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@corezi youre conveniently forgetting that ben was hardly irredeemable considering he had not done anything wrong at that point…you cant admit that luke fucked up or what?

the very first thing he does after waking up is murder most of Luke’s completely innocent students. it would make sense to go after Luke personally, I wouldn’t blame him, but no - he takes it out on other apprentices.

oh, Luke fucked up that night, I never said he didn’t? but in no way he started Ben’s spiral into the Dark Side. that was already inside him and was terrifying if Luke’s first instinct is to reach for a weapon, not to “redeem” as he would normally try, but to “stop”. 

At the moment it seems that is the case. After Dany saved the day having to sacrifice her child in the process and then holding off her quest for the Iron Throne, swearing that she’ll help destroy the Night King with him, Jon believes that she’s truly the best chance for his people.The whole reason Jon wasn’t kneeling was because he was concerned for his people’s wellbeing (the flaky shits who are already turning their backs on him mind you) and now that he knows Dany will protect them, he accepts her. He never wanted to be king in the first place anyway.

“You all crowned me your king. I never wanted it. I never asked for it, but I accepted it because the North is my home. It’s part of me and I will never stop fighting for it, no matter the odds. But the odds are against us. None of you have seen the army of the dead. None of you. We can never hope to defeat them alone. We need allies– powerful allies. I know it’s a risk, but I have to take it.”

I know there are tons of people that don’t want Jon to concede to Daenerys and I definitely don’t want it to happen so easily either, but I can’t see how it would ruin or make Jon out of character if he does.

I love Jon, I really do. He’s my favourite character, but what he’s expecting out of Daenerys is completely unreasonable and onesided, and Tyrion pointed that out to Jon as well. He came to Dany and presented her with absolutely nothing but wanted her resources, her army, and her dragons for nothing in return– not even his allegiance. He wants an alliance but so far all he’s done is take without giving anything back. We as an audience KNOW what he’s doing is more important and will save the world, but Dany’s team isn’t aware of the threat. Until Jon gets Dany to believe him, I think him taking from her while giving nothing in return is a far more worse look for him than conceding and calling her his queen.

It’s funny, and once again it was Tyrion that pointed it out, but despite how much Jon says that politics and the wars among people don’t matter, he refused to just bend the knee. I’m not saying that he should have, just that if he really didn’t care about this kind of stuff he wouldn’t be so stubborn about it. When he talked about everyone acting like children he included himself as well which means he admits to behaving just as ‘childishly’ when it comes to stubbornness and arguing.

I don’t know if any of this is answering your question, I’m kind of just rambling at this point hahah I hope I made sense.

I think whether or not Jon pledges to Dany comes down to something far more simple than people realize.

Tyrion: If it doesn’t matter then you might as well kneel. Swear your allegiance to Queen Daenerys, help her to defeat my sister and together our armies will protect the North.

Jon: There’s no time for that. There’s no time for any of this. While we stand here debating–

Tyrion: It takes no time to bend the knee. Pledge your sword to her cause.

Jon: And why would I do that? [looks to Daenerys] I mean no offence Your Grace, but I don’t know you. As far as I can tell your claim to the throne rests entirely on your father’s name and my own father fought to ovethrow the Mad King. The Lords of the North place their trust in me to lead them and I will continue to do so as well as I can.

Jon gave his reasons for not bending the knee right here and it all comes down to him just not knowing Daenerys and wanting to make the best decisions for his people. I completely feel Jon here. If he bent the knee right then and there, he would not have a welcoming return when he would return back up north.

The first thing that came out of his mouth was that he didn’t know her. His reason for not bending the knee was that he didn’t know her and he didn’t want to make a mistake that would cost him the trust of his people. So what will happen over the next few episodes as Jon and Dany get to spend time together, understand each other, and get to know each other? Jon will most likely reassess his situation. 

I think if Jon ever does concede to Dany it won’t just be out of necessity, but because he genuinely trusts her. On the other end, Dany’s views will change a bit as well. They just have to prove themselves to one another first.

On a final note, it’s been very clear from the get-go that Jon and Dany are being treated as equals. I know people are scared that the power balance will tip one way or another, but I am confident that won’t be the case from what we’ve seen.

Enyo turned around, grimacing. “I smell something unpleasant in my temple,” she growled, wiping blood from her face. “What do you want, Shinto god?”