electronicsuperjoy said: How would you pose the conversation then? I honesty am not sure how to separate the two, as TTG isnāt even a reboot really, but an awkward continuation of the original
Thatās the thing, itās not. Beyond some simple characterization and basic stuff, like the villains, like, existing, it ignores almost all previous continuity. Itās not a continuation, itās more like a re-imagining, or an alternate universe. You can literally know nothing about the first series or ignore it all together, and it only slightly makes any episode of ttg confusing. Itās not meant purely for people who have watched the first series and never was (and one complaint people have made is that some people working on it actually HAVENāT seen the original series).Ā
It really has almost nothing to do with the first series past a few mostly superficial things, and in absolutely no way does the continuity of either show affect the other. Itās actually really, really, really annoying when people ALWAYS bring it back to the first show for two reasons:
1) It makes it like how it was a couple years ago when the show first started. Remember? Everyone was up in arms before the show even AIRED because they were still whining about how it was too silly, or too comical, had a different tone and art style, wahwahwah, itās all DIFFERENT. It had nothing to do with the quality of the show itself and everything to do with it just being not asĀ āseriousā as the old cartoon, and you knew it wasnāt because of the quality because episodes hadnāt even STARTED yet. Even after a few episodes came out, people were still criticizing it PURELY based on comparisons to the old series without even watching the show, or only watching one episode and deciding the goofy tone meant it was worthless. Which is stupid, because your old show is STILL THERE. You can just watch it again and this series in no way affects the old show. At least people who didnāt like Ben 10 Alien Force, Omniverse, etc., were complaining about something that actually changed the canon and DID have an affect on the series they previously loved. Some people claimed the original TT was cancelled and were bitter about TTG being brought āin place of itā but thatās not true, TT just ended. Six seasons is a pretty good lifetime for a kidsā cartoon. There was no behind the scenes mysterious cancellation, no oneās existence harmed the other. Complaints besides that were mostly superficial. Pretty much it was just that it wasnāt dark, or serious, or they didnāt like the jokes. Which is also bothersome because those are the exact complaints the comic fans had when the first cartoon came out.Ā āEveryoneās OOC, the art is bad, the jokes are bad, itās not serious enoughā- all comments said about both the first and second cartoon by old fans the series is no longer made for because theyāre not the kids. Who cares if Starfire is playing with kittens instead of fighting to save the world- itās supposed to be fun. Itās trying something different, and if it makes kids happy, whatās the problem? The stuff you prefer is still there, this doesnāt change any of that.
2) Itās ineffective and keeps us from moving forward. Constantly bringing it back to the first series not only makes you just sound like the people Iāve described above who only complain about the superficial differences and things just being different from what they want or liked as a kid, but ignores problems with the current series that are actually PROBLEMS. Not just superficial things, but having an episode basically saying itās okay to stalk girls, having sexist messages, having sexist characters that are never corrected on their behavior, being just plain mean-spirited, and Iāve even heard people complain about it being racist. THOSE are real issues, because theyāre more than a matter of taste, theyāre things we donāt want being taught to our kids. Even complaints about lazy writing or predictable jokes would be more legitimate than just comparing it to the old series. An adaptation is supposed to stand on its own. This isnāt a sequel, itās an adaptation, so it has to do that. If you said you donāt like it because itās characters are written in a way thatās sexist, that is a problem with the series. If you said you donāt like it because the old one wrote Robin better, that doesnāt matter as much. Yes, the old one was good, but does it matter here? How does it affect the stories HERE, how does it affect the messages in THIS show. Weāre not talking about the old show, weāre talking about the fact that this show has problems, this show needs to change, this show is being harmful. If all the criticisms are based purely on comparison, itās pretty much a derailment. Instead of the focus being on why the current show needs to change, itās turned to why the old show was so good, which does nothing to help the situation and is just a distraction. This show is still here, itās the one that needs attention, because itās the one thatās still running and can still be changed. Criticizing the new series by sayingĀ āitās not as good as the old oneā does NOTHING because itās like youāre sayingĀ āJust do it like the old thingā when this ISNāT the old thing. Itās not trying to be and never was. Itās not trying to be serious, or dark, or deep, or even have an over-arching story. To criticize something this different from the first series, you have to look at it by itself. By constantly pointing backward, people arenāt making good or accurate criticisms, making criticisms anyone on the show would ever listen to if they heard them, and is, by definition, not moving forward. We canāt just go back and get what we did have, we have to change what we do have. They have and are making a light, goofy, episodic comedy based around the Teen Titans. That is what they set out to do. Comparing it to the old one ignores the different intentions with each series, and carries the implication that people just donāt want to let TTG do its own thing. The problem is the way itās doing its own thing is bad for kids, and just sayingĀ ādo the old one againā does nothing.
I can see and understand why SOME discussions about TTG can or even should reference the old one. If they are comparing based on the fact that there was more care and effort put into the characters or the humor, that would be a legitimate criticism. If they feel like something a character did or said goes against a core aspect of a character in such a negative and irredeemable way that it canāt be ignored, I can see that (And this does not mean something like Raven being too happy or playing with pony dolls, this means something ACTUALLY PROBLEMATIC WITH THE CHARACTER). But these are basically never the comparisons being made, itās always the stuff I said in 1&2. And even if it was, the fact that EVERY discussion trying to talk about how a current running show (Which does have fans by the way. Fans who like it, like what itās trying to do, and want to see it done BETTER but are constantly ignored or drowned out by purists who love the old series) is problematic or even just needs better comedy writers gets turned back to a different series, itās just repetitive and unproductive.