitter taste in your mouth: NOTHING LASTS. Drop those truth bombs, Varys.
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A marriage alliance between a truly just woman and an honorable man is probably still in the cards... just sayinâ.
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We drop down from the battlements where Dany and Jon are strolling amongst the battle preparations. Of all the things they could be talking about: the wall falling, the issue of food shortages, etc. Dany brings up Sansa, of course. (no love triangle brewing here folks, none at all).
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Dany licks her lips and looks around coyly, as if annoyed. âYour sister doesnât like me.â â well neither did Bran really, or any of the northern lords, but itâs only Sansaâs name on Danyâs tongueâhow curious. (Not really).
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Jonâs eyes shift nervously before he turns to face her and sighs (because Iâm telling you, he knew this was coming and itâs no coincidence that heâs kept his mouth shut and stayed out of the conflict). âShe doesnât know you.â Truth. He attempts a joke at how Sansa didnât like him much either when they were growing up, but Dany isnât amused.
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âShe doesnât have to be my friend, but I am her queen. If she canât respect meâŚâ Dany leaves the threat and itâs implications hang in the air between them, her eyes narrowing dangerously.
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Dark!dany is here, yâall.
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Iâm sure Dany stans and the jonerii are twisting themselves into pretzels to explain this away.
I mean, itâs not like Emilia herself didnât warn us all that her character would be doing some âweird shitâ and weâd know when we saw it...
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But Jonâs face here is strikingly similar to these various scenes...
And...
And...
Same. Ass. Energy. You do the math friends, but heâs certainly not looking upon her lovingly.
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Luckily for Sansa and Jon, the Dothraki steal Danyâs attention to inform her of the livestock count of the dragonsâ current dinner menu: 18 goats and 11 sheep. Dany looks alarmedâthe dragons are barely eating. Barely. Do you have any idea how many people that amount of livestock could feed?
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Thatâs why itâs really hard for me to not be critical of Danyâs character here. I realize she loves her dragons and they are her âchildrenâ, but in this moment she shows more empathy for the dragons lack of food (who truly can fly off and hunt) than that of the actual people who quite possibly could starveâand was irritated with Sansa for bringing it up.
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And I will show this fucken gif as many times as I want because itâs so important!!
Food is so important. Donât let the antis try and tell you otherwise.
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Jon and Dany go to check on the dragons, and we have the scene we were treated to from the early released stills.
Jon asks whatâs wrong with the dragons and Dany replies âthey donât like the North.â â and there is definitely a double meaning behind her words, as I donât think Dany much likes the North, either. She climbs atop Drogon while Rhaegal expresses a curious interest in Jon.
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âGo on.â Dany encourages Jon. Not the brightest move to give your bf of 10 minutes the keys to one of your WMDâs, and especially since there are surely much more important things to be done since being made aware that the wall is down and your other child is now a flying ice demon, but hey, joy ride time you crazy Targ kids!
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So this must be the comedic scene the Dâs talked about. I know everyone had mixed feelings about Jon riding a dragon, but I must say, I rather enjoyed this sceneâexcept for the music, which for awhile seemed like a very jarring variation of the Truth theme. The music is very important in this show, so Iâll be curious to know when this pops up again, and where. Perhaps a dragon face off in another dance of dragons? Hmmm?
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Drogon takes the lead, and Dany seems rather amused at scaring the pants off of Jon when she nose dives Drogon into a ravine and Rhaegal follows. Oh, but whatâs this? Jon has realized he can control Rhaegal on his own, and brings the dragon in for a landing. Danyâa bit surprised at thisâfollows suit. Girl, you should be worried.
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But sheâs not, of courseâat least not for long, because sheâs busy being âtwitterpatedâ aâla a typical Disney flick, at the impressive place Jon chose to landâright beside an amazing waterfall. Props to loverboy, this is 10/10 primo scenery on the romance scale.
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I would like to take a moment here to be petty af and point out that it is Daenerys that says the âwe could stay here a thousand yearsâ lineânot Jon. And who could forget his super-romantic and witty come-back; complete in his Northern drawl: âweâd be pretty old.â
and Danyâs expression says everything! lol This from Mr. âIâd like to see you in a silk dress so I can tear it off youâ. Pretty weak, Jon. Youâre losing romance points for that!
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Okay, but all joking aside, because I know a lot of my fellow Jonsas were probably a little put off by this scene; letâs break it down. After Jonâs crappy comeback, Dany moves closer to him, and he says something kind of flirtatious and sweet: âItâs cold up here for a southern girl.â
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This is actually a very Jon-like thing to say, and I could even see this kind of banter between him and Ygritte. Itâs also a very âequalâ thing to sayâhere, where no one is around, and formalities arenât necessary. After all, had he said, âitâs cold up here for a southern queen,â it wouldnât have had the same punch, now would it?
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However, Dany has no interest in being Jonâs equal â even here, alone, her first instinct is to remind Jon sheâs the queen: âthen keep your queen warmâ â not, âthen this northern boy better keep her warmâ, or âthen keep your southern girl warm.â Perhaps Iâm reading too much into it, but thatâs what hopped out at me.
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Now the kiss. Sigh. Yes, Iâm not gonna lie, it definitely looks like Jonâs into it. But my darling Jonsas, before youâre ready to throw Jon under the bus (as I imagine quite a few of you did while I took an entire week to write up my recap) the parent reveal hasnât happened yet! Simmer down and find your zen, Jon is not a northern fool!
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And for you antis lurking around: NO. This doesnât negate political!jon. Not even a little bit. If political!jon is true, then heâs doing exactly what he committed to doâkeeping Dany happy and keeping her North. The unfortunate trade-off is, sheâs now their queen.
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But what do we have here? Drogon seems a little restless, and Jon immediately breaks the kiss, and casts nervous eyes in the dragons direction. (Gods yes, this is so romantic). Dany laughs it off and tells Jon not to be afraid, pulling him back into the kiss. But while sheâs all oblivious and lost in the kiss, Jon leans her body sideways and opens his eyes to eyeball Drogon, whoâs giving him a look like âbitch, I know who you are, and I know what youâre doing. Watch your back.â
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Is it a wonder why every single Jonerys love scene has been interrupted by weirdness? Bloody birth flashbacks, creepy brother voice-overs, no first kiss, growling stink-eyed Drogon... itâs almost like theyâre trying to tell us that this isnât really a romance.
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And this is where I leave you, for now. The last part will follow shortly, and NO, I wonât break my future recaps into parts. I only did it this way because myself and half my house are sick.

















