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not really an ask buttttttt i lwk headcanon the permanent wind effect TR!Flowery has stops when he gets confused-bamboozled so hes just like what with the like 2008 emo ahh hair cuz its not being supported by the wind
it would be so funny lmao
HFJKSHDFHHJSDHF I love this lol.
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defernull aqua..
i dont remember if i posted my concepts for her here but uuuuu defernull aqua...
in canon, people think that flowery might survive, due to the emphasis on susie taping flowery up and the one thing on tenna's board 2 that's like "the flower's cut in half and yet it still stands". in defernull, is there still that ambiguity for df!flowery, or is he definitely dead?
Tbh I think I have to wait and see what happens with him in canon to give a definitive answer on how I’d handle this with my version of this AU.
If he dies, I imagined him asking Ralsei to burn his body to ash so that there would be zero chance of him returning as a darkner like how the pressed flowers did, and to show him that he was strong enough (developed his own powers) enough to handle whatever came next by “defeating” him once and for all.
If he lives, I like to imagine that DN!Susie would steal DN!Asgore’s equipment and take him home to Castletown. And he’d insert himself as her wingman the moment she tells him about her and Noelle dating. And he’d give her the most unhelpful and ridiculously macho advice on how to impress The Ladies™️.
I really like your take on Defernull Ch.5! The whole flower-pressing angle really adds an interesting twist to it all. The act of turning the flowers from their not-quite-darkner, not-quite-lightner status to proper darkners…but at the loss of their original identity…which they are completely unaware of…is so haunting and provides as perfectly valid in-universe reason for why Flowery would embody your typical edgy anime protag. He lost all of his friends at the hands of the one who was previously taking care of them.
For Flowery, do you think that, as opposed to his goals in canon DR of making Asgore as happy as possible in the limited amount of time he has, would DF!Flowery be trying to guilt-trip DF!Asgore for what he did and trying to make him feel bad?
(Also, bonus question, how would do you go about tackling his more meta knowledge/his perspective on it in comparison to DR!Flowery?)
I accidentally deleted my initial response to this ask I'm heartbroken. Anyways-
One of the biggest influences for my characterizations of DN!Flowery is Flowey's last scenes in the genocide route of Undertale, where he realized the indiscriminate violence of the player would extend to him too, and in the end he tries to bargain with you and pleads for his life. It was really haunting how he reverts to a scared and helpless child in that scene, especially in contrast to the malicious, unfeeling, and powerful persona he always tried to put up everywhere else.
I wanted to expand on that kind of dynamic with DN!Flowery and DN!Asgore. So, in that sense, I imagined their relationship as more like a child trying to appease and impress their abusive parent, internalizing the responsibility and fault of their caretaker as their own instead.
DN!Flowery wouldn't resent Asgore for pressing the other flowers. He and the other flowers were only supposed to live for one day, after all. He took careful (and near obsessive) care of them, making sure they were as healthy as possible. Their lives were extended so much farther than they were meant to live, and for what in exchange? Their lives were a gift mercifully given, so it seems reasonable to Flowery that Asgore got to decide when his care for them would end. If he decided they should be pressed, they should be grateful.
… But he still couldn't really shake off his fear of death. Moreso than the OG Flowery, DN!Flowery is motivated by his fear of the inevitability of fate, his mortality, and of his complex surrounding his nature as a flower. Because, to him, the consequences of his failures is so much more direct and dire. If he isn't strong enough to fight fate, it will kill him. If he fails Asgore, he will kill him. Because he is a flower, so many things could easily kill him and he could do basically nothing about it. He was just a dumb useless flower only good for looking pretty… and even then he still was failing.
If there was anyone he'd resent, it would actually be the pressed flowers.
He didn't actually understand at first they weren't the flowers he knew when they were alive. He didn't understand why they acted so differently to what he expected. He didn't understand why they didn't really like him. He didn't understand why they didn't seem to appreciate or revere Asgore in the ways he did, even if some of them did respect him. Why did they- not remember what he did for them? Why… did they not remember him?
When he realized they were just- strangers walking around in the husks of his actual friends, he would Despise them.
He still loves Asgore. He is his rock, his foundation. A strong leader whose strength (control over him and the other plants) remained constant through the worldwind of confusion that was Asgore's outside life. The only one he recognized in this new dark world. The only one left who still loved and cared for him. He would want to, not just return that care, but also try to impress him with the new abilities he's gained in the dark world. He'd hate to lose his favor. Will probably continue with the bonus question in a separate reblog...
Sorry i mean how does thornrune asgore treat kris?
I imagined him being a dismissive yet overwhelmingly an authoritative presence in Kris' life. I think he's someone who values maintaining and embodying a "perfect" image, and so adopting a human wasn't exactly his idea. It's something that would've unnecessarily made his family an outlier among everyone else. And... a town full of monsters isn't exactly the most welcoming or friendly place for a human child to grow up in. He's not devoid of care or even love for Kris, although he was surprised at developing that level of care for them. It's just that tough love is the only form of love he felt he should express. It's what was necessary to shape Kris into the kind of person who could survive in a world designed to weed out the strange and the weak. I say he's dismissive because- he doesn't see Kris as having become that person yet. They fail to conform to the world in the way he felt they needed to, and thus they became an embarassing and worrying outlier. They needed to try harder.
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Idk if I’m reading too much into this, but I noticed that OG Flowery seems silly on the surface but is mature underneath, while DN Flowery acts mature on the surface but is childish underneath
Hahahaha yessss YESSSS you should read more into it because that's absolutely what I was going for. I'm gonna be putting this under a keep-reading because of discussion of (fictional) abuse ig?
He acts childish because he doesn’t really have the option or freedom of being a mature adult like how OG Flowery does.
Imagined Thornery's (that's what I'm calling my TR!Flowery now lol) scars came mostly from one moment where Asgore tried to crush him, during a breakdown over his divorce. And while he didn't fully commit/was holding back, he still had dug his claws into him, notably digging his thumb into his "face," hence the fucked up eye. The evil scarred eye was a joke but I realized it could be a fun reference/parallel to how the canon UF!Asgore was the cause of UF!Papyrus' scar. I think the contrast of the original UF!Asgore doing this as a controlled decision to demonstrate his power, vs TR!Asgore doing it during a very emotional and irrational moment, in which he had no control anything in his life except his diminishing garden.
This artwork is from the og blog (@/underfell) btw
[wip] the realization that OG flowery has so many subtle expression changes
I am like, legitimately giddy. He's SMILING!!!!!!!
