I mentioned in the tags of another post that maybe after the events of "Dreamkill" Gunther comes to live with the Blakes. Granted, 20yo Finn and 18yo Gwen might not even live at home anymore, but let's say they do or maybe they drop in on occasion— more so now that their cousin is living there and he's #GoingThroughIt
Mainly I was thinking about the implication that dad Bobby was abusive to Gunther. And now Gunther is in the Blake house with very nice Terrence 2.0. What a difference, right? Gunther might even tell his cousins how their dad's pretty okay. And there would really be no point in them arguing how Terrence used to behave while drinking himself to death for three years. How would that help Gunther in any way? He doesn't need to know. Not after his recent trauma and not while he's living under the man's roof.
Just... Finn and Gwen having to watch Gunther get the good version of their dad with none of the horrible memories and them being unable to say anything about it except to each other. That's all.
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If you don't want to watch V/H/S/85 but do want to know how its little spinoff relates to The Black Phone universe, here are the highlights to know.
Bobby (played by James Ransone) is Hope's brother.
The goth kid (played by Scott Derrickson's son Dashiell) is Gunther, Finn and Gwen's cousin. (Since this takes place in 1985, he would be a few years younger than them.)
I can summarize the entire "Dreamkill" plot beneath the read more if you're still curious.
V/H/S/85 is an anthology of different stories, but all that matters to TBP is the segment Scott Derrickson (writer/director of TBP) created called "Dreamkill." Because it's made by Scott to be part of the universe, it'd be nice to include it, but because of things like James Ransone playing Bobby in VHS85 and Max in TBP, that does fall apart somewhat. It depends how much you're willing to overlook. And how willing you are to decide Max Shaw has a twin brother.
In theme with the VHS motif, the entire segment is recorded on tape like found footage, which has since become evidence. Aurora is located just outside of Denver, where TBP takes place.
"Dreamkill" opens from the first person perspective of a killer who drives to a woman's house, breaks in, and gruesomely murders her while she is on the phone with emergency services.
When it cuts away, we see James Ransone's character Bobby with a camera pointed at himself. He is at the crime scene of the woman's murder, there to document as a "forensic videographer." The lead detective on the case, Wayne, remarks to Bobby that the front door looks familiar, similar to a video they were anonymously sent the week before. He states that the house and crime scene are identical to the video, down to the posing of the victim, impossible given the timeline.
06/19/1985: Wayne requests the source of the mailed video be tracked down and has a surveillance camera placed on the public mailbox for any further videos that might be sent through it.
There is another video shown from the perspective of the killer as they breaks into a man's house and murders him despite a struggle. When police investigate, Bobby asks if Wayne is sure it's the same house from a new tape they received three days prior. He's certain it is and makes a joke about time travel.
06/25/1985: There is footage of a hooded figure dropping off another tape at the surveilled mailbox.
06/28/1985: Wayne reviews the footage of the mailbox and with it giving him nothing, decides to post two officers to watch it in person.
06/29/1985: Wayne is seen reviewing a box of paper documents.
07/02/1985: The hooded figure drops off a new tape at the mailbox and is arrested by the police staking it out. He is taken to an interrogation room and revealed to be Bobby's son, Gunther.
Wayne interrogates Gunther while Bobby sits in. Gunther confirms he has been sending the tapes. He sent recordings of the murders before they happened in hopes police would prevent them. When Bobby presses where Gunther got the tapes, he answers that they came from home. Bobby becomes enraged by his blasé non-answer while Wayne plays nice to get him to come clean. Gunther explains they bought a new video recorder the year before. Despite him wanting a Beta recorder because it "looks better," his dad went cheap and got VHS. Bobby argues Beta does not look better. Gunther says he uses the VCR to record late night movies while he sleeps. A few months prior, images began showing on the tapes, becoming clearer and more apparent until he recognized them from his dreams. Wayne concludes Gunther's point that the VCR began recording his dreams but does not believe it, thinking it's a prank. Bobby pulls Wayne aside for a private conversation.
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Bobby tells Wayne his son has prophetic dreams like his cousin Gwen and Bobby's sister (Hope) who was driven insane by them. Willing to hear them out, they return to the interrogation room where Wayne asks why Gunther would not give the tapes to his dad instead of mailing them. Gunther says his dad gets mad when he talks about his dreams. (Are we sure he's related to Hope and not Terrence? lol jk.) When Wayne asks how mad Bobby gets, Gunther does not answer. Wayne implores him to continue explaining instead. Gunther recounts that the dream tapes began with more simple content like the score of a football game or who would get into a fight after school. Then the first murder occurred.
They are interrupted by a woman coming in with the latest tape Gunther had dropped in the mailbox that night. Wayne asks what will be on the tape, and Gunther tells him to watch it instead. The video details a second woman being murdered in her home, but Wayne catches the house numbers before the killer enters, along with a reflection of a water tower to give away its general location. Wayne tells Bobby to get his videographer camera and kit. When he leaves, Wayne opens a folder of papers and holds them to the television screen with a sigh.
Wayne drives them to the house. Bobby makes a joke about the ridiculousness of going to the front door and telling the woman she's about to be dismembered soon. Before they go in, Wayne asks Bobby to put the camera down so they can talk for a moment. Bobby puts the camera on the dash but leaves it rolling.
Wayne: "Bobby, you know this lady?"
Bobby: "Who lives here? No."
Wayne: "Mm-hmm."
Bobby: "No."
Wayne: "Why are you lying to me?"
Bobby: "I'm not."
Wayne: "Do you know this lady? You also know the first victim, too. These are a copy of the- the lawsuit filed against you. Found in the first victim's house. I took them from the evidence room. These two ladies hired an attorney to come after you. That second victim is the attorney."
Bobby: "Wayne, listen, I-I can explain."
Wayne: "You also lied to me about voluntarily giving up uniform to become a forensic videographer. Why didn't you tell me that you were forced to turn in your badge after these two ladies accused you of stalking and sexual assault? I mean, did you…did you really get their addresses during those traffic stops? ...Oh, Bobby. We've been friends for a long time. I mean, our kids grew up together, for Christ's sake. I'm- I'm- I'm giving you a chance right now-- right now to tell me the truth, Bobby. Did you --"
Bobby shoots Wayne in the head, killing him. He then gets out of the car and goes inside to commit the murder, as predicted.
07/03/1985: Early morning and Gunther is still in the interrogation room, having fallen asleep. The camera in the room turns on and begins recording his dream. When Gunther wakes up and watches the tape through the viewfinder, he is upset by what he sees.
Bobby walks into the interrogation room covered in blood, and Gunther tells his dad he knows what he did, that he killed all of them. Bobby then tells Gunther he's going to kill him as well, blaming him for the spotlight and conclusions put on his crimes. Gunther argues that he knows his father will not kill him because he just dreamed how it ends. Calling him a "little fucking freak," Bobby raises a gun to shoot Gunther, but he is shot at by a police officer first. Bobby steps out into the hall and shoots the officer. He then kills another four (five total) before being shot in the back of the head and killed by Gunther. "Dreamkill" ends with Gunther being shocked by what he has done and dropping the gun.
Opening the writing app to create the most niche TBP fic ever, appealing to me and me only.
(TBP/Dreamkill crossover where Max and Bobby are twins, meaning Al, Max, Bobby, and Hope are all siblings. Also it's Shawcest with Al having feelings for Max he would never act on, but Bobby's a decent enough substitute if he ties him up and gags him. But first they kill a mother and son together for fun.)
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"V/H/S/85" is the sixth in the series of horror anthologies which began in 2012 with "V/H/S/", still the best in the series in my opinion. The seventh "V/H/S/" will debut on Shudder, sometime in 2024.
"V/H/S/85" is framed by a documentary tv show in which a group of scientists find a boy that they name "Rory". The scientists discover very quickly that he is not a normal boy. He begins to show characteristics of the people observing him. He felt to me like a homage of sorts to "The Thing".
There are five other stories interspersed within the "Total Copy" story. Two of the stories are connected. The first one is about a group of friends who decide to go swimming and camping and who should've heeded the "No Trespassing" sign. This one is followed by the weakest story, "God of Death" in which an earthquake occurs that destroys a television station in Mexico. The only survivor is the camera man who, along with the rescue team, encounter something they wish they hadn't. The next story is done by one person who exclaims to the crowd that technology is their god, going so far as to awaken a "God of Technology" in a virtual world that merges with the real world. Big mistake. The next story is the one that connects with the first story. At first, it looks like a graduation or birthday party or another big event in a young person's life. The event it signifies is what happened in the first story (and why). The last story is the best of the bunch. "Dreamkill" was directed by "The Black Phone" and "Sinister" director, Scott Derrickson. It was co-written by his frequent collaborator, C. Robert Cargill. It starts as a panicked 911 call and a killer making their way up the steps and a murder. An investigator realizes that it's an exact copy of something on a videotape that was sent to him some time before. The police stakeout a mail box and arrest the boy, played by Derrickson's son, and think he was the killer.
"V/H/S/85" is uneven, but the high points make it worth seeing. The faux documentary about "Rory" has a great ending. "Dreamkill" would make a good feature film all by itself.
V/H/S/85 is the sixth instalment in the V/H/S franchise and in my opinion, the best one to date.
V/H/S/85 is a found-footage horror anthology film, releasing in 2023. It’s the sixth instalment in the V/H/S franchise and in my opinion, the best one to date.
As you’d expect, this anthology has a frame narrative in which a narrator presents a documentary on a team of scientists at a University studying a shapeshifting being they name “Rory.”
There are a total of five unique horror stories with…
