#caltrops

I can't help but wonder if they are going to make things tragic and have Helena and Maelor both die at Bitterbridge and have Daeron go mad with grief.

Not that it takes away from your point, I'm just curious if you think that's the way they might go.

I have a feeling they're going to keep Helaena's suicide in King's Landing, possibly in an "empowering" "the dreams told me to bring about the death of dragons" kind of way. Either way, Helaena's death triggering a riot is a very key moment, and they'll include it regardless of whether it still makes sense.

Daeron could still go mad with grief if just Maelor died... but either way it would still be pretty impactless considering he has no onscreen relationship with his siblings and was sent away at a young age and will never meet Maelor. Plus it isn't just Daeron committing war crimes, it's Ormund too, and frankly being so mad with grief that you commit war crimes is the kind of writing they usually reserve for female characters. Male characters just get to commit war crimes and people still like them (Tyrion Lannister, Aemond Targaryen, Tywin Lannister, Hoster Tully...).

And tbh, I have zero patience for "I committed war crimes because I'm sad" as a storyline. ASOIAF as a series does not shy away from how dehumanisation of the smallfolk under feudalism results in horrific violence and war crimes by the nobility, especially by the side that decided to start a war*[see tangent below the cut].

Another issue is that since Helaena is not visibly pregnant any retcon for Maelor would have to be towards the very end of the season. Which creates issues for the timeline of events - Ormund is at Bitterbridge but Ormund is supposed to be dead by the time of Tumbleton, which is the cause of Rhaenyra's paranoia and alienation of the Velaryons and losing her grip on the city and eventually the riots etc. There's simply too much that happens after Bitterbridge for it to take place that late in the season, though I guess it depends on what the end point of season 3 is planned to be (based on how season 2 ended it may well just... end randomly with a whimper).

But then that leaves the question of what the hell are the characters going to do while waiting for Maelor to be born, even with the planned finale of season 2 now taking place at the start of season 3 (what a mess). I guess before Bitterbridge there's Daeron coming to Ormund's rescue and getting the moniker "Daeron the Daring", but other than that?

It certainly begs the question of how on earth is Ormund the biggest new addition of the season. Why is Condal so hyped about Ormund? The most significant things Ormund does in the story is a) babysit and commit war crimes with Daeron, a character Condal is having to hastily retcon into existence and b) massacre a town that had already surrendered over the death of Maelor, another character Condal tried to write out and now can't plausibly turn up until late in the season.

Considering the amount of backlash it took for Condal to realise he made a big whoopsie with Daeron and Maelor (but not Nettles - she needed to go so we could focus on Hugh Hammer, Ulf the White and Sexy Freddie Fox) I'm not sure what has attracted him to Ormund (or what attracted him to Hugh Hammer, Ulf the White, Sexy Freddie Fox, Tyland Lannister going on Alyn's post-dance adventures for some damn reason...).

At this point I'm not convinced Ormund isn't just an excuse for a sexy TG Good Guy (or "Misunderstood") White Guy OC. With Ormund's name slapped on top. Because Condal is so uninterested by the actual characters in the story.

This is the guy who found sending Sexy Freddie Fox on a bro trip with Criston more interesting than fleshing out Baela. This is the guy who found the Aegon Goons more worthy of screentime than Jace's relationship with Cregan Stark. This is the guy who decided to invent two OCs to die at the Battle of Burning Mill in the place of Samwell Blackwood and Amos Bracken, so we spend time with them squabbling over the Riverlands Geneva Convention instead of introducing Black Aly and Bloody Ben.

This is the guy who found Hugh Hammer and Ulf the White more interesting than Nettles. More interesting than Alyn and Addam. This is the guy who read a story in which two teenage brothers answer the call for dragonriders, in which the older brother gets a dragon while the little brother does not, in which the little brother goes on a desperate dangerous hunt for a wild dragon so he can be like his big brother, in which his big brother comes to his rescue but he is left with burns for life and has to find his own way by following in his seafaring grandfather's footsteps...

...And he decided that was not interesting. Condal decided to spend time with Ulf goofing in the tavern and giving Hugh a wife and child. While Alyn and Addam are aged up and dullified (what happened to Alyn being a cocky little teenage shit who gets under the adults skin? What did they do to him??). Hugh and Ulf get to answer the call for dragonriders, they get established motivations for doing so and their agency in answering the call tells us something about their character (they are brave, they are desperate, they are ambitious).

Addam gets a dragon dropped on him and just wants to be loyal. Alyn doesn't even consider a dragon. He gets what I swear is the same scene with Corlys 3x about how he saved his life that one time, then the only agency he and his brother display is telling Corlys to fuck off. Addam doesn't even get to have his big hero moment - Hugh Hammer gets the hero moment in the dumb Dragonseed Squid Game scene.

Apologies for going off on a long tangent (and for not being done). But Ormund is part of a very annoying pattern with Condal.

Personally I think Ormund could have been an interesting character for his presumed influence on Daeron. Daeron has a strange reputation for being the gentlest of his brothers despite committing horrific war crimes. But he is young and he does appear to be upset by Hugh and Ulf's war crimes at Tumbleton (note: Jace is the same age and burns exactly 0 towns to the ground when he's grieving Luke). So reading between the lines there is scope for Ormund being the one moulding Daeron into war crimes, for pushing against Daeron's gentle nature and instilling a culture of violence against peasants (my sympathy for Daeron as a Sad Boy War Criminal is limited in this regard, but I guess its psychologically interesting).

But again, when is this supposed to take place without Maelor? What was the original plan for Ormund if both Maelor and Daeron's existence are last minute retcons? Since he's the biggest new addition to the cast, since he's so present in the trailers, surely season 3 was planned around him having a major role even before fan pressure forced these retcons?

Based on Condal's track record, I flat out do not trust him.

Another tangent - Daeron and the Caltrops (especially rapist Jon Roxton) hatred of Hugh and Ulf would also have been interesting... because they are guilty of exactly the same crimes. As a pair of dragonriders they are admittedly more dangerous, but there is an interesting psychological and classist displacement at play. Ormund Hightower and Daeron Targaryen's war crimes are Good and Noble, Hugh and Ulf are Low Class and Gross Upstarts.

So far it looks like Condal is setting up giving Hugh and Ulf the story of "working class characters who are wrongly villainised by the nobility", which is a) Addam and Nettles story and b) unneccessary since "working class characters who are hypocritically villainised" was already an interesting story and commentary (not every bad guy needs to be a misunderstood good guy to add depth to a story).

Imagine Daeron feeling guilty about the crimes he committed at Bitterbridge, crimes he did with Ormund's encouragement. But with Ormund dead (and being unable to face his own responsibility) he displaces his anger to Hugh and Ulf. He swiftly gives the Caltrops his blessing to kill Hugh and Ulf, but it isn't justice because the Caltrops themselves are not punished for their crimes (and Unwin Peake will go on to murder Daeron's own niece Jaehaera).

That's what makes it narratively fitting that Daeron has kind of a pathetic death via collapsed tent - being gentle and having the potential to be a good person wasn't enough. He never atoned for what he did. There's no redemption, no heroics, no justice.

Contrast that to Daemon, who orders the assassination of a child (unless you subscribe to the theory it was all Mysaria). He agrees that he has lived too long. His last acts are to send Nettles away to safety (call her a love interest, call her a daughter figure) and face Aemond alone. He sacrifices himself to kill another (worse) war criminal, who beheaded and burnt alive so many more children.

been photobashing some shit for dnd purposes and it seems to be going alright hehe

They're all kinda straddling the line between terrible and tight as hell, which I am a-ok with given that the first time I did anything like this was December of last year.