This is my personal experience in the past and I think for some other newer commies too (I can’t speak for everyone tho), but regarding this why is it easier to support/unpack propaganda about states such as Cuba, Vietnam and Venezuela but harder for DPRK. Early USSR I’ve also noticed is a bit harder too. I always support any country against western imperialism and I’m against reactionary sentiment against them, that’s a given for me and also I’m principled in being a ML now (therefore supporting them however I’m not as politically educated/organised). And obviously you can’t speak for everyone too I don’t mean that at all (also MLs have a good understanding of DPRK so yeah).
Are you asking me why it's harder for people to support the DPRK or the early USSR? You're definitely right, I'd say there's a lot less consideration compared to somewhere like Cuba, for example
I think it partly does go back to the fact that Stalin and the DPRK have undergone such immense propaganda campaigns by the west, in my opinion much more than most anti imperialist / socialist countries or leaders
I think with Stalin part of it is the Cold War context, but he also did overlook possibly the most brutal part of Soviet history. And I don't mean that in regard to state repression exclusively, but collectivisation, dekulakisation, the Great Purge, etc etc, all of that did entail violence whether from the Soviet government or from reactionary forces (like the kulaks, fuck the kulaks). Khrushchev did oversee 'deStalinisation' and kind of reinforced the popular narrative in the west of Stalin being a brute. But Stalin was harsh; there's context and he was operating in a particular environment, but he was. Even principled Marxists would agree, Michael Parenti for instance, and Fidel criticised him even more than I would (part of that might have been ignorance though, or a motivation to appease the west or even Khrushchev, because Fidel was facing immense pressure to denounce Stalin)
Anyway I digress. Back to the point: we know how much the west loves to decontextualise or simplify things like this, we see it with most communist history
And I think the kind of changes Stalin oversaw provided an excellent opportunity for the west to slander, especially considering the 1930s was also the Great Depression. Thousands of USAmericans were travelling to the Soviet Union for work, so the motivation to demonise the country was probably quite high (this is partially speculation I haven't researched heaps into USAmerican migration into the Soviet Union but it did happen)
So there is this immense propaganda campaign, it becomes even a part of popular culture I'd argue. So many left-leaning westerners still use 1984 or Animal Farm like "anti-authoritarian" bibles, and it's no secret that those books are anti-communist, specifically anti-Stalin, propaganda
Stalin is called a "red fascist", the Soviet Union under his leadership is called "totalitarian", all phrases that are intended to evoke emotional reactions rather than critical analysis
Westerners are taught in school with the work of anti-Stalinist propagandists; I remember in high school having to write essays about Stalin's "totalitarianism" and being encouraged to use authors like Robert Conquest for my research
It is indoctrination, it really is. If you're asking someone in the anti-communist west to unpack their anti-Soviet bias, there's a good chance you are asking them to unpack years if not decades of propaganda (depending on their age)
Now as for the DPRK, I think much of it is the same in regard to the lifelong propagandising. I mean seriously, the average westerner knows nothing about the DPRK except for bullshit CIA propaganda. People constantly repeat Radio Free Asia claims, such as that it's illegal to wear a leather coat there because Kim Jong Un wears them
The DPRK has been portrayed as almost cartoonishly evil, and it doesn't help that we have so many 'defector' testimonies propped up with CIA propaganda and influenced by financial desperation to create sensationalist narratives. That is really the only information people are given in the west about the DPRK
The propaganda campaign is also a part of popular culture with the DPRK. When people want to refer to a dictatorship, they talk about North Korea. I can't count the amount of times I've heard someone say something like, "just because [blank] called themselves [blank] doesn't mean it's true! North Korea calls themself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea!"
It's almost been turned into a meme in a way. Oh and considering Call of Duty is going to have that game plot about the DPRK invading South Korea. Again, pop culture is riddled with propaganda
You also have to consider that the conflict between North and South Korea is not over. The Korean War never formally ended, an armistice was signed but no peace treaty has ever been established. South Korea is full of USAmerican troops, the country is very much a way for the US to protect its interests. And no conflict is only undertaken through military force, there is often ideological conflict too
If you want to destroy a country (as the US wants to do with the DPRK) why would you let it be popular? Why would you not try to make everyone see it as an existential threat? The US has an absolutely enormous propaganda capacity, of course it's going to use it for this conflict too
All of this means that people in the west go through immense indoctrination, they are exposed to such intense propaganda that often weaponises and misrepresents facts (violence/repression in the Soviet Union, or the DPRK being isolated or having nuclear weapons) to craft a particular narrative. It is immensely difficult to undo this level of indoctrination when there is some level of truth behind it. That doesn't mean the truth is represented accurately, but you can't really deny the existence of purges in the Soviet Union in the same way you can't deny that most foreign tourists in the DPRK will only experience state-endorsed guided tours and that we comparatively know little about the lives of North Korean citizens
That kind of misrepresentation of facts operates within a broader framework for analysing the world that has been shaped by liberal institutions and media. Because the indoctrination isn't just made up of specific claims, it's an entire way of thinking and understanding the world that has been constructed. If a communist says something positive about the DPRK, that's not just attacking the claims that a liberal believes, it's also attacking their way of thinking and often their upbringing too. You're challenging their confidence in their entire worldview, their intelligence, and often their morals too
ALSO let's not pretend that, in regard to the DPRK, a big part of it isn't just orientalism. It absolutely is. The west is saturated with orientalism and racism, and nobody even cares about challenging it when it comes to the DPRK, even if they might in other circumstances
But anyway, in my experience at least, other communist countries and leaders haven't been faced with the same level of propaganda. I mean it's context dependent. Based on my observations, for example, USAmericans seem more actively hostile to Fidel than Australians because Cuba is more relevant to the US and thus more of a target in their institutions. But generally speaking, the propaganda is much more intense when it comes to the DPRK
This might be one of the yaps of all time but I do find this topic very interesting















