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I'm going to be honest, c!Wilbur trying to maintain this image that c!Dream is a hero is very VERY similar to how c!Tommy tried to justify c!Dream's actions during his exile because he was his "friend"

And it makes sense too. He spent 13 years in full isolation, regardless of what Dream did to him in his life before, he still saved him from his personal hell. It makes sense for him to be grateful and inbedded to his "hero" for that reason.

It would also explain why he's so quick to excuse Dream's actions and villainize his own. Lmanberg? Mans clearly still cares about it, but it seems like he's trying to put down what it really was by the original "immoral" means it started upon. Yes, it started to "stick it to the man" but it became so much more then that. He cried over it. He worked hard as a president (sacrificing his own mental heath) to keep it thriving. That isn't a tool, but he would definetely feel less value to it if he didn't acknowledge what it became and instead use it's "immoral" foundation as its representation in his mind.

Tommy's exile? He was pissed. And yet- immediately afterwards he goes on about Dream being a hero. I don't know about you, but you dont just describe how you'd tear someone limb from limb with full intent and then immediately go, "they're a hero." It almost seems like hes trying to keep himself in that mentality. He could have clearly just told Phil "Dream's a hero" when they encountered as well but no, he didnt do that. Rather he went on about how he would have killed Dream because no one can hurt Tommy

It's clearly something that he is reminded of every now and then and isn't something he can just ignore. He feels a genuine sense of anger, yet that anger is directed at his "hero" so in his confusion on what he's supposed to think and feel, he constantly bounces back and forth on his views.

Tommy had said that Dream threatened everything he held dear. His friends, his possessions, etc. Dream has claimed before that he finds messing with Tommy amusing.

"Why couldnt you have just done it to me?"

"Because its fun."

Dream knows Tommy cares for the people around him. He knows that Tommy has made sacrifice over sacrifice for the safety of the server and the people he cares about. So the best way for him to get to Tommy, is to attack those people. He was the one who tactically involved them in their strife, not only having their perceptions of Tommy negatively changed because "Tommy causes problems," but also the fact that they are suffering is what makes Tommy want to continue fighting. To protect them.

Who is to say Dream wont try to start another exile type arc? He's not done messing with Tommy in the slightest and he intends to make his life so much worse.

Wilbur is clearly still furious over the exile. I don't know about you, but it seems very weird for someone to describe wanting to tear a person apart limb from limb and then go "oh but hes a hero." Doesn't seem like he holds Dream in that respectful and high regard he so claims he does.

Dont forget the fact that he mentioned it twice. The first time on the roof, the second time with Phil, claiming "No one can hurt Tommy." You would think that if it wasnt that big of a deal to him anymore that he would stop putting emphasis on the fact that Dream hurt Tommy, almost as if hes still angry over it

Not only that but he genuinely seemed annoyed/ pissed off with the fact that Tommy was thrown under the bus while Ranboo got out of being exiled as well

Tommy is probably one of Wilbur's biggest weaknesses

- "Your life is worth more than the revolution" Tommy's life was worth more then the notion of a nation derived through liberty and freedom

- The one time Wilbur stepped away from the button room was when Tommy and Quackity confronted him and reasoned with him not to do it. Tommy even arguing that if he pushes the button, he himself will die in the explosion if Wilbur presses it.

- "Are you trying to make me feel as bad as I did in Pogtopia?" This line is interesting because it implies that Tommy's words actually stung. That Wilbur genuinely felt ashamed of what he was doing/ the path he was taking because Tommy told him off for it. So many other characters have told him off, yet why is it Tommy's words that stung?

There are just too many situations where Wilbur made sacrifices to his own plans/ mentality based on Tommy. It may be very very subtle, but based on what I've seen the only one who can derive such doubt in Wilbur is undeniably Tommy.

Tommy, in my mind, could narratively be Wilburs potential reasoning for change and redeption

I dont doubt that Wilbur still cares for Tommy, despite how twisted his morality has become.

Dream wasnt concerned over Technos well being, he was upset because the one person who can break him out (with the favor) is trapped in the cell with him (he even mutters how techno was "the only one who can get him out" in a panic).

Techno wasnt asking Dream about his state of being because he's particularly concerned for him, rather he just wants info. His whole spiel is being an anarchist, what better way to take down a clear building of oppression than to get all the details of said building from the one who contracted it. The only one who has lived there and understands the treatment put upon him. Him asking about Dreams torture is just more evidence for him to understand the oppression.

And I'm not being in "denial" here, this isnt really about crimeboys, rather its genuinely something off about the whole situation that isnt consistant at all to what we previously know. Now I'm NOT saying the reverse psychology theory is real here, you can come to your own conclusions here but the whole situation is genuinely inconsistent.

1) Wilbur didn't know anything about what happened in the living world.

This is an odd case because you would think Tommy of all people would actually hold Wilbur accountable during the months that he was with him. You're telling me that he NEVER mentioned the second destruction of his nation? You're telling me that Wilbur didnt even ASK? Things like Exile is understandable, but there are so many other things that have happened that Tommy could have easily mentioned to Wilbur. Yet he doesnt.

It actually doesnt make sense at all because Tommy is the type who would mention these things, even if they were tense in the afterlife HE WOULD STILL accuse Wilbur of the things he clearly did in the living world that screwed them over. HE WOULD MENTION what his actions caused for other people and himself, Tommy isnt a character to hide that.

He has always been one to blame others and hold them accountable for problems and mistakes they clearly made. He's done that with many other characters before, Wilbur is NOT an exception here.

So you're telling me Wilbur didnt ask about what he missed ONCE and Tommy didnt mention anything at all? They were together for MONTHS what else would they even talk about?

2) Wilbur mentions being alone until Tommy arrives in the afterlife, before eventually leaving.

But this just isnt true? There are multiple instances AND Povs where Schlatt and MD were clearly present within Wilbur's headspace in the afterlife. And there are instances of him actually speaking to them too.

The first encounter we had with voidbur during the disc war he mentions Schlatt and how he's "Sick of that guy" and wanted to get away from him (tone wise it was just general annoyance, not malice)

In Tommy's brief look into the afterlife Schlatt and MD come into conversation. Wilbur clearly tries to call one of them over until Tommy refused the company. If Wilbur was able to easily call the others over, then why is he saying he was alone with no one but his own mind to talk to?

(You could say that Wilbur only likes talking to/ confiding in tommy but that is am assumption rather than an arguement. In this case everyone is treated equally here)

And Schlatt has clearly spoken to both Wilbur and Tommy too, with Tommy mentioning how Schlatt told them to "keep time." That fact in itself PROVES that the other afterlife residents were able to communicate with each other.

(You can mention how Schlatt was asleep for months but that doesnt mean MD wasnt there, it also doesnt mean Schlatt was asleep FOREVER)

And then we can finally mention Quackity's stream where Schatt or "Glatt" makes an appearance. And Schlatt mentions how he would come down from the afterlife to hangout, already showcasing more awareness and knowledge of himself then Ghostbur has shown (Ghostbur seems like a special case here). Already from that, it isnt inherently wrong to say that a lot of Glatt's knowledge about the afterlife is reliable and accurate to what it actually is.

So if we were to actually take his word for it, then he clearly shows companionship to Wilbur and Tommy in the afterlife. He mentions them coming down to hang out, he implies how Tommy would follow Wilbur around, he mentions Tommy's general uncomfortableness about being dead to begin with. All of these things somewhat contradict Wilbur's words of being "alone" if he is able to recall these encounters.

3) The first appearance of voidbur hes fairly friendly with Tommy and Tubbo

Now you can argue that things change during that passage of time seeing as each introduction of voidbur are years apart. And I wont argue with you if that's your reasoning against this claim because it does make sense.

Personally, I think the passage of time situation is complicated in general.

But I feel like a lot of people forget that the disc war encounter is STILL voidbur. And cutting to the chase here, his overall personality and vibe towards Tommy and Tubbo was actually very friendly and understanding.

He sensed Tommy's uncomfortableness and tried to calm him down and cheer him up by cracking jokes. He even says that its okay for him to feel uncomfortable because the whole situation in itself is odd.

I dont know about you but that IS NOT the Wilbur we saw revived. Whether time changed him (I honestly don't know what would make him different) or to put it bluntly, revived Wilbur is playing us for fools right now.

I think this last point can be held with a grain of salt tho because it is possible that the first voidbur encounter can be taken as improv. Or from the CC's perspective, they havnt finalized who voidbur actually was yet and instead they just rolled with what they had which is why he may have seemed nicer here.

This is generally what I have noticed that stuck to me. I still think there are a lot of the points that were made about Wilbur with the reverse psych theory that still stands. Not saying the theory itself is true, but the evidence that was used is still very solid in some cases. There are a lot of general inconsistencies here that I feel like are too integral and noticable to be a slip up or a mistake.

Techno is a prideful character, had he had lost some time in the past I doubt it would have affected him as much because he hadn't built up his confidence onto the level he has now.

Techno now, is in a position where he feels like he is right in ideals, right in his level of confidence, and safe with companions he can trust. He has spent so long building that up to the point that he has total faith in his plans and motives.

So when he does loose, just imagine how much more shocking it'll be for his character. Everything he had faith in immediately comes crumbling down and that would bring on a huge internal struggle where he's questioning the integrity of his confidence and ideals he's believed in for so long.