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CELESMA!!! ♥♥ I’ve missed you. I hope you’re well. I keep wanting to write another comment on your fics because I don’t know any other way to contact you. But anyway. Many hugs to you! 

(Oh my gosh if anyone sees this and likes Castiel and Sam and/or Sastiel, check this breathtakingly talented writer out on AO3! A Quantum of Solace changed my life, no joke.)

*snuggles and adoration*

The show was never able to decide if the audience was supposed to care if hosts got murdered post-S03, so Sam's "Moral Event Horizon" in Cindy rings really false as a result. And is one reason why I choose to think that he didn't kill her, mostly because it annoys me so much to think that the show would paint this one thing as OMGSOHORRIBLE! and then not even give it the narrative weight it deserves. (Cindy is literally never mentioned again.)

That makes a lot of sense! I really like the idea that Cindy might still be alive. I just wish we’d gotten closure or at least she’d been mentioned again. Even if she died, it just makes the disparity even clearer:  they gave her death such weight despite the everyday murder of vessels--despite their sacrifice being collateral damage in Dean’s eyes. I just can’t make sense of what s4 was trying to get across. (And this calls back to previous conversations, but ughhhh at the way Ruby’s knife being used to kill vessels became so commonplace in later seasons.)

denugis replied to your post:

It's something on which the show is just hopelessly inconsistent, I think. Yes, it was presented and worked as a moral Rubicon for Sam, but Sam, Dean, and Bobby cooperated to drain more than one host (they were definitely dead) before Sam said Yes in Swan Song, and that, the same decision based on the same reasoning, was given no moral weight whatsoever. And the show has flipflopped on the vessel issue several times before and after, as well.

That’s so true! The decision to kill hosts for their blood, when it’s made by Dean (and Bobby), gets none of the ominous music or the lingering close-ups on their cold, impassive faces that Sam got. -_- And yeah, as the seasons went on, it seemed like they both took the lives of vessels for granted when they killed angels and demons. Only now, seasons later, in 11.01, did we finally get Sam (and color me unsurprised that he’s the one who brought this issue up to a resistant/incredulous Dean) saying that somewhere along the line, they lost sight of their goal of ‘saving people’ and need to return to that. 

I don’t know if the writers were purposely making the brothers anti-heroes or if they just took the path of least resistance because they didn’t want to deal with the vessel problems. (I’m not even counting the flimsy “well they’re probably dead anyway” excuse that got tossed out a few seasons ago.)

strongly agree | agree | neutral | disagree | strongly disagree

You make such great points!

At the beginning, when it first appeared, I was a bit torn, because while I was horrified (they just killed people), it was nice to know that if they needed it, they’d have a way to stop a demon in its tracks. Demons were no longer untouchable or immortal. They had leverage.

I quickly started to feel like it was a cop-out, though, and--like you said--a betrayal of the show’s themes. Not only did the show conveniently just stop addressing that the vessels were being murdered, too, they turned Sam and Dean into badass action heroes who didn’t even stop to question the effects of their actions. The difficult questions they had to deal with and the gray areas the show deftly addressed in early seasons were part of what made SPN such an interesting show, and it really lost something when the focus shifted from ‘saving people’ to ‘hunting things.’

I guess I get that they might have assumed that the vessels would already be dead or that they’d have trauma to deal with if they survived, but taking away that choice is just wrong and gross.

I absolutely agree with you about Sam, too. I’m glad Sam and (kind of hesitantly) Dean are back to considering people’s lives in season 11 instead of just throwing them away. I hope it sticks!

4. How many fic ideas are you nurturing right now? Care to share one of them?

One or two, I guess. My long fic is taking up 99% of my writing energies right now (more about that one at the end of this post) but I do have an idea bouncing around in my head about Sam adopting a rescue dog (I’m v passionate about this okay) so I may use that for my 5-minute fic challenge that I have yet to write.

5. Share one of your strengths.

Hmm... I enjoy writing dialogue, or more generally emotion. I like describing feelings/psychological states, whether it’s via dialogue or otherwise. So I guess that’s something I’m good at.

6. Share one of your weaknesses.

Plot construction, definitely. That comes only after much agonizing and difficulty to me (which is why I primarily write poetry and short ficlets that don’t require much in the way of plot, haha).

16. If you only could write one pairing for the rest of your life, which pairing would it be?

Oh no! I'm so sorry. :( I hope it can be fixed...

I ended up writing a lot on these because they were so interesting! Thank you so much!

9.    Apairing that I love:  I don’t really have an OTP inSupernatural (or in anything, really), and I adore friend!shipping people with Sam as much asI love shipping them. The only problem is that the show hasn’tallowed for much real development between Sam and any other characterbut Dean, so there isn’t too much to work on. I love Sam and Cas, and(thanks to some awesome writers here! You know who you are) I havecome to like Sam and Benny, and I (don’t kill me please) also sort ofeven have a soft spot for Sam and Gabriel, and I love love loveSamand Dean (if only they’d get aloooooong)! So… basically, I ship Sam withabsolutely everyone who can build him up and make him happy, even ifI have to turn to fanfiction for that to happen.

19. What was yourfirst impression of the show? Sooo… actually, even thoughI watched this series over winter break in 2013, I saw the firstepisode in fall of the same year (maybe September?) and was notimpressed. Although I liked Sam better than Dean even in the first episode, Ithought the whole thing seemed kind of forced, like it was trying toohard to be interesting and funny, and I just didn’t really get thejokes. Both characters seemed kind of one-dimensional, and, while themystery was interesting and the pacing was good, I wasn’tobsessively in love with any of the characters. I just let it go fora few months, thoroughly uninterested until Christmas, when (alone ina different country and living in my own apartment, I made somedinner and decided to put on some Supernatural with it. I made it toBloody Mary before I went to sleep that night, and that is the storyof how I devoted my life to Sam Winchester and Supernatural.

21. Name 3 things youlike/dislike about your favorite character? This is a greatquestion! I’ll start with the things I like, Iguess, since those will be easier. Sam is my favorite (big surprise),and if I had to choose just three things, I’d have to say that I lovehis faith, not only in God but in people (which extends to his credothat monsters don’t have to be evil and can choose to be better). Ilove his vulnerability, how it ties into his belief and hope thatmonsters can be better and his inability to accept that hecan be better, that his past doesn’t define him or dirty him. It’s awful, and I want him to learn to love himself,but it’s so much a part of him. Finally, stemmingfrom the first two, I love how willing he is to give of himself forand to others. His thoughtless self-sacrifice gets me right in theheart. Now… for the things I don’t like…(are there any?) Uhhhhh… okay. This is going to be hard. I guess Idon’t like how, sometimes, he can say things without realizing thatthey hurt the people around him. Just like I don’t blame Dean for thetimes he does this, I can’t blame Sam, since they don’t know that they’re doing it. I don’t like how Sam sometimes feels obliged(for whatever reason) to go against his ideals in order to achievesomething (post-Mystery Spot Sam, parts of s4 Sam, Sam trying to save Demon!Dean,etc). It makes for fascinating television and it adds so many facetsto his personality, but I don’t have to enjoy it. Finally, I don’tlike how, with time, he’s stopped trying to save the victims of demonpossession and instead just throws away the lives of the peoplewho’ve been possessed. It makes for a lot of interesting theoriesabout why he might do that (do his own experiences with possessionmake him believe that even if the people were alive, theywouldn’t want to live with the memories of what the Demon had doneto/with their bodies?) but Ireally want to go back to the Sam who cared for the victims ofpossession and tried to believe that even Demons could be good.

38. Do you likeCas? Yes. Like all the characters, he makes unwisedecisions sometimes, but I really love him (and the way you writehim!). I like the way his character has developed, but I feel likethe show sometimes loses sight of the fact that he is millennia oldand instead just uses him as comic relief. Still, though, it makestotal sense that he might be unfamiliar with the intricacies of humaninteraction, and I’m one of the people who finds hisawkwardness endearing beyond words. I like thedissonance between the whole ’powerful warrior angel who canwipe away your very existence’ and ’awkward beingtrying to learn how to interact with humans.’ It’sinsanely adorable.