#flowerastro

“I know the impact and the reach it has all over the world,” he says, “but I just keep my head down—I’m not really interested in those things. I really don’t care if I have 15 million followers or 50. People, they post about their holidays—‘Look at me here, look at me there.’ I’m like, You don’t need to know where I am. Honestly, I think it’s like…[preserving a sense of] innocence, if you know what I mean? I just want time with my family, my friends, and to live a life without too much of a camera or a phone. What I care about is that I’m winning on the track and winning in life—privately.”

https://www.vogue.com/article/cruising-into-the-monaco-grand-prix-with-max-verstappen

I'm not a fan of Max, and of course I despise the person MG is: elitist, fake, without talent or any interesting qualities besides being a nepo baby and a kept woman, only recognized for being someone's partner...

But everything has already been said about her.

I just came to say some interesting things I've noticed about Max's astrological chart.

Personally, I don't like him much. I think he's a man who is very aware of his family situation, but deliberately ignores it. And I think part of that is also because he suffered abuse and neglect as a child. Someone like that clearly normalized violence and toxicity and translated it into survival. Kelly is one of many abusers that the guy unfortunately had in his life. There's no couple that makes me cringe and feel more disgusted than them. I don't care if that offends anyone. Abusers come in any gender, and women are no exception.

To me, Max is a lost man, disconnected from his true desires in life. He's not a bad person, but he's a hypocrite. He's incredibly talented, but that doesn't compensate for the emotional misery he surely lives with inside. It doesn't take much to notice, just discernment.

Returning to the astrological aspect, I think his birth chart explains very well why he seems to be stuck in a perpetual loop, unable to break free from the toxic relationship with that woman. And why he doesn't seem to have a harmonious family life.

First of all, Max has the Sun in Libra in the 10th house. It's often said that the Sun is in its fall in Libra because it's contrary to its nature (which is exalted in Aries, the "I am," the affirmation), and in Libra it becomes accommodating towards others, diplomatic, not confrontational. Adding the 10th house, it falls in the realm of profession, status, and vocation. This means that Max's most authentic image is that of a people-pleaser, and I know that doesn't quite fit with his public image, which has always been characterized by problems with how he's perceived. But trying to please is also part of his natural response, a kind of performance, a middle ground (Libra) between who he truly is, what he hides, and not tarnishing his external image too much. So, personally, I think MG's media spectacles aren't isolated incidents. Max accompanies them, consciously or unconsciously, because for him, the performance is more convenient than facing the reality of what he's really experiencing behind the scenes.

Now comes what I believe are the three most important and weighty astrological positions in his birth chart (everything is weighty, really):

• Saturn (retrograde) in Aries in the 4th house

• Mars and Pluto in Sagittarius in the 12th house

His Saturn is directly in the house of family and roots. It speaks of boundaries and unresolved karmic situations. This speaks directly to Jos, the abuse he suffered as a child. It doesn't matter if it helped him become the great athlete he is today; a child's mind doesn't process it that way. The neglect almost certainly caused trauma, and I know it's not very well-received to talk about this, but I'll just say that subconsciously, Max didn't know how to establish himself in his home, he didn't know how to grasp the concept of putting down roots. There's a deep fear of repeating his father's actions and the harm he inflicted. That's why his emotional escape is, and always will be, work. Fatherhood terrifies him. It may seem like he lives with his daughter and that's enough, but that's not enough. Fatherhood (and motherhood) is about being there for the child as much as possible. I'm sorry, but if you decided to bring a child into the world, it's your responsibility 100% of the time. Nannies should be a help when you're truly tired, not the person who raises your child. In that sense, Max and MG are typical rich people who think their money excuses them from responsibility. I bet they don't even want to change a diaper, but showing off their child on social media is something they can do. Simply disgusting.

But Max's Saturn placement indicates that without proper therapy or the necessary deep introspection, it's a lie that he fully enjoys fatherhood. Not because he doesn't love his daughter, but because deep down there's conflict stemming from his childhood. There's no assertive sense of self. As if he couldn't make his own decisions regarding this crucial aspect of his life.

Now, Mars and Pluto in the 12th house only reinforce this passive attitude of Max's. Mars is the planet of action, and Pluto of transformation. Both fall in the 12th house, the house of the unconscious. Max's capacity for action and genuine change is deeply ingrained in his psyche. These two planets rule Scorpio, a sign linked to the processes of death and rebirth. This makes me think that's why Max is the pilot he is on the runway—where else but on the runway is one on the edge of death? But upon returning home (Saturn in the 4th house), Max's Mars and Pluto completely shut down. There's no mental space for taking action, like separating from that toxic relationship, nor any initiative to change and seek a better life, a more balanced partner, and a healthier family circle with clear boundaries.

It's not that Max doesn't know what's wrong; it's that he simply doesn't have the mental or emotional space to cope with what a complete life change would entail.

That, broadly speaking, is what I personally see in Max. You may or may not believe it; astrology isn't absolute truth, but it's a map that can help better understand a person's internal processes. I also want to mention that the Moon and Mercury are in Virgo. Max doesn't feel emotions; he analyzes and compartmentalizes them. He's not incapable of feeling, but he also doesn't allow himself to experience emotions fully. His Venus is in Scorpio, which gives him a very strong intensity, but if he doesn't reflect, he very easily falls into emotional excess and toxicity. MG also shares that Venus with him, which explains why the relationship can be so toxic and intense, but not well-founded.

Now that I think about it, Saturn in the 4th house and Mars and Pluto in the 12th house suggest a fear of real commitment. And I'm not just talking about getting married or having children—anyone can do that—but about an unconscious fear, born from the dysfunctional dynamics of his primary family.

Anyway, this has gone on too long. I could show Max's full birth chart if anyone's interested. I enjoy astrology as a hobby; everyone has their obsession! 😁

Max is in his Saturn Return (the first year of it) this year and it's well known that SR's are *brutal.* They tend to be one of the hardest periods of a person's life, because it's the time where the universe kind of says "okay you need to really make some decisions about your life and your future, and you need to show you've *learned* important lessons from your last three decades on earth."

To put it another way, it's a bit like if you have a bedroom with a closet, and it appears clean and well organised on the outside, but the closet is full of clothes and mess. Eventually you'll have to deal with the mess in the closet, because you can't keep just throwing things in there and expecting it to not topple over and the like.

When I saw what happened yesterday my first thought was this is potentially the SR at play already. Max uses work (f1, other racing) as a way to escape his home life. At the very least he gets away from home by doing so. His work is now becoming a pressure point. He can't escape his home life into the happiness of work when things aren't going well. He has to *deal* with it (his SR as has been repeated before is in his fourth house of the home/family/tradition/roots)

Of course, if he chooses to ignore what Saturn is trying to bonk him over the head with, he'll only continually face more and more obstacles and problems. His life *will* be significantly harder.

Sorry for the long interjection! I just wanted to add my pov as someone who's dabbled in astrology on occasion

I probably didn’t explain myself clearly, my fault. In a long-tireeeeeeed-term relationship, when one person makes a request and the other (that is usually in charge) disagrees, it’s common to bring up anything and everything to justify or criticize the other person’s decision. Whether he cares if Mini is visible or not — that’s kind of a pointless argument, because Mini is not his child and is already all over the internet. What I’m trying to say is something else: when he asks for a certain level of privacy, the response he probably gets is something like, ‘Well, you didn’t seem to care about privacy when you let Mini into your streams and everyone commented on how cute you two were.’ So it’s more of a subtle kind of reproach. ( you take advantage from my decisions, but you decide that i can’t) Do you get what I mean? So, to avoid being nagged or guilt-tripped — because that’s how men more or less always think — he just reacts like that.

I have to have hope, yknow? I’ve invested so much into revealing Kelly for who she is and I don’t want that to be for nothing.//

Flower, and you rightly have.

I dont’have hope, I’m sure it will happen, but I think things will unfold slowly. At 28 and 38 with a newborn, you don’t just break up a family overnight. Breakups happen like drops of water slowly carving out a groove that becomes impossible to fill. Then it arrives even the explosion, in the meantime, it’s hell. What’s happening now, is probably another step of the hell. From next february his natal chart will face the perfect storm, at first disillusion will step in with Saturn- hand in hand with Neptune- which will come back in his same natal place, in 4th House, then from July 2027 Uranus conjunct Juno in his 7th House will do the rest, but it will probably be already too late, and this second transit will bring a new girlfriend or a new team, or both.

Astro student 💫

Thank you, Astro student anon

From what I can tell with FS, it’ll likely be a non issue as long as they aren’t forced in the stepparent role too quickly//

I doubt FS would be the kind of person who would have a problem with Max having a child - the bigger problem would probably be whatever their custody arrangement is and how MG plans to impose on their lives. We know how vindictive MG is and she will weaponize L against Max and find some issue against FS (probably throw a tantrum and not want FS around L or something like that). She already weaponizes P against Daniil and spreads lies against him so her minions continue to harass him. MG will find some way to try and punish Max for moving on with someone else, because how dare he be happy with anyone else and not miserable by staying with her 🙄

In any case, when it comes to K, I think I've said this before, but we won't be able to know what "phase" she's going through per say because we don't have a birth time. With no birth time, there is no way to know her Rising sign or what Houses her placements fall into. Guessing her Rising is incredibly advanced and not something I feel comfortable doing with any authority because it's outside my wheelhouse. It's one thing to know she has a Scorpio Venus for example, but if we don't know the House, we can't see *where* it's expressing itself which is going to lead to some question marks. If she's going through her Venus Return Transit, we can't know what aspect of her life that's coming out in with no house.

That being said I think regarding K and Max's synastry, we've discussed that a bit before as well? They have some okay aspects but they have a lot of fundamental differences that don't work and hard aspects. Just from observation as well I'd venture to say K has brought out the worst traits of her signs/planets, rather than the best ones lol

But if there's anything super specific you want to know, you can ask and I'll see if I can answer. P.S. K's "astrology" reposts are hilarious. Most of them are completely inaccurate and such BS you can tell she knows nothing and only merely wants the astrology to tell her what she wants to hear. It's the same as with her fans who do tarot readings. It's truly embarrassing to the discipline of astrology.

-astro anon

We have discussed it, yeah. And I've also brought up my theory that Kelly is a Leo rising (Which makes for some... VERY awkward placements between her and me if I'm right 😂)