#gagnarok

Correcte me if I'm wrong, but I assume that Thor does not know when exactly Loki took Odin's place.

So, may we assume that Thor believes it to only to happen after Odin (who, surprise, is not Odin) has shown some descend parenting? I would really like if it this moment was adressed in the movies, but as far as I know it isn't.

Like, think of it. Thor in starting to connect with his father. Then is being gone on some long ass journey. And when he comes back Odin is missing or, for all he knows, might even be dead. How can he possibly know?

And there's also Loki whom he believed dead.

Imagine what a following conversation might have looked like. Thor's thoughts are now being halfed. One part of his brain is super happy that his brother is seemingly safe and sound, while the other is furious for the lose of his dad. What would his reaction be when (if?) finds out that his actual father never told his those words at the end of TDW?

The Ragnarok reboot took a male character who was strong and confident but also genuine, honest, and always open with his emotions then turned him into an insecure, posturing, man-baby who cannot process complicated feelings and makes snippy passive-aggressive jabs at anything that threatens his ego.

But it's played as a joke so we're supposed to find it adorable.

And fandom somehow convinced itself this was incredibly woke and the most feminist thing ever.

Nothing will ever take the sting away from Ragnarok ruining this franchise, but seeing this fucking helps. A lot. 

Does anyone remember those Ragnarok interviews where Hemsworth and Waititi were talking shit about Loki? I know there was this whole thing were Hemsworth was jealous of all the attention Loki got so it was a reason Loki was basically written out of the Thor movies.

Wasted potential is definitely the main consensus. In Gagnarok she was a one dimensional Big Bad whose only traits seem to be snarky and violent, which wouldn't be terrible for a standalone popcorn comedy, but is incredibly stupid and out of place within the emotionally nuanced Thor franchise

It's such a disappointment we never got to see anything beyond her capacity to do harm. Why doesn't she give half a damn about her siblings? Why's she so helbent on conquering the universe? Where has she even BEEN these past 1000+ years???

Answering that last question can spin her entire character in wildly different directions. If Odin trapped her in a pocket dimension where she basically slept until her release, then her canon attitude makes some sense. If she's been in Hel the entire time, either chilling with the dead or ruling the realm like in mythos proper, then why isn't she giving more of a fuck about Thanos trying to slaughter half the universe (be it because his idiotic plan is going to overflow her realm or perhaps a grimdark take would have her joining him for the lolz)? If she's been in a dimensional cage with one way glass so she can see life continue without her, why isn't she more interested in being around people, specifically her brothers, ESPECIALLY the stolen war child who was also abused and tossed out by the absolute eggplant that is Odin?

And another thing: why is her aesthetic literally Loki without any gold? Shouldn't that visual parallel have, yknow, meant something??? At this point I'm just mad that Cate Blanchett wasn't cast as Lady Loki because that would've honestly been perfect and she would've pulled it off SO GOOD

To me, the most heinous crime is pardoning Odin's bullshit simply because Hela was "worse" and "went too far." Like, babe, she learned it from somewhere and I highly doubt it was Frigga (if Frigga even is her mother). It's like giving Stalin a pass because Hitler had a higher body count; it's stupid as fuck and they both deserve to be held accountable for their actions

All in all, Hela in Gagnarok is a fun yet disappointing mess. I think it's a shame we never get to see any side of her that isn't overcompetent warmonger. She should've been able to bond with her brothers, especially Loki, as she pulled the wool from Thor’s eyes completely in regards to their father, helping complete his arc of finding his own path rather than blindly following Odin's example. She would've been an excellent way to explore Asgard, both its militant culture and how its influence molded the realms to Bor and Odin's wills. She should've been allowed to grieve and heal and grow past Odin's treatment and expectations of her to find a place with the family she was denied

It's not the fact that it was changed which makes it insulting (although, it is also a problem because he signed on to make a sequel and someone at Marvel should really give one single fuck about narrative integrity), it's the fact that he extremely intentionally mocks the original tone and the original story. And he mocks the very idea of caring about it or taking any of these characters seriously.

The most contemptuous and vitriolic 'humour' and humiliation is aimed at a specific part of the audience and it is not subtle.

I'm not interested in giving him the benefit of the doubt because I already know he doesn't deserve it. He was very open about what he was doing and his opinions in interviews, this isn't a question of people being over sensitive. You have to ignore his own words to pretend he wasn't being completely deliberate in shitting on the franchise and its fans. He explained why he threw continuity in the garbage and wanted to knock Loki down a peg. I'm not ascribing any motives to him he hasn't explicitly expressed.

Hemsworth certainly does have his limitations as an actor, but he was absolutely fine in the original film. He was fine in TDW. He's not remotely in the same league as many of his co-stars but he doesn't embarrass himself. It's not that he couldn't do it, it's that he didn't want to. Probably in large part because it was difficult work for him, yet he was being effortlessly overshadowed by a much better actor playing a more dynamic character who engendered far more interest from fans and critics. Switching their backstories and trying to paint Loki as a bully and Thor as an innocent victim has absolutely nothing to do with playing to CH's strengths or with an irreverent tone. Mocking and attacking the audience for sympathising with the 'wrong' character is not good-natured fun. Erasing Thor's original arc to make him a big dumb asshole who gets to do whatever he wants and be celebrated for it is not doing a service to the character. All of that is exclusively about popularity and ego.