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Ty ^_^, when I scrolled a bit through the tags and reblogs the opinion seemed missing, and as much as I love this movie it's just itched me.

And about Ambrosius. NGL, I only realized that might be so after I posted those and read a bit farther down the rb's lmao.

If Ambrosius is meant to be asian-coded, I think that's epic, but a bit weird cause he's meant to be related to the big white knight of yore and like... if we're going to talk about racism maybe that should have been brought up? Like maybe it could have been cool if he had to deal with being the blood relative of this figure yet not the same race/not fitting her image, and that could have been part of why he was so sympathetic towards Ballsiter. That could be why his hair is dyed and not natural blonde actually! But the world doesn't seem to be explicit in its race relations, so that isn't brought up or explored in a way that would have made Ambrosius the sort of explicit rep it would have been nice to see. Which is ironic with how blatant this is on the surface with Ballister and the queen.

I saw some people saying he's cool model minority rep, but kinda every poc in the film is, which is my problem. It just rubs me a little wrong how one-sided and un-dynamic Ballister, the Queen, and now even kinda Ambrosius are in their feelings towards the institution internally. Outside of being framed, on the verge of witnessing a war crime, or sympathizing with Nimona, they show little animosity or complicated feelings towards the institution; they have very clean and pure opinions.

[KATFL MAIN GAME SPOILERS WITHIN]

     Surprisingly interesting question cause this series has villains with motives and goals that range from abstract stuff like covering the land in darkness, to pretty complex narratives about corruption and greed.

     Haltmann Works/Star Dream, The Jamba, and Elfilis are the three who are the worst because they were consciously seeking (or have somewhat succeeded in) inter-planetary conquest and destruction. I'm not counting Zero because his motives and the impact of dark matter are abstract, and I’m not counting Magolor because he only became corrupted by the crown and failed. I’m also dropping The Jamba because even though they literally wanted to commit omnicide, the backstory of being a persecuted religious group turned revenge cult gives them a bit of sympathy points - plus they failed.      So it's between these two - an interplanetary imperialist corporation headed by an omnicidal super computer, and an alien demigod with teleportation magic who destroys planets for fun...      Haltmann and Star Dream are complicated cause neither started their arcs maliciously. Haltmann just seemed to be an inventor who was unknowingly corrupted by his creation, and Star Dream is omnicidal but only because it’s a computer acting on the data it was given. The real villain of their story is imperialism and its self-eating nature, but those two cause very real damage. Through hints and backgrounds you can see that their imperialist reach is very far, and by the time you reach Haltmann and his computer, he is entirely just a heartless, greedy man in charge of one of the largest campaigns of inter-planetary destruction we’ve seen.      Elfilis is weird though... because we don’t know the most about their history before they came to the planet of Forgotten Land. We know that when they come to a planet to conquer it they try to destroy everything on it, but its not clear why they do that instead of trying to rule? The scale also isn’t clear because we cant tell how many planets they’ve destroyed before, but I doubt this planet was their first. So from a lot of assumption you can say that Elfilis is a powerful, sadistic alien who enjoys testing their strength by destroying planets. Which is very scary lol.

     So I think based on motive and the scale of destruction, Haltmann Works and Star Dream is the most PLAINLY evil. In the text of the story there is a lot of emphasis put on their racist, greedy, and, sadistic campaign of destruction that makes them narratively, the most vile and destructive villains in the series. But if you think hard on it, Elfilis might be the worst because they seem to be on some DBZ villain shit of blowing up planets just because they can! Which I find incredibly interesting given how Elfilin is one of the most beloved companion characters in the series, but was once part of what might be the most straight fucked-up villain in the series.

OH THAT'S A RAW AF IDEA! My problem, next to the unnecessary cruelty of Bristle's death to her and her friends, was that it felt rather meaningless and that there were more thematically impactful ways to kill Ashfur. If this arc was based around the idea of how disastrous the clans' devotion to Starclan was, then all 3 of the POVs dying in some way that went against the plans or "destiny" for them set by Starclan, but that was ultimately far more successful, would have been VERY interesting!

As well as very tragic; the idea that everyone sat around with cold-feet thinking about their own lives being lost when it ended up being the 3 bravest and youngest among them who were willing to truly sacrifice themselves in the end. And their reward for dying the truest warrior's death wasn't an afterlife because that's what they sacrificed for everyone else to have. If the clan's weren't stupid as hell it could be really impactful to see something like that be a catalyst for true change among the them - realizing that loyalty to a better future rather than to the rules of the past is what saved them at their darkest.

For Rootspring, it could prove his loyalty to the clans along side his accepting of his Sisters ancestry; maybe finding his destiny through his connection to the earth rather than Starclan, but still using that to save his home. For Bristlefrost it can show her finally getting over her authority appeasing habits (WHICH I SWEAR WAS A REALLY UNINTENTIONAL INTERESTING CHARACTER TRAIT), and of course in that, taking down Ashfur for the way he manipulated her and her clan, like her death was attempting to put together. And for Shadowsight - a character who was so passive and insecure he let the Imposter puppet him under the guise of a greater power, and whose sheltered-ness made him hated by the clans - him taking control of his destiny in such an undeniably brave way would be so satisfying.

~@monty-glasses-roxy (Halloween game OP sorry for any duplicates!)

And what does the ask game OP in the Anonymous Asker costume get?

Some FNAF opinions from me since they seem to like it so much, its also festive!

Marionette is my favorite (followed closely by Bonnie)

The majority of the knights at the beginning who are getting their swords are poc. I think Todd is actually the only one who isn't. Ballister wasn't the odd one out because of his skin color. That's just not a part of the movie or the message this time and guess what? That's okay! Not every single piece of media can or should be expected to address every single social issue.

That's very true. But the movie made a very deliberate choice to try and push race/class to the forefront with its casting of Ballister, Ambrosius, the director, and the queen - a story about how institutions won't trust POC in power and will even pit them agaisnt eachother to maintain the cleanest image. (My unedited take missed info on Ambrosius). And that analysis too was specifically what I was adding my opinion on from OP. Bit parts in the background being diverse is genuinely cool, but doesn't really change the parts the main actors are playing in that story's themes.

I'm gonna say first off that I don't subscribe to the (fanon?) belief that the people of the New World/Forgotten Land WERE the Ancients who did all the stuff we'd heard about up until KatFL. I think they're their predecessor, and I had a post about that before. Basically thematically and on a meta level it makes sense to me everything about the Forgotten Land is to be squished at the beginning of this universe's timeline.

So by that measure I think that the in-universe implication is that the people of the Forgotten Land BECAME the Ancients of Halcandra. I think they found a way off that planet and to another dimension (or another galaxy cause i have pet peeves) with the knowledge they learned from Elfilis, and then settled on that planet. Hence how all those ancient artifacts that look nothing like those of the Forgotten Land, but use Eflilis' powers - mixing tech and magic as Hyness said they once did - came to be. And then sadly it seems that the successors of those people who fled the Forgotten Land due to resource issues never learned and destroyed themselves too. Maybe escaping like their ancestors, maybe not - who knows! But basically, the people of the Forgotten Land are from the past of the past, the Ancients of the Ancients IMO.

Now I remember there were a lot of fun easter eggs in KatFL and the Music Fest that hinted to the idea of the Forgotten Land being connected to or even a post-apocalyptic future of earth, and as fun as that is to speculate about I think the in-universe idea is that they weren't like, literally us or became us. I think it was mostly for funsies, but is a really fun idea to explore, and I'd be willing to change my mind if there was more expanded upon that. Like... per se if it became that the Halcandra Ancients only came across remnants of the Forgotten Land to learn everything they did instead of being the result of their diaspora. It would be a more hopeful alternative to the nuclear winter Shiver Star Theory atleast, I don't really like that one.

KatFL and all its info is still new to the mythos so we'll see how it gets fleshed out as we go along. I think the biggest reason why we never SEE them or their image is because it creates a fun sense of mystique like why the hunters in Bambi were never shown, which I really enjoy. I like that you could very seriously read this as what will happen to the earth or as something separate from us because of that vagueness. It's what makes Kirby lore fun to talk about ^_^.