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My brain has had more thoughts that are questions:
Assuming the Am Tal can successfully finagle an Andorian to Human operation so they can spy on Earth (for normal Am Tal things), how badly would they (the Am Tal) flip out if their operative was caught at whatever point of entry they used because the Humans were hiding some of their non-Human species that look so very Human that even Humans can’t always guess right?
Am Tal operative going through spaceport security when the werewolf/shifter/siren/etc. is like “No, this one is wrong,” to their fellow customs agents. And the customs agents are 100% deferring to that even though all the paperwork is in order and registered and official! Clearly this is a *random* security check.
Non-Human equivalent of Janice the Secretary who chews gum while filing her nails and typing 200 wpm: *Insert Am Tal Agent’s normal Human name here* needs a form BH-90210 at gate 30… I need a form BH-90210 for *ATAnHn* at gate 30.
-Horta-in-Charge
Hello, Horta!
This is outside of my wheelhouse as I don't deal with supernatural creatures outside of myths and folklore in my writings, but I can tell you that in any situation a compromised Am Tal agent - or one who even suspects they may be compromised - would remove themselves from the situation by any means necessary. Yes, any means.
Additionally, the Am Tal would not blindly send in an agent and simply hope they got past Terran security. They would investigate the workings and failings of Terran security, first by sending in perfectly innocuous citizens whose paperwork may be slightly flawed in some minor fashion, with increasingly nuanced changes. By observing the processes through which these individuals are detected and detained, including what attracts more attention and who is most likely to be detained, plans can be made.
Remember that first and foremost, the Am Tal are concerned with the gathering and collation of information. They're not going to throw their version of James Bond to the wolves on Day 1 with zero prep - they're going to observe and quietly probe a target's defences in both the physical and digital realms. Why send an agent when a self-deleting virus will do? Why use a virus when Jim-Bob from Accounting at Big Scary Corporation logged in to work remotely from his far less secure home setup and forgot to terminate the connection properly - and with full admin privileges still enabled too?
Still, entertaining something like the scenario you've proposed, being stopped at a security checkpoint for no reason, particularly in the face of good paperwork - forged or otherwise - would set off dozens of red flags. Depending on the agent's task and whether or not they are carrying physical evidence of Am Tal activity, their options vary. An agent carrying no suspicious materials and having engaged in nothing untoward or illegal would first try to navigate the situation through social means to maintain their cover before resorting to other methods. An agent who was carrying suspicious materials or who had engaged in clandestine activities, however, would not take the risk.
Unfortunately, removing oneself from the situation intact may not always be entirely possible, and the members of the Am Tal are fully prepared to protect their secrets by choosing suicide over capture. At the very least, Am Tal agents do everything in their power to ensure that they cannot be interrogated, but if possible this will be done in such a fashion as to destroy their bodies and all physical evidence besides.
Collateral damage, while far from ideal, is nevertheless considered an acceptable loss so long as operational security is maintained.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Andorians do not fuck around.
Hey, sorry for bothering you so much but can we have some information about the emperor/ imperial family?
My dear, you are not bothering me in the slightest! I adore getting questions, and I absolutely love getting to hear from folks!
The Imperial family is very reclusive compared to most Andorian families, largely due in part to their extremely vigilant security, so very little beyond the bare facts is publicly known about them. Additionally, there's some future Emigre plot stuff involved here, so I shan't reveal all. What I can tell you is this:
To answer your question, the current Emperor of Andoria is Rissithiath th'Zaa'Kor.
Rissithiath th'Zaa'Kor is, as the 'th'' in his name would imply, already bonded and married. I'm sure you've read the dossiers and cultural briefings, but I have found that Humans benefit from a... refresher, I believe is the term you use.
The Imperial quad has produced three daughters at this time, with their first son on the way. I doubt very much that you will ever meet that man, but if you do - and I really must emphasize this - do not refer to him as anything but His Imperial Majesty. Ever. Not even in the extremely unlikely event that you are issued a direct invitation to do otherwise.
I've been reading up on some of your historical inheritance laws where monarchy and rulership are concerned, as you suggested. You might be surprised to learn that the reigning Emperor is not the eldest child of the previous Emperor but actually the youngest son. We do not believe that the order of one's birth alone is enough to qualify one for the throne and its many duties and responsibilities.
Prior to the ascension of Rissithiath th'Zaa'Kor to the throne, the elder son and eldest daughter of the previous Empress were both contenders for the role. No one is entirely certain how it came to be that the youngest son was the one to inherit, as the Imperial Clan never announces such things, but it is generally thought that the eldest daughter stepped aside amicably in favour of a different role. A particularly pernicious rumour claims that there was conflict between the two brothers, however, but I urge you to disregard such nonsense.
The Imperial family knows nothing but unity. It is their way.
You made some interesting assertions in your last communique, which I feel I must correct. The previous Empress was very actively involved in the day-to-day running of their government, it is true. It is also true that the current Emperor is relatively relaxed and delegates a great deal of the powers his mother had previously kept for herself.
I say to you: do not make the mistake of believing that this means our Emperor is negligent or disinterested in his duties.
The primary difference here is that the Emperor prefers to let his most trusted subordinates act with a degree of autonomy that his most revered mother would simply not have permitted.
The former Empress was much beloved, naturally! But one could perhaps venture only in the most private of conversations that she may, perhaps, have given the impression - to the ignorant and uninformed, of course - that she could, at times, struggle to relinquish control over even the smallest of things.
I hasten to add that this is, of course, not my own opinion, but rather something I have overheard spoken by far more indelicate individuals. It is a treasonous sentiment and utterly foolish of these individuals to have breathed life into in the first place, but I trust you see the merit in being given an example of the sorts of sentiments one must not express during your upcoming visit to Andoria.
We do things differently than you are used to on Andoria, and it would be a tragedy for a cultural misstep to bring ruin to what could ultimately be a fruitful alliance.
Truthfully, it is simply that Emperor Rissithiath is more inclined to trust the capabilities of some of his delegates rather more than his mother the Empress was - but one must never forget that the Emperor sees and hears all on Andoria. He is never uninvolved. Indeed, I would not be surprised if he knows of this message before you do.
It is said, not entirely facetiously, that the snow does not shift on Andoria without the Emperor knowing about it beforehand. I believe this completely.
As for these rumours about a secret intelligence service you mention, well, let me tell you-
[Intercepted subspace communique, between [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]. Case file AIG-SF-78889731, extracted and collated under direct Imperial authorization. Reviewed and archived. No further action required.]
How do you think the Andorians view the Romulans through history. Up until the Domion war. And do they ever find out that it was the Romulans who had a part in the conflict between Andorians and Vulcans?
Hello! Thanks for the ask! I'm gonna start with the last question first.
Do the Andorians know that the Romulans escalated tensions between Andoria and Vulcan?
The answer is: not for sure, and not for a long time.
So, Andorians are made aware of a malicious actor in the quadrant during ST:ENT during "Babel One"/"United"/"The Aenar." While I don't believe we get direct confirmation that this entity is the Romulan Star Empire the Andorians are at least aware that there is another party involved.
Do the Andorians know that Romulan agents infiltrated Vulcan? That... depends. Do Andorians in general know? No. Does the Imperial Guard know? Not specifically. Do the Am Tal know? Sort of.
Andorians are made aware of the sabotage of the initial conference, because the murder of an ambassador is very difficult to hide at the best of times - but no one actually sees a Romulan until well after the Earth-Romulan war has ceased.
The Imperial Guard, likewise, knows that there is an adversary manipulating events, but not who that adversary is. The technology is unfamiliar, the readings bizarre - it either matches nothing they've seen before or mimics almost perfectly the expected forms and readings of another known species' technology.
The Am Tal, however, are masters in their field and considered such for good reason. They know something happened within the High Council of Vulcan. They know that there was an outside influence involved, however inexplicably that might seem. They know that the rise in tensions just prior to the formation of the United Coalition of Planets was due to the interference of this outside influence. They do not know anything further. It took years and years of work to glean even the scantest of details about the Romulan Star Empire when they declared war on Earth. (I discuss more about this and the Am Tal in general here.)
Once visual contact with members of the Romulan Star Empire was actually established, however? The Am Tal (and by extension Imperial Guard) were all over that shit. Those reports were combed over and dissected every which way, again and again, until they were utterly exhausted of even the smallest fragments of usable intelligence.
When, eventually, some of the extent of Romulan interference in Andorian and Vulcan history is uncovered, the Andorians read into the situation and made aware of the reports are caught between outrage, a very reluctant respect for a trap well-crafted and well-laid, and a sharp sense of alarm.
What do the Andorians think of Romulans?
Andorians have mixed feelings about Romulans. It's hard not to dislike an Empire that tried to destroy your people and your future allies through manipulation and subterfuge. Still, it must be said that Andorians respect martial competency, and the Romulan Star Empire is a formidable foe.
I also think certain factions of Andorians (such as the Am Tal) respect certain factions of Romulans (such as the Tal Shiar) as worthy adversaries, competent and competitive in their shared fields. This professional regard, however impersonal, may or may not be mutual - it's hard to tell with Romulans.
In the years up to and including the Dominion war, Andorian opinions on Romulans shifted a few times. Sometimes Romulans were cunning foes to outfox. Sometimes they were malicious deceivers who honoured no bargains and feared no reprisals. And, sometimes, they were simply reduced to a far off threat of lesser importance than the much more immediate ones.
Whatever the average Andorian thought of Romulans, however, a common thread remains: Romulans were, are, and likely always would be a threat, a predator waiting for a fraction of a moment of weakness or inattention. That's something Andorians understand well - there are many such predators on their homeworld - but it did create some awkwardness during the temporary alliance formed between the Federation, the Klingons, and the Romulans during the Dominion War.
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hello, I was wondering what your head cannon was on the ahm tal? Also may I ask what your head cannon was, if I didn't already, about the andorians in the andorian incident?
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We'll start with the Am Tal, I think. This is another long one, so details below the cut.
PART 1: The Am Tal
The Am Tal (or Ahm Tal) is effectively the Andorian secret service - their equivalent to the Romulan Tal Shiar, the Vulcan V'Shar, and Earth's Section 31. Canon lore on them is sparse, naturally, but what is there tells us this:
The organization was founded in 1935 on the Andorian colony world of Cimera III. After the founding of the United Federation of Planets, the Am Tal often collaborated with Starfleet Intelligence and the Federation Intelligence Service, both officially and behind-the-scenes, but at all times the Am Tal operated independently of both. Am Tal agents working black-ops would sometimes pass on information to those more visible agencies as "anonymous sources."
The Am Tal did not confine their activities to Andorian territory, contrary to what Federation Intelligence Services/Starfleet Intelligence once believed. They performed whatever operations were deemed essential to the welfare of Andoria and her people throughout the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, up to and including black-ops and wet work. They were regarded as brutally efficient, ruthlessly determined, and they were feared almost as much as the Tal Shiar. A "boogeyman" among the intelligence services, foreign spies, double agents, terrorists and others they deemed as threats would simply "disappear" when the Ahm Tal were around.
Andorian citizens often attribute such incidents to the Ahm Tal, and they are often right.
[sources: Alpha and Beta canon; LUG: The Andorians: Among the Clans, All Our Yesterdays: The Time Travel Sourcebook; Decipher: Aliens]
We also have an excerpt of a fantastic speech from LUG: The Andorians: Among the Clans from a politician regarding the Am Tal. As I harvest canon lore from multiple resources and try to make the jumbled mess make sense, I don't strictly adhere to ATC's lore, but I've always loved this detail:
"I think it tragic that we deny the existence of the Am Tal simply because the Federation doesn't understand what the Am Tal is. They are the most valorous heroes of our age. They die, silently, by the hundreds, saving our lives, protecting our freedom, defending our honor. They mutilate themselves for us. They focus their passion toward noble results. We should honor them. We are not obligated to explain them. Their real names must never be known." - Oshuvas Idrani, public address, Tarsk, 2268
They are noted scientists. They are wealthy merchants. They are adventurous pirates. They are Starfleet officers. Am Tal operatives are everywhere, the "seekers of secrets" and the sworn protectors of Andorian interests. The [Andorian government] denies their existence, despite the fact that 100 members are Am Tal and that the other 200 not only believe in them but want them shut down.
[source: LUG: The Andorians: Among the Clans "Am Tal: The Art of Secrecy"]
Starfleet Intelligence does not manage to confirm the existence of the Am Tal beyond rumour and hearsay until the late 24th century - TNG era, that is.
To help put all of this in context, in Emigre the current year as of the most recent chapter (Ch 47) is 2174.
From this we can conclude a few things.
The Am Tal are very good at what they do. Despite the fact that the average Andorian citizen is well aware of the Am Tal as an entity protecting Andoria's interests, Starfleet Intelligence (and the Federation Intelligence Services branches) can't pin them down for at least another hundred years. That is some impressive operational security from the Am Tal's side of things.
Am Tal operatives are perfectly willing to undergo radical surgeries, including removal of their antennae, for deep cover operations - regardless of whether or not these procedures are reversible. They cultivate a ruthlessness and cold efficiency in their operatives that, frankly, sounds a hell of a lot cooler than Section 31 ever did.
Am Tal are spread throughout the quadrant and have an extensive spy network. They sometimes leave 'anonymous tips' for Federation Intelligence Services (FIS) and Starfleet Intelligence (SI) when they catch wind of something outside of their purview that the Federation might want to look into. No word on whether that courtesy extends to the Vulcans at the time of Emigre, however.
Anyone could be Am Tal. They're not all super soldiers or secret agents slinking about in highly visible uniforms, and their propensity for radical cosmetic alterations means that they slip under the radar with shocking ease. In short, literally anyone anywhere could be an Am Tal informant or operative, and there really isn't a good way to tell for sure.
From there my headcanons are as follows:
The Am Tal are a vast and far-reaching network of spies, informants, assassins, deep cover operatives, and citizens from all walks of life. They recruit anyone, regardless of Clan or status, who can meet their stringent requirements for loyalty, ruthlessness, and competence, and who are willing to make the sacrifices necessary to serve Andoria.
There are many different kinds of Am Tal operatives as well, and a broad array of skills are required to serve Andoria and her people. Not every operative is a fierce warrior or possesses genius-level intellect, though the organization will certainly go out of its way to recruit such individuals if it can. Their ranks include merchants, scientists, engineers, freighter captains, shipyard workers, domestic service employees, clerks, media specialists, and more.
The Am Tal do not as an organization shy away from black-ops and wet work when it's needed, but it is not their first choice for dealing with problems. Their biggest priority is actually information-gathering, collation, analysis, and dissemination. A wealth of knowledge - particularly knowledge no one else wants one to have - wins wars as surely as a knife in the dark can topple nations. Moreover, dead men tell no tales and while death is certainly an option, Am Tal would much rather extract every ounce of information possible first before considering more final alternatives. They're not always picky about how they go about this, but finesse over brute force is the Am Tal's preferred modus operandi.
Part of the reason behind Am Tal's success is their operatives' willingness to do whatever it takes to preserve their covers. If they even suspect they're at risk of discovery, they disappear - and with their propensity for surgical alterations, quite effectively at that. Faking their own deaths is common, especially to estrange themselves from relatives who might pose problems in the future. In extreme circumstances, compromised operatives will self-terminate in such a way that their bodies and identifiers are destroyed as completely and thoroughly as possible. This is meant as a last resort only, and officials within the Am Tal are careful to neither condone nor discourage the act.
During the Earth-Romulan War (2156-2160), the Am Tal had limited success in gleaning information about Romulans, which was more than anyone else in the Federation had managed - but even so, it was hardly anything at all. Their file on Romulans and the Romulan spy network is threadbare at best in the current year, but it's all the Federation has to work with beyond the Enterprise incident reports.
The file, such as it was, was left anonymously on the Section Chief of Starfleet Intelligence's desk early one morning. Upon the isochip's discovery, the security footage or digital logs for the entire building were pulled, but upon review there was simply nothing there that shouldn't have been. Everyone involved agreed that the footage and records must have been tampered with, but no one could figure out how.
There are a number of Clans on Andoria (and its colonies) which have some association or another with the Am Tal, but not one of them have a provable tie to the shadowy organization. Rumour and hearsay at best are all that countless investigations have turned up. That doesn't stop the general population from making a few assumptions, however - better safe than dead is a rule to live by, on Andoria. Clans that have garnered such a reputation are generally treated with caution, since one never quite knows *who* exactly they are speaking to once Am Tal factor into the equation, but so long as the Clan's members are law-abiding citizens that's as far as it goes.
PART 2: The Andorian Incident!
The Andorians in the Andorian Incident are Commander Thy'lek Shran, Thon, Keval, and Tholos. As far as I know, we're never given the ranks of the other three, but I suspect Tholos was possibly a lieutenant.
Generally speaking, I have a few headcanons about these four, but I haven't really sat down and fleshed them out properly.
Shran is the most well-fleshed out character, having gotten the most screen time of the bunch. Where he's concerned, I mostly have headcanons about his departure from the Andorian Imperial Guard and subsequent poor lifestyle choices from a man who previously had been shown to be a competent and reasonable commander and negotiator. Something about that doesn't quite track, for me. It's generally agreed that he left the Guard out of guilt and shame for the fate of the Kumari, though I don't believe anyone else blamed him necessarily. The Marauder was a nasty piece of work, specifically designed to be a ship-killer, and it wasn't anything that anyone else in the quadrant had run up against before. It would have taken a miracle to save the Kumari once Shran's ship was the last one standing after the initial ambush. Certainly, there would be repercussions for the loss of the Andorian ambassador and the rest of the complement, but I don't think those repercussions would have been Shran's to bear, at least not entirely. He not only survived but saved as many of his crew as he could - and, more importantly, he lived long enough to negotiate a treaty in the ambassador's stead and be debriefed, despite his recklessness in his grief and the diplomatic shit-show that was the ushaan duel. The man has insane luck in the worst way - he has a weird tendency to be in the right place at the the right time, usually while he's also up to his antennae in problems and active firefights.
Tholos seems to be Shran's second in command, and he seems very comfortable following Shran into potentially volatile situations, from P'Jem to Corridan. That alone makes me think the two have known each other for years, or at least served together long enough to build up trust in the other's instincts. I headcanon Tholos as Shran's chief of security on the Kumari. Now, Tholos gets a bad reputation for creeping on T'Pol during The Andorian Incident which... fair. I personally think that the threats were empty, because something about Tholos' tone and word choice makes me think he's actually repulsed by Vulcans. His antennae, certainly, were not indicating any kind of fixation or arousal beyond sharp attention, which lends some credence to the idea that he was trying to provoke T'Pol, the other Vulcans, or the Enterprise landing party into giving something away. Since that didn't produce any of the desired results, he didn't bother with a second attempt, which a genuine creeper almost certainly would have. Remember that the Andorian squad was searching for evidence of a listening post, and as usual the monks were less than helpful. Provoking a response at this point - any response- would have been at least some kind of progress, since the Andorians had very clearly run out of momentum just as the Enterprise landing party arrived. Don't get me wrong - still creepy as fuck, but the possibility of tactical creeping makes me think that Tholos is the sort to actively look for weaknesses to exploit, maybe even habitually. He very well could be the sort who turns this on his own friends at times, with keen observations and cutting words that have become almost second-nature. In short, Tholos is an asshole but he's not that kind of asshole.
Keval, by comparison, we only see operating scanners and helping to search the monastery, which makes me think he might be a tech specialist or possibly an engineer. He doesn't get much in the way of screen time but even so Keval doesn't appear to be impulsive and we don't see any indication of a cruel streak like we do with Tholos. I headcanon Keval as a more measured sort of man, more likely to step back to assess rather than leap forward and react. He might be on the quieter side, as Andorians go, of a thoughtful disposition otherwise. When he's not searching Vulcan monasteries for secret lairs, I imagine he's the sort to enjoy tinkering with the systems under his care to improve their yield and efficiency when he has time.
Thon is the one we know the least about canonically, as he has no dialogue and is kind of just... there. He participates in the firefight, follows orders, and generally exists in the background. I'd say probably part of the Kumari's security complement under Tholos' command. I like to imagine Thon as an easy-going sort of guy, when he's not on a mission to suss out super secret Vulcan spy lairs, though he's by no means a pushover - the sort to enjoy wilderness hikes and hitting local dive bars.
