#booshua

💕disclaimer: i’m a novice on astrology but these are my interpretations of the signs and how they’re working based on my experiences with them. Everyone has different opinions and studies in astrology, all interpretation and experiences within the realm is valid. However feel free to make your own post or skip if you strongly disagree. There might be inaccuracy and difference in opinions. But the point of this post is to relate, entertain and have a fun time. I’m hoping to validate people with similar experiences and get people excited about the girls+ astrology. Also, since we don’t know most of their birth times, I’m using the standard 12.00pm💕

EDIT: Thank you for anon who corrected my foolish ways, I thought he was born in Jeju but now I Know Better. 💕 Just in case you wanted to know: it didn’t affect anything much but it’s nice to have correct information. Again, thank you anon! 💕

January 16 1998 (Busan, South Korea)

Capricorn Sun (3rd Decan ruled by Virgo/Mercury)

First of all, Seungkwan’s Capricorn is in 3rd decan, that mean it has the influence of Mercury all over his sense of self/ego. He has this kind of restless quality to him, upbeat and much more in-tune with the material world than Joshua sometimes. 

Capricorn with Virgo decan tends to be more light-hearted than Capricorn in the 1st Decan. 

Joshua is a Capricorn in 1st Decan, with Saturn is heavily influencing him (compared to Seungkwan who has the pull of Mercury making him abit more-- active and responsive?). 

Joshua is a lot more quieter than Seungkwan. Although they do tend to joke/find humor similarly to each other -- Joshua can be more of the darker/drier kind, while Seungkwan is more of a responder to jokes (Virgo are responsive, but usually not instigators- Mutable) 

That’s not to say Seungkwan doesn’t exude the sense of self that Joshua has, in fact they’re share similar ‘vibes’ with each other than they are different. Both Joshua and Seungkwan usually relies on others to make a response to them, puts up a ‘front’ somewhat or a persona and finds it hard to let other people in/hear their personal emotions. 

It’s a good study on how earth-signs work, and the influences of each sign on a person’s chart. Since they share Capricorn Sun of different decan, and both have Earth Moons (Joshua is a Taurus Moon while Seungkwan is a Virgo Moon) -- you can see how Joshua is so self-assured, often subtle but equally sassy usually through his facial expressions. Whist Seungkwan is much more reactive, often a responsive and attentive to others (the way he looks at the person for reaction), asks others for their opinions and gets hurt more easily (or rather, shows it easier than Joshua does)

In fact, the difference here is more about speed and tone than anything else. They do things for exactly the same reason, but the way they go about it differs in the tempo that they’re individually at. 

Joshua is much slower paced than Seungkwan, mostly due to his Taurus Moon making him much more complacent and tends to repress himself naturally (Capricorn 1st Decan as well) while Seungkwan is often much more wary, cautious and tends to be actively aware of his environment more so than Joshua is. 

Seungkwan’s Virgo Decan makes him appear light-hearted, yet at the same time, much more anxious than Joshua. While Joshua’s Cap/Taurus Moon makes him serene, grounded and approachable. Seungkwan’s Cap/Virgo gives him more of an ‘air-sign’ energy to him. 

Pro-active, often cautious but also much more talkative. Seungkwan’s prone to joking but at the same time can get a little tedious to be around due to how fast he’s working. 

Capricorn with the influence of Virgo in their chart values activity, they want to feel like they’re actively participating in something or is productive in some way. Whether it be a personal achievement or a long-term goal, they can have a busy-body vibe to them. 

Ok so focusing more on Seungkwan himself. Seungkwan’s energy is much more focused on mental strengths, often a natural whizz and disciplined in terms of being thoughtful and aware of his external surroundings-- he can easily tap into other people’s emotions and helps them intellectually. 

Capricorn with Mercury decans are usually very quick-witted, whether they realized this or not. They often have a quip ready or some kind of one-liner to end all one-liner. They take alot of pride in surprising others that way, and garnering respect/reputation for it socially as well. 

He’s often very playful, his soul needs a playmate. He easily finds that in Vernon who gets kind of lost in the in-between of dreams-reality sometimes. 

For Seungkwan, it’s easy to tap into the mindscape and the reality. It’s all combined into one dimension for him, he can easily align and organize Vernon’s multi-dimensional perspective into one organized view, and participate from there. It’s very grounding to be around, because he usually takes a leading role in their dynamic as well (Cardinal) 

They’re also much more needier at home, same can be said about Josh. But while Josh is content to just be in his domestic space regardless of people (just by being around them is enough) -- Seungkwan needs some kind of interactions with him. He often seeks out those who are welcoming, often makes domestic space safe and easy for him to be in. 

Communication really is a big key to Seungkwan, so someone who doesn’t really say what they feel/think or those who says one thing and acts another really turns him away. He often feels like he can’t please them, and therefore can’t trust them. It destabilize his external environment, which is something his Capricorn is adamant on keeping at all times.  

He also has his Sun-Conjunct-Venus, which means his soul (Sun) fuels directly from social relationships around him (Venus). He’s extremely adept at being diplomatic, exploitive of opportunity but honest and humble about it. He’s serious and mature when he’s working, and often explains himself very clearly. If he does something wrong, he’s the type to reach out and apologize sincerely before the situation gets out of hand (Virgo decan).

It’s extremely important that he’s always surrounded by people, whether its the boys or staff members, he’s the type to seek out others and make sure to establish clear lines of communication-- otherwise, he can doubt himself, doubt that anyone really likes him, and gets stuck trying to isolate himself (Joshua does it too). He gets really anxious and paranoid that he’s being misunderstood. 

It probably does him really well to move into big cities like Seoul, because on one hand he’ll have limitless opportunity to be surrounded by people and reach a wider audience. At the same time, it also spikes his Capricorn’s fear of being used. The anxiety correlates to how big he’s become, of how his team’s popularity grows. 

On one hand, he’s grateful for it because he works damn hard for it (quietly ambitious, for himself and others around him) at the same time, he’s afraid of spiraling out of control. 

Being surrounded by the boys who can support him, really helps. It would help him even more if he learns how to open up sometimes, even when he’s trying his best-- sometimes he relies so much on other’s intuition to pick up on his moods and psychological health that he represses himself too much and isolate himself that way. 

Sun-Conjunct-Venus can also makes him extremely attached to vanity, or the idea of perfection/beauty because he’s closely tied it to being ‘necessary’ for his soul. 

In order to be well-liked, he has to have a good perception of himself. And that can be extremely hard to do, considering the Capricorn can have a very harsh, often self-decrepitating view of themselves (also: Virgo Moon). If he manages to reach some sort of idealized version of himself, Capricorn tends to be very posy and acts like ‘calm, cool city guy’. That’s their idealized image of themselves. And their vanity runs deep.

It’s part of why he admires Vernon so much, because Vernon is-- ideally speaking, Seungkwan’s projected image of ‘perfection’. You can have anything, if you’re that good looking. He tends to compare himself to others because of his own insecurities, but also because his sense of self/ego (Sun) is tied into beauty (Venus) and therefore-- social relations that comes with it (Venus as well). 

To him, the ability to charm others just by looks alone is correlated directly to his ego (Sun), since Capricorns aren’t one to be so forward or externalize alot of aegyo charm to bring people to them.   

Seungkwan also has his Sun-Conjunct-Neptune explains how sensitive he is. Besides being much more reactive and restless than Joshua, having his sense of self (ego) tied to his subconscious (Neptune) he’s extremely sympathetic to plights of others, and with Neptune (Pisces) influence he does tend to cry a lot. Usually it has to do with others, whether it’s a movie or a sad song. 

Most likely it has to do with family, or close friends plight. If a member is experiencing trouble, Seungkwan often feels deeply compassionate for them.  He wants to take care of them, and often through physical touches or just by being around their presence. 

 The reason he became a singer at all, might have something to do with supporting his family as well. He doesn’t want to see his family suffer, and being filial is the utmost important thing to him. If he ever sees his mum or sisters cry because they miss him, he’d probably cry too (right after nagging them/whining about it.)

Virgo Moon 

A shy and sensitive bub, often times he hides this part of himself very well but you can see it in the way he over-worries/stress himself out about how other people perceives him.

I’ve referenced briefly on his Virgo Moon in the earlier section, but I’ll go into details about it now.

Virgo Moons are extremely hard on themselves, particularly when it comes to the world around them. 

Unlike Aquarius Moon or Sagittarius Moon who has an outlet or escape from their suffering (Aquarius Moon resorts to 3rd person perspective/analyzing things objectively, Sagittarius Moon sees thing as sensory/naturally bound) -- Virgo Moon is strictly regulated to the material world and it’s suffering sometimes.

They’re always trying to help others around them, because in turn they want that help to be directed back at themselves. Whether or not they can help others, you can be sure they’ll try their best -- and often has the best intention at heart.

They’re deeply misunderstood mostly because the way they show that they care can become intrusive, they’re a bit of a worrier, overly-stress sometimes and tends to go overboard for the people around them. Which-- in a Moon, can make other people feel like they’re invading their personal space. 

They really don’t mean to be, in fact when they give constructive criticism it’s usually due to their worrying. If it’s something that cannot be fixed, they won’t say a peep (developed Virgo Moon). They can be highly attuned to their environment and people around them, and often very perceptive/sharp. 

Even if you don’t want them to say something, most of the time they’ll offer some sort of advice anyways. The best way that they can show how they care, is to just be a stable presence in other people’s life. Even if that means-- well, hovering.  

He’s particularly harsh on how he perceives himself, arguably this is one of his most....used placement. I wouldn’t say it’s developed but he uses it fairly often. Notice that if you do have a Virgo Moon you’re not stressing yourself out carelessly.  

Virgo Moon means that their emotional ties are linked directly to their health and overall being, their external environment, the state of affair as of that moment. Most of the time, it’s things they can’t change immediately (such as weight or body-image, fame or other people’s worries) it can tend to weigh down on them for a period of time, until they find that they can reach a ‘growth’ or progress in how they see themselves.

So really, it’s kind of a hard place to be when you’re so transfixed on things you can’t change immediately and has to see through a duration for it, y know. 

Their emotional response to thing is usually to structure, organize life of people around them or themselves. Their external environment helps with --- not breaking down. But when they do breakdown it’s usually resulted in thrashing the entire structure they’ve organized in order to fix it back together again. 

They’re a Chaotic Mess but often very very endearing and lovable, just wants the best but because they’re so fixed in their image inside their head/emotions-- they can’t seem to listen to anyone else sometimes (when it comes to their personal life or ideas they might want to change).

They’re often one of the first to offer anyone else help (close friends only), Seungkwan’s the type to really go up to someone and ask ‘I can help with anything?’ -- because they feel best when they’re being productive, they like activity and most of all they like to feel like they’re progressing. 

Again, it all ties back to what they can do immediately and their long-term goals/frustration. Note that this isn’t the same for ALL Virgo Moon but it’s an interpretation of Capricorn Sun in the Virgo Moon in the context of Seungkwan (who has a Capricorn Mercury and Venus as well). 

Virgo Moon also has to watch out not to place too much pressure or stress on themselves, since it tends to cause physical weariness on them as well. Either physical pain or their endurance suffers, being aware of their emotional place and relieving the stress would help them alleviate any physical burden as well. 

Seungkwan is possibly the happiest to overwork himself for his team, he can often even do so with a smile even if it worries everyone else around him. Usually he’ll go ‘it’s ok, I can do it’ -- a real trooper because he wants to be dependable and he cares about them so much, it’s his way of serving them and repaying them back (Virgo Moon affection comes in small dedications/actions).

Same goes with his dieting plans, even if people say it’s absolutely not necessary and he’s ‘fine the way he is’ -- his Capricorn Sun/Virgo Moon would stubbornly refuse to listen. This is because he likes the activity, he likes goals and he stubbornly sticks to the image he’s already set out for himself (Sun-conjunct-Venus).   

His Moon-opposition-Jupiter also points to him feeling like he constantly  has to fight for approval/validation from the public.  This can lead his Virgo Moon to self-destructive tendency, like being unaware he’s overworked himself to the point of ‘burnt out’ or ‘extremely exhausted’. He doesn’t like worrying others, relies on his ‘persona’ to be uplifting and grounded, and he generally keeps an image of reliability to others (same with Joshua-- it’s a Capricorn Sun thing possibly).

In the end, Seungkwan gives so much of himself away in his effort to appease others that’s all that’s left is to rest. He thinks this ‘rest’ is finally what his Virgo would find fulfillment in (emotional fulfillment) but it’s often void. He just feels empty. 

That’s not to say there’s no such emotional fulfilment for Virgo Moons. When there’s a hobby or task they can focus in on-- coach, pull others away from their thoughts and help them in any way (in this case, it’s teaching vocals and MC-ing) -- any type of space where he’s expected to analyze and micromanage, he can do so very well. 

He can be a really clear and deep observer, not just because his Capricorn holds multiple ‘facade’ or ‘persona’ for him to use-- but his Virgo moon makes him naturally acute to other people’s impressions and perceptions. He can pick up cues pretty fast, and deduct whether or not they’re trustworthy or not. 

Most of the time, it’s extremely hard to get to know Seungkwan personally. Not only is he a bit more reserved and traditional than we realized, but he’s also a very cynical and suspicious of other’s intentions towards him and his close friends. 

Be prepared for 100 questions from him, and even then, maybe even occasional side-eyes and squints in your direction. 

Now, Seungkwan also has his Moon-trine-Mercury (0 degrees) -- making him a very animated talker and often a very passionate one as well. He hardly leaves room for others in a conversation, especially when it’s about work or productivity. 

Being completely influenced by Virgo/Mercury all over, sometimes the activity/productiveness can overshadow what he’s actually saying at all. Unlike Hoshi who similarly has Gemini all over his chart (Sun down to his Mars) -- Seungkwan speaks for the sake of productivity, while Hoshi speaks for the sake of getting his thoughts out. Sometimes, Seungkwan can lack forethought with how fast he’s going. 

Capricorn Mercury

God, Seungkwan is such a good example of just how funny and entertaining Capricorn can be. With the archetype that they’re often somber and depressing to be around -- it can be hard to remember that Capricorn enjoys humor and surprising others with their unusual speech for comedic purpose intentionally sometimes. 

If you think Capricorns are over-dramatic, they really are. For someone who’s aiming to be a goth vampire all the time (aura-wise if not fashion-wise) they are literally the most uncool people to be around (in the best way, mind you)

They would really make a fool of themselves for you, but don’t ever mention it in the public or they’ll be really upset about it. To them, their sense of humor has to be in their own term, and usually a token of trust/intimacy. 

I know it’s kind of hard to understand, but Capricorn aren’t really the type to sacrifice themselves that much for others outrightly. They give what they can give, but usually it’s a show of trust and dedication. It’s the hardest part of a Capricorn that they have the worst time accepting, so when you make fun of them in public-- they feel like you’re betraying their trust.

It’s kind of a weird place to be in, but you can see how/why Seungkwan gets really sensitive and moody about it. He often instigates his own jokes first, and therefore leaves no room for narratives or derive narration to make fun of himself for others.

What he says is what he says, you can’t take it as any other way other than just as a joke. If someone made a joke about him, that’s a different thing entirely and it will upset him. 

In a way, making his own joke and putting it out there way before anyone can make fun of him (because he makes fun of himself) is a self-defense mechanic. Capricorn Mercury seeks to structure their external environment/social structure, they don’t like their narrative being misinterpreted, so they take matters into their own hands sometimes.  

The way he speaks is so sincere, he thinks of others and often for others all the time. Sometimes he can come across as overly sarcastic or cynical (prone to side eyes) but he’s ultimately very caring about what others thinks, particularly what others thinks about him.

Personally it probably scares him, and he’s often too afraid to ask what they really think of him. Because he doesn’t really have a good self-image reflection of himself (Virgo Moon remember?) He keeps thinking ‘if I can do this, if I can achieve the idealized perfection-- then, I can ask what everyone else thinks about me’ -- because it’s predicted that they will like him (at least from his own self-image, not necessarily reality) -- which makes it harder for him to open up, because he can never truly be satisfied that way. 

Capricorn Venus (R)  (3rd Decan rules by Virgo/Mercury)

The way Seungkwan himself looks at the members? It’s full of love and affection when they’re speaking. He’s very attentive, and he shows he cares in the little details. 

It can have a kind of simple, yet very Virgo impact (Virgo Decan). They show their love and affection in the form of small devotions and dedications, paying attention to the smallest detail. You can be sure Seungkwan is obsess with the small details sometimes (to the point where he over-worries himself- makes him a perfectionist at the expense of his emotional health) 

Having his Capricorn Venus in retrograde he can overcompensate with his Virgo too much (since he has an overabundance it often feels like... he’s flowing through that tap too much?) he has to learn how to recognize and build up his Capricorn and not confuse it for his Virgo sometimes. 

Seungkwan is an adept and very caring individual. You know how Vernon adores and relies on Seungkwan? He has that kind of dopey look on his face sometimes? And Vernon himself can get kind of sloppy with himself? Seungkwan has no problems picking up the slack at all. In fact, that’s exactly how his Capricorn/Virgo manifest. He likes taking care of people, organizing their life, structuring them. 

Him asking Vernon to kiss his head/cheek? A very Good Capricorn Venus trait. Although it can make him stiff/nervous usually, physical affection is Good for the Capricorn to destress/bond with others with.

Seungkwan is more of a feet on the ground watching where he walks kind of person, whilst Vernon always has his face up in the space exploring space. They meet at a sweet intersection in their life where they’re grounded enough (Aquarius placements in Sun-Mercury and Seungkwan’s Mars/Capricorn Venus) to truly understand each other. 

If you line it up, they’re pretty compatible (non-romantic) Vernon’s Aquarius Sun/Scorpio Moon and Seungkwan’s Capricorn Sun/Virgo Moon. Vernon’s Aquarius Sun gets a kick out of Seungkwan’s sharp wits and highly sarcastic Virgo Moon. While Seungkwan’s Capricorn Sun feels comforted and soothed being around Vernon’s Scorpio Moon’s because of external stability he posses (Scorpio: seeks to stabilize themselves internally, therefore externally they are grounded. Opposite applies for a Capricorn). They sooth each other and keeps each other entertained. Not too crass and not too smooth, it keeps them going. (I’ll make a post about this later)

Venus-Conjunct- Neptune makes him possess great singing ability and ability to bring reality to dreams. He enjoys romance, and often artistic pursuit. It heightens his emotions, particularly able to tap into other people’s emotions and use it for his craft. 

His Capricorn Venus in retrograde makes him lose a bit of control over his life. As much as Seungkwan needs constant responses and affirmations from others, he’s also too afraid to ask for it back. 

Ultimately, emotional depth kind of scares him. He enjoys superficial conversations, or work-related production, but when it comes to actually opening himself up to someone-- he can have a hard time approaching the subject all together.

Often times he’s abit-- confused about where it’s all coming from, because he’s not used to this emotional depth. He knows he has sensitivity for sure, but when it comes to -- recognizing his own emotions and separating them from simply being compassionate for others, he usually doesn’t know how to go about it well. 

This is because he’s so prone and stuck in the material world that he tends to repress, all the tiny little discomfort and other emotions into the background. He’s often too busy organizing and doing ‘work’ for the world at large/his own goals that he doesn’t spend enough time-- self-reflecting emotionally or thinking too deeply about it.

He thinks ‘What’s the point?’ because he thinks he’s honestly only going to cry about it. Tends to think everything they’re repressing are ‘sad’ emotions and lump them together such as that. The only consequence of ever letting those emotions go are obviously going to end up in them crying. 

They don’t really take the time to analyze, learn or grow from their emotions. Categorizing or recognizing that there’s value and distinctions between them. Maybe it’s melancholy, maybe it’s retrospection. Not everything is going to end up in tears and they have to recognize that. 

It can be kind of a black-or-white situation with them, and it tends to-- exasperate partners who are looking for some kind of emotional support or validation that doesn’t involve analysis of their feelings y know?

 He can completely block himself off from his own emotions, that means he won’t be much help when it comes to others (atleast to the extent that will help them more).

Aquarius Mars (3rd Decan rules by Venus/Libra)

Perhaps the best way to handle Seungkwan when he’s in his quieter mood is to leave him alone until he’s ready to talk. It can be pretty unpredictable with him, since you don’t really know when it’s just his Capricorn Venus needing you to cuddle up to him or his Aquarius Mars need for independence at the moment. 

But he’ll Let You Know immediately if you cross the line, so don’t worry. 

Despite how unpredictable he can be, Seungkwan is really a progressive and imaginative thinker. 

He engages in others intellectually, and likes learning from his team mates and professionals around him. He likes acquiring new skills, particularly when it has to do with artistry, business or unspoken rules in the industry. 

Maybe his Aquarius Mars is even working as a stand-in for his Capricorn Venus sometimes, with it’s decan being in Libra/Venus. He can tend to attract or show attraction to those who can keep up with how communicative he is, and have their own individualism as well. 

Imaginative and progressive thinker draws him in, yet at the same time they have to have responsibilities, and sensibilities to them. Particularly, in the context of being respectful and not too ‘forward’ as well. 

He values those who can often speak and own their ideas eloquently, Woozi comes to mind. The Aquarius Mars in Seungkwan feels like it could connect and understand Woozi’s Sagittarius Mercury to a certain extent, and is much more complacent/willing to listen to him more than others.

He feels like he has substance, people who are stable yet out-going intellectually appeals to him. They have to be cautious somewhat, or shows some kind of-- comprehensive, critical reading of the situation as well. This stems from so much Capricorn/Virgo influences in his chart. 

There’s not a lot that actually gets to him, but don’t ever let him feel boxed in or restricted. Progress and productivity is such a big thing for him, since it regulates his anxiety to a certain extent. If he feels like the team isn’t making quick enough progression/success, he feels even more trapped and hurries to over-working himself-- in order to succeed in the field, for their team.

The type to caution others from making stupid decision, yet at the same time hesitant to speak up. You can clearly see it on his face when he’s frustrated though. 

He has such an open-mind that he can easily accept others with differing opinion, despite how he might feel emotionally about it (sensitive to criticism about himself/emotionally) he’s really not the type to lash out in an aggressive way. 

In fact, if he does lash out he tends to be verbally aggressive and at the same time, very soft. Likes to approach others and make his argument in a way that’s ‘not personal’ (emotional distanced), likes to make a point that seems ‘objective’, even though it’s completely subjective. 

Like, ‘hypothetical situations’ : ‘if you think about it like this...what if you do this then it’s going to be like that....but it doesn’t really matter, if it makes you happy you should do it anyways...’

It can be kind of passive aggressive but he really isn’t the kind? He has a hard time hiding his emotions already, he’s easily frustrated and prefers the direct method. So most of the time, he just keeps it to himself. 

Makes it seems like it’s not really hurting him, even though others can just transparently see that he’s actually really hurt about it. 

The type to stare at you long and hard and go ‘do you seriously think that’s a good idea?’ -- gets easily riled up when it comes to other people being affected through other’s actions/words.

Doesn’t like disruptive environments or dynamic, arguably hates change (Moon-Square Pluto as well, his emotions are linked to change and can make him aggravated but in a more Virgo way--- naggy.)

His Aquarius Mars is probably one of his stronger placement besides his Moon. Seungkwan possesses a great love for keeping peace and keeping structure at all cost, can lead him to being a little bit more frantic and sensitive.  

Conclusion

Seungkwan tries to be a lot of things, but he really can’t help how endearing he really is.

In fact he’s such a great example of seeing-- a transparent Capricorn for once. For all the posing and image creating, he has so much sensitivity and compassion inside of himself that it’s easily spilled out of him somewhat.

In a way, Capricorn might just be his least developed placement. Instances of this you can see when he loses his composure in public, although he saves his face -- if he had it his way, it wouldn’t even happen in the first place.

He’s a strong Virgo Moon (maybe not developed, but Strong) and arguably, a pretty developed Aquarius Mars. 

This gives him a legs-up in admiring and supporting Aquarius in general, DK and Vernon are easily one of his favourite people. And you can easily see why, with Aquarius being his most developed placement he would probably feel more instantly connected to them than say--other Capricorns in his team.

Doesn’t mean he isn’t close to them, it just means he feels like he’s doing something right when he’s around Aquarius. He still needs to try to work some of that Capricorn Venus out.