#article 4

- Polish PM Donald Tusk

Olga Lautman at Unmasking Russia:

If the United States were to use military power against allied territory, it would bring the post–WW II security order to an end, collapse NATO from within, and hand Russia the biggest geopolitical victory it has never been able to secure on the battlefield, while placing the alliance on a path where American forces could, for the first time, find themselves in direct confrontation with NATO troops. I wrote about Greenland yesterday and will continue to focus on it precisely because Trump’s threats must be taken literally and understood as policy, not dismissed as rhetoric, spectacle, or bargaining tactics. Greenland is Danish territory, and Denmark is a NATO member. Any attempt by the United States to coerce, seize, or militarily pressure Greenland would immediately raise fundamental questions about NATO’s core obligation of collective defense. That reality is now being acknowledged openly by European governments. Earlier today, Johann Wadephul, Germany’s foreign minister, stated that Greenland belongs to Denmark and that, because Denmark is part of NATO, Greenland necessarily falls under the alliance’s defense framework, adding that any need to strengthen protection would have to be discussed within NATO. Finally, Europe is waking up to the reality of the threat. Statements of this kind are not routine diplomacy, and NATO officials do not publicly raise questions about defending allied territory unless the risk is being taken seriously at the highest levels.

France echoed the same position, reiterating its support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Denmark and Greenland and stating plainly that borders cannot be changed by force, underscoring that Trump’s threats are now being treated in Europe as a challenge to basic principles of international law rather than a bilateral dispute. This concern did not emerge overnight. Over the summer, Denmark summoned U.S. diplomats following reports that individuals linked to Trump were engaged in covert influence operations inside Greenland. According to reporting, those activities included identifying politically sympathetic figures, compiling lists of critics, and gathering material intended to portray Denmark as exploitative or illegitimate in U.S. media. The pattern mirrors tactics long used in Russian influence operations, where internal divisions are deliberately amplified to weaken cohesion, undermine trust, and soften resistance ahead of operations.

Russia, in fact, identified Greenland as a vulnerability years ago. In 2019, a forged letter sent to U.S. Senator Tom Cotton purported to come from Greenland’s foreign minister and requested financial support for a referendum on Greenlandic independence. Greenland’s government quickly confirmed that the letter was fake, and Danish and Greenlandic officials later concluded that Russia was the likely source. Danish intelligence assessed that Moscow’s objective was to sow confusion, inflame tensions between Copenhagen and Washington, and normalize the idea of territorial reconfiguration without the consent of the people involved.

[...] Any U.S. attempt to coerce or seize Greenland would almost certainly trigger NATO’s Article 4, which allows members to demand consultations when their territorial integrity or security is threatened. Actual use of force would push the alliance into unprecedented territory by forcing NATO to confront how it responds to pressure from one of its own members. For Moscow, this trajectory represents a strategic windfall. A NATO alliance forced to debate how to defend itself from the United States is an alliance already weakened, as trust erodes, deterrence fractures, and collective defense becomes conditional. Russia does not need to defeat NATO militarily if it can watch it unravel politically.

Stop fucking spreading panic

No, WW3 is NOT starting right now

2 people, farmers, civilians, NOT SOLDIERS, with families are dead, be respectfull dammit

Poland is not "impatiently waiting to use article 5 and attack Russia"

we ARE however all waiting for Vladimir Putin's painfull death

there are decades worth of history of bloody wars, genosides, oppressions, assasinations, kidnappings, corruption and so SO much more

because of this there is a long history of hate and longing for justice

also millions of poles have families or relatives from Ukraine

Putin WON'T announce capitulation because he KNOWS that would mean his death at the hands of his own people who would kill him in matter of hours

UPDATE (17th Nov. 2022):

Poland is NOT going to force neither article 4 or 5

Polish experts say the missiles used were ukrainian not russian and were probably launched to shoot down rockets fired by Russia but missed and hit the polish border

NATO has officially invoked Article 4 of the North Atlantic Treaty after Poland requested emergency consultations in response to Russian drones violating and striking inside Polish territory.

This step allows the alliance to summon all member states to discuss the security threat and possible joint measures.

⚠️ Important context:

Article 4 does not mean an automatic military response (that’s Article 5).

It can, however, lead to diplomatic pressure, reinforced defenses, troop deployments, or stronger security guarantees for Poland and NATO’s eastern flank.

Poland is part of NATO so this could start World War III. I don’t think it’s very likely, but I don’t think they’re going to just brush this off either. I honestly don’t know what will happen.

I read this earlier and I think it’s the perfect analogy-

“It’s like when you throw something at your sibling but you miss and hit your mom instead and you just freeze and stare at her, waiting for her to do something.”

Update: Poland is considering invoking Article 4.

Under Article 4, NATO members can raise any issue of concern related to territorial integrity, political independence or national security to be discussed among representatives of the member states prior to taking any action.