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Is there any reason why Jaime said he never cared much about innocent (or otherwise) lives? Like... I get the bad writing claim. But this is so, so, so awful, soooo obviously OOC, and has absolutely no lead-up. He was going to single-handedly charge Dany (while she was on Drogon) because... She was burning food? And people were terrified and he saw Aerys 2.0 in her. They were soldiers, yes (but he cared about their lives!! They were his men, they might not have been non-combatants or innocents, but he still tried to save their lives!) But also the FOOD would have helped feed King's Landing. Something Cersei doesn't care about (as we can tell from how she immediately spirited the money away. The food was burned, but all the Tyrell gold made it to King's Landing) but imo Jaime does. He cares about these people. He killed the King he had sworn to protect because he was going to explode the whole place. Cersei wasn't in King's Landing at the time - even way back before any character development, he was saving innocent lives and Cersei didn't factor into it. Charging Dany/Drogon during the loot train battle? That was him trying to save lives (that were not Cersei).
And even further into season 7/eps 1-3 of season 8, he develops even more!! Brienne of "Fuck Loyalty" Tarth reminds him of the millions of people in westeros that will join the army of the dead, and when Cersei immediately breaks her promise to join forces, he just walks out of there (yes! Here he is saving other's lives [which isn't new for him] but he's now doing it in direct opposition to Cersei's desires.)
Before, most of the people he saved didn't effect Cersei. Cersei didn't really have a vested interest in the population of KL and whether they survived Aerys (and she never does lol), but he cared enough to save them. And he would do bad things for Cersei back then - pre-series Jaime cared about Cersei first, and innocent lives second. U just need to look at the whole pushing-little-boys-out-of-windows thing to know he used to do terrible things for Cersei.
And at the end of season 7, he's doing good things in spite of Cersei. He goes on a journey where his priorities shift. He's moving past this toxic relationship. He chooses being good (ie Brienne), and his entire arc sets that up. He fights (Jaime, who used to be one of the best swordsman in Westeros but is now a CRIPPLE without his swordhand) by the side of Brienne for the living. In direct opposition to Cersei's stated goals/desires.
In that scene where Dany is putting him on trial (im paraphrasing because I'm literally just typing this as it comes to me) he says he did terrible things for his family (for Cersei), but now he's here to fight for the living. For other, non-Lannister, non-Cersei people.
And that perfectly summarizes his arc. And that is why I'm so confused about his line where he "doesn't care much about innocent lives"
It's so obviously not true for him. And what was the point of that line, then? Why did the writers put it there? His entire life story is pretty much about two things: Cersei, and innocent people. And as the story progresses, he begins to move past their relationship, where it's holding him back.
So why tf does he say this? To Tyrion, no less? Who just was telling Jaime about how he's the only one that treated him like a person (see: JAIME CARES ABOUT INNOCENTS). And then Jaime says he doesn't care about them? And is going back to Cersei? Who literally sent Bronn to kill him? Who nearly ordered the Mountain to kill him when he ditched her at the end of season 7? Who basically said "fuck everyone idc if they all are killed by ice zombies"
Like... Wtf dude. Idk what happened. Maybe it's a faceless man. Maybe Bran is possessing him?? But Jaime Lannister is the KINGSLAYER, hater of all tyrannical megalomaniacs and elemental forces threatening life as we know it. And he goes into the red keep to save Cersei's life? Or die with her? How does that help the innocent when Dany is literally raining fire on the entire civilian population of King's Landing?
This is more than bad writing or being OOC, I swear. It's not possible to be this OOC on accident, not when there are probably dozens of people who see and comment on the scripts as they're in development. And I want to know why.
MAJOR TINFOIL AHEAD (I'm v sleep deprived so this is gonna make no sense. And as a theory it's... V out there. But it's what I've been thinking about all day)
(((my pet theory: Bran is actually the big bad of the season. He's the one who told Sam to tell Jon his parentage, which spikes Dany's paranoia. He's the one who tells Sansa and Arya Jon's true name. And he does it off-screen? Why? And does it have anything to do with why Sansa later tells Tyrion? Who then tells Varys who goes on to try to get Jon crowned? Why did the Night King mark Bran? He's the memory of the world, yes, but he's also ~kind of~ a person. And people have flaws. Remember that stuff in season 1 or 2, about the nature of power, where Varys and Littlefinger talk about a king, a rich man, a priest, and a sellsword. Where Littlefinger and Cersei square up "power is power" "knowledge is power." Being the 3 eyed Raven is unlimited knowledge. And with knowledge comes power. Maybe the Night King isn't an enemy to the living, but an enemy to the three-eyed raven. And with the NK out of the way, Bran is going for world domination or something. And so he starts with starting Dany's descent into madness (or whatever u want to call it) via the knowledge of Jon's parentage. And somehow, Jaime plays a key role??? He's gotta get him out of the way, so he sends him back to Cersei (who is probs gonna die because Dany). And the major OOC-ness is the writers dropping hints.))))
Anyways the tinfoil is over. I just need Jaime's arc to make sense. His actions and words at the end of 4/in 5 make no sense. There's gotta be something to this. It's not even a regression, it's straight up a betrayal of everything Jaime has ever stood for in regards to protecting the innocent. And he's lying to Tyrion. We, as the audience, know why he's the Kingslayer. And I'm gonna point out (again) that he was the Kingslayer even before any character development happened.
Jaime has always cared about innocents (even if sometimes he betrayed his own internal moral compass for Cersei). It's a flat out lie to say he doesn't. And post character development, I think it's pretty easy to say that innocent lives definitely rank higher than Cersei now.
I liked your Bransa because it's the feel Ive been craving for, actually, for Meera/Bran since she recoiled from him in s7. Have you had any inklings about that ship? Like in a 'she knew BRAN and she knows exactly what he is now and yells for about an hour hearing he was vOTED king' lmao. Or if you have any half formed ideas about Meera, Reed's remaining heir, taking over & knowing something is not right about Sansa. Would she mercy kill her? Free her into a wolf? Some tea that blocks Bran temp?
Itâs all right if you dont have any ideas to actually commit to writing and just respond privately saying so! I just noticed in many fandoms you have some unique ideas that make terrible canon twists actually interesting (ex: klonnie, bonkai) and if theres any ideas youd even vaguely have about what directions a house like Reed that is very old religion would go, in your 3EBran universe.
hereâs the funny thing!
before writing bransa i totally thought of a meera/dark!bran oneshot, i just put it on hold but! iâd love to write one where bran informs tyrion very calmly that he needs to send the Kingsguard to fetch his queen. and tyrion would be completely flummoxed like âwh-wh-whaat? but youâreâŚ.i meanâŚ.huuuuh???â (basically that meme of that lady doing algebra in her head) and bran just smiles and says, âi would hate for her to get awayâÂ
and cut to meera stringing an arrow, trying to fight off the soldiers who have surrounded her. one of them holds a sword to howlandâs throat. she knows thereâs no hope. they catch her and bring her to kingâs landing. sheâs brought directly before the king.
meera: what the hell is this? what do you think youâre doing, summoning me? my father never agreed to this, greywater does not recognize you as -
bran: you once expressed your discontent at not being properly rewarded. after all, you helped me, stood by my side all this time and when it was said and done, i dismissed you with barely a thank you.Â
meera, defiantly: i remember. i donât need your gratitude anymore. youâre not bran. youâve tainted the three-eyed ravenâs legacy too.
bran: taint is the three-eyed ravenâs legacy. consider this my way of making it up to you.Â
meera, looking around her in fear: what exactly do you want?
bran smiles, clasps his hands: you will make a lovely queen. sweet, but strong. in time, you will give the realm an heir.
meera: but you - you canât do this -Â
bran: i can do many things, i can be many people. consider this a gift.Â
(and if youâre wondering how bran would impregnate meeraâŚ.well, i donât wanna give the game away because iâm going to write about that in my bransa ficâŚbut itâs fucked up lol)
anyway, i might just write it! and thank you for saying that about my writing!Â
(lol look away from this reply kids)
I have to say that the one thing that did disappoint me about the final was that the wheel wasn't broken.
I could be content with Jon leading the wildings back beyond the wall in a life of exile. I could be content with Arya sailing into the unknown abyss that is the sunset sea. I could be content with the Unsullied and Dothraki sailing to Naath for a life of peace as they protect the people there. I could be perfectly content with Brienne finishing Jaime's story. I could read those things from George himself and think that it all came together in its own way. However, the one thing that made me feel disappointment and bitterness was that the wheel wasn't broken. The North gets to be its own independent kingdom, but the Iron Islands and Dorne don't? The North gets to rule itself, but everyone else is to follow Bran? To me voting Bran to be King was not breaking the wheel. Giving the North independence just to place a crown on Sansa was not breaking the wheel. In a place that has seen centuries of bloodshed and bad rulers I just simply wasn't content with the idea of this happening because it's not going to last.
How long before Yara declares that if the North can rule itself then why not the Iron Islands?
How long before the Prince of Dorne laughs in Brans face?
How long will it be before the Kingdoms split apart one by one, and war begins to brew once again.
To me, I never wanted to see Daenerys on the Iron Throne, because I wanted her to destroy it. I wanted to see her create a government not based on a monarchy--even if they had to take baby steps to ensure the transition would still break the wheel without crippling the countries.
Because after watching that final I do not see peace for Westeros.
(I also find it odd that no one questions that Bran--the three eyed raven--did nothing to prevent casualties. Did nothing to stop the shit storm that happened throughout this season. But then again why would he because everything bad has lead to him ruling as king.)