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One of the things I have seen lit/book bloggers talk about --- particularly lit/book bloggers who are women who blog in english who are ethnically othered in their society (such as WOC in America, but that’s just one slice of the world’s ethnic/cultural/religious Other pie) --- is how important it is for them to have everyone be WHITE in these romance fantasies, especially THE FEMALE LEAD, because as soon as intersectional issues enter the game, the whole house of cards in this fantasy collapses.

I’d go one step further and say that the woman has to be a cis-gendered feminine woman else ... there goes the house of cards in this particular form of HIGHLY GENDERED HET ROMANCE.

And, yes, I can see it as a form of feminism but it is not mine and doesn’t address my needs, never has and never will without A LOT OF TROPE REVISION and/or REPLACEMENT.  Which means I can be totally behind this kind of romance as empowering while also saying that it reads like unintended horror fiction when anything hits too close to home. It’s an intersectional problem. It is so many problems. Basically, one size does not fit all, but I cheer for whomever it does fit while trying to figure out how to make it work for me (because then it will also work for more people too).

Somewhere this all gets back to many discussions I’ve had in fandom about why certain het ships work for me but most popular het ships fail and fail hard. I’m also thankful to decades of fandom pushing boundaries on romance fiction (mostly fanfic but, as I have heard, in actual original fiction too) such that it has spaces that are addressing intersectional relationships, queer relationships, etc., in manners that keep the notion of escapism and empowering fantasy but make it work so folks like myself don’t backclick or put the book down 300 words in because we’ve had to NOPE the fuck out. 

I cannot begin to describe how hard I’ve had to NOPE out of so much Het fanfic written from the female character’s POV because someone else’s escapist empowerment reads to me as the HORROR, the horrrorrrr. I have spent a decade talking to people similar-in-various-ways to myself in fandom about our experiences with this, coming up with alternate definitions for female-focused escapism in romance, about why we often prefer M/M or F/F fic, and even coming up with an entire theory-in-the-making about shipping as affordances.

And while I hesitate on posting this on tumblr ... some of my upcoming Dirge meta (which gets post on a side blog but is reposted to my main blog) talks about two M/F ships that actually work for me and they “work” for Very Different Reasons.  (note that “work” is in quotes for Reasons).

I sort of suspect that if I listed all the het ships across all the fandoms where the ship works (it is not a long list, tbh), I could almost certainly cluster them all into two, maybe three categories. .... thinking I might want to do this...

Just wanted to say that for years I have found discussions about real world analogies for the ethnicity and nationalities of DA characters both interesting and frustrating.

It is interesting because, as you said early, Thedas is a pot of mixed cultures, concepts, and races, and two people can come to two different conclusions that both have valid evidence in the lore. 

But it is also frustrating because sometimes people insists on absolutes when, as you know, there are no perfect analogies in Thedas. And then add in all the fanwank (and micro-aggressions, bigotry, whitewashing).

In the end there aren’t straightforward answers although I have seen many frustrating instances where fans talk over minorities and POCs of any kind, including people who might not use the term POC, because the term “POC” is very american and doesn’t always map to situations outside of america, plus it  doesn’t really seem to have accepted categories for american people who aren’t american-white but aren’t latin@, black, or east asian.

So, using your definition, whenever a fan doesn’t map to the american concept of “yep, that’s a white person, no doubt there,” (which is similar to the british and northern european concept of white and seems, from what I have heard, *very* similar to an australian concept), I have seen far too many frustrating moments in which the non-white fan (again, using your definition) is told by fandom “nope, you are wrong to interpret this character as [insert a not-white category here] because I clearly see him/her as white, therefore they are white.”

I always find this frustrating because things just aren’t that simple and the non-white fan of a piece of English-language media always appears able to present at least one valid reasons for interpreting the character the way they do. Meanwhile white fandom (as a whole, beyond DA fandom) often tends to see characters in english language media as Default White no matter how the character is described (Hermione, for instance, although characters from the Hunger Games are far better examples of this). Even people who aren’t white but who live in white-majority/dominated nations end up carrying around a lot of white worldview baggage in their personal knapsacks that they are still unpacking. 

Don’t really know what else to say beyond wishing that it was less frustrating for everyone in DA fandom (and other english-language fandoms) to accept and respect the diversity of interpretations that fans make when looking for representation among the characters who read as not white or not quite white.