The dialogue intersects Lepecki’s thinking into the kinetic and affective materialities and mobilizations within contemporary necropolitics with Rogoff’s thinking through the ‘not yet’ as an attempt to wrestle thought from the imposition of reductive rhetorics of crisis. Drawing on their expansive research into choreography as a distribution of "authorial power "and advanced practice as a mode of knowledge production, their conversation starts to chart what it might mean to mobilize choreographic modes and models to register and enact difference. Recorded for Choreographic Devices 2022 at the ICA in London, Saturday 11 June 2022."