#elle interview

Definitely. Then once he gets on the plane, he tells Lawrence, “I guess you decided to join the winners.” That felt so unlike Nick. What did you think about that line in particular? 

“It’s truly any songwriter’s dream,” she says. She talks about the thrill of watching everyone from TikTok tweens to middle-aged ladies connect with the song. They’re responding to the fact that she’d bared her heart. “There’s something so powerful in being vulnerable and open, like, ‘This is my life, and I’m fucking sad.’ Or, ‘I’m insecure,’ ” she says. “That’s what makes songwriting so special.”