as a person whos country has been screwed by the U.S., a dude running around invading countries wearing an american flag would be very uncomfortable, and i wish that cap had understood better how scary he was. yeah, tony was a little too complacent due to his own guilt, but cap was too defensive. it felt like he still thinks hes an underdog, a super sickly guy fighting people bigger than him, people who didnt believe in him, and as if he was still part of an ethnic minority.
2) like i was such a movie cap fan, but he really disapointed me. he was just a little too self-absorbed. idk about tony tho, like his motivations were bc of his guilt, but i thought it was fair. being such a rich man that has caused so much pain, he sort of needs to concede to others a lot, especially the international community. if less powerful nations are scared of you and your group, shouldnt you listen?
I definitely agree with you on theĀ āinvading countriesā andĀ āstill think heās an underdogā points. I get the sense that Steve does genuinely think heās still this little, non-threatening guy fighting the big bad bullies. It probably didnāt even occur to him before the Accords that him just showing up with his team out of nowhere, presuming to know best, would be terrifying to people who have seen Americans show up and wreck their countries under the guise ofĀ āknowing best,ā too. That he could be seen as the bully.
As for being self-absorbed, though, hm. I really think the main issue with the Accords situation (and the issue that sparked this whole Avengers Civil War in general) is the lack of time the team had to consider it and the fact that they didnāt have a representative arguing their side when it was made. Steve and Tony took firm stances because⦠those were the stances they had to choose from. They couldnāt really discuss compromises because they werenāt going to be allowed to compromise anyway. So Steve came off as looking super arrogant for not wanting to work with the governments, while Tony came off as looking super complacent. Which I feel neither of them really are at heart. It was just that they had to choose between two extremes: sign or donāt sign.
And like. Holy shit, the Accords are sketchy. I got a few anon messages about it and:Ā
The reason why I side with cap is that if you actually go and read the sokovia accords (which you can they were on agents of shield) theyāre fucking ridiculous. They suspend habeus corpus for any enhanced individual, if your powers are innate you have to wear a trakcing bracelet (which is not inconspicuous looking and would most certainly out you) and tons of other BS. If it was me in that situation, there would be no way in hell Iād allow those laws to be imposed on me (part 1)
(part 2) not to mention, iron manās whole argument is well we want to take responsibility for what happened but no where in the sokovia accords does it talk about where responsibility and blame shall lie, the closest it gets is that now the avengers have to answer to a committee which is also complete BS. A committee wouldnāt allow them to act fast, how are they supposed to respond to threats quickly and efficiently if they have to wait to get the ok??
(part 3) (Iām sorry) The bad guys arenāt gonna call up the avengers in advanced and tell them hey yo weāre gonna invade France tomorrow so make sure you get permission from your parents first so you can come over :). Also, in the accords it states that if you donāt sign, you donāt have permission to use your powers in conflicts and if you violate the accords you get thrown in jail indefinitely (oops part4)
IāM SORRY THIS HAS GOTTEN SO LONG BUT IāM REALLY PASSIONATE. (part 4 Iām sorry) This would mean that, unless the individual signed the accords, some local superhero wouldnāt even be allowed to go save a house from burning down. tl;dr the avengers wouldnāt be able to do shit or move a muscle, no matter how big or small the problem may be, without first having to wait for a committee and committees are too slow
So personally I think the Accords were too dodgy to sign and honestly did not set up a good system, which is why Iām with Steve on his decision to not do so. I wouldnāt give up my rights like that either, and the committee idea is bad, not only because itās slow but because different nations have different allies and agendas. The US government would probably control the council by virtue of having the most political sway, which is equally as dangerous for less powerful nations, because then America could reallyĀ order the Avengers to go ārunning around invading countries,ā and the Avengers couldnāt go against their decisions without running the risk of being sent to prison for life.
Foreign policy is just tricky all around. The Avengers should not be allowed to operate in a foreign country unless their presence is requested, but that decision should be up to the affected countryās government, not a potentially biased committee, and the Avengers should be able to decide what missions they take, because theyāre people, not weapons. I think Tony and Steve would have reached this conclusion on their own, but then they put out a kill order for Bucky and there was no more time left for debate.