#*stannis baratheon

Hi, thank you!

No, they are not. I think Stannis is viewed as a “bad guy” in some kind of way, or maybe that’s the impression I get from the adaptation. The limited screen time, the sloppy writing, the misinterpretation of the character, has definitely had its impact on the show. If you ask viewers non-readers what they think or feel about Stannis, it would go from meh, to who? to I hate him. I don't mind if people don't like him, or don't care about him, but there's definitely an inaccurate depiction of the character on the show, and I feel that has quite an impact on the viewers' opinion. Most of the time I don't even remember him. His show counterpart is kinda irrelevant. Melisandre's construction as a character is something I can't explain. I don't really know how they can make her so bland so reduced to be the hot woman in red, and pretty much provide nothing for the actress to work with. I just don'¡t know how to explain it. With a little bit of touches here and there, and perhaps reconstructing the characters with their ADWD counterparts would improve them immensely.

About their acting, I'm gonna ask you to take a look at some of the past reviews since I can't provide the proper links right now. I think they both need to step up their game though.

lavender-and-creme said: If they were less stingy with the screen time given to Team Dragonstone it wouldn’t have been so cluttered last week. Hopefully they’ll get more focus at the Wall since Jon will be there too.

Yep. The amount of information they dropped in just one scene of theirs was a lot for the pacing.

Hi! 

I never said there should be more Shae. I said I like her as a character, but the time taken to develop her in the finale, was wasted screen time, and should have been used for other characters. Not only that but the scene should have been cut in half, and placed in any other of the last 3 or 4 episodes. So, I think you read wrong there.

Same with Daenerys. I keep saying there should be less of her. I said her entire scene in the finale should have been replaced for what they showed of her in episode 9, leaving that episode exclusively to the stories developed, mostly RW of course. And I can’t fool myself to believe that they wouldn’t have included Dany in the season finale. They are going to do that just because they are selling her as the lead character, after Tyrion. So, I figured there’s no way around it. They weren’t going to give to whole episode to the RW’s ramifications, no matter how much you and I wanted it. I’m trying to reconcile their views (what they have been doing on the show), with a few (of my) ideas that would make the episode more even, and better paced. I like very much your idea of the Mhysa scene getting pushed to the 4th season. But not before a major modification of the scene. From scale, to extras, to dialogue, to acting, to the white savior connotations, and the rest.

Davos, Melisandre and Stannis couldn’t probably be reduced more. I mean, whether you like them or not, you can’t say there’s too much of them. Those last scenes, were needed to develop future storylines that are MAJOR. So, they needed their spot in the story. The only time I thought the scene was futile, was with Davos and Gendry. Which I said in the review. So, there instead of that scene, there could have been more focus to the RW aftermath or something else.

Jaime and Brienne, are a “profitable” duo for the show. Meaning their scenes have been the high point in this season, for most of it anyway, in terms of writing, character development, and to some extent adaptation. That of course, till the bear pit. I think I would have replaced one unnecessary scene of the finale, with at least one of theirs, or Cersei and Jaime, or Cersei herself.But I understand if they are not everyone’s cup of tea (actually they weren’t even mine before the season started).

I would have too preferred the episode focusing on the RW repercussions, but the whole episode? No. And let’s face it, if they didn’t even give more screen time to it in episode 9, the episode of the RW, then why would they give it that much screen time when the action is already worn out? And let’s not forget this is a season finale. So they have to have as many cliffhangers from different characters before the end, including Stannis’ reaction to the RW. Even if they in reality didn’t provide as many.

I think my points in the review, try to reconcile what the show offers, to what it could be added to improve the pacing, the excitement, the variety, and of course the cliffhangers. If anything, this season finale shows that, too much of one thing, it’s always tiring, repetitive and boring. I’m all in for more Starks, they are my favourites, and I don’t lie about it. But a season finale with just them, it wouldn’t have worked, and would have pissed fans of the other characters.

This is a reader? I can’t believe that! I would get it from a non reader point of view, because basically the show is depicting Stannis horribly, and that’s probably the idea I would get (more or less) from him. But, every reader knows Dany and Stannis sort of have some parallels, but while she’s the entitled child, Stannis can’t shut up about duty, and how duty forces him to take the throne and how that’s his obligation towards the realm and his family (dead and present), which doesn't exclude entitlement. Daenerys surely feels she has to take the throne because in some way she feels that’s the right thing to do, since it was taken from her family wrongly. Whether either case has any sort of basis in reality, that’s another thing. But it’s Daenerys and her lack of experience as a ruler/queen/leader that puts her in the places she’s at. It’s her childish and inexperienced self, that doesn’t let her see, she is not the solution for many of the problems others have. Stannis has experience as a Lord, and he from that point tries to rule, which he doesn’t always do in the best way. He is stubborn, when she is capricious. Both of them think they own the crown, not deserve it. They both think is their right to own it, for different, yet close reasons.

“I should be king because the throne is mine!” I would think a big part of his ideas is missing here, and that it was done with the purpose of supporting this explanation/point/idea. “I should be king because the throne is mine by right!” That last part is referred to his duty, and yet his entitlement.

And Daenerys doesn't free slaves in order to deserve the crown. And if we were to affirm that, we would be removing a big "justification" of her actions. So, it does more harm to her, than the writer intended to do. Basically this writer is saying, she's using the slaves to glorify herself, which in some point is true, but honestly, her idea is that she feels identified with them, and therefore wants to free them.

I mean we can certainly make a lot more digging here, but the point is, the writer is trying to enhance Dany as opposed to Stannis, and in the process is sort of bringing them both down, without noticing. I said it before, you can't criticize Stannis without inadvertently doing the same for Dany, or you can't love her cause, without loving his.

They are both flawed in different ways, and they both did good things for people.

hi anon.

You mean Blackwater scene? Him fighting at King’s Landing (episode 9 season 2)? If so, then I completely agree. That’s Stannis, and that’s when I started liking Stannis personally. It was a great scene, good performance, and it showed who Stannis is. Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree.

Oh wait, you said last episode. Then you mean the scene of him looking at the fire with Melisandre? Oh well, I like that scene too. Extracted from the book, and well represented. I liked it.

Don’t pay attention to me, I thought I read “season 2” somewhere in your ask. My bad! You mean the scenes with Selyse and Shireen. I agree tbh. He was well represented in those ones. It was a good way to show Stannis without following the book word by word. I love that we finally got his family on the show, and they are important. After all everything Stannis does, he does it for his daughter.

Excuse my lack of reading comprehension, I’m juggling 3 things at once here.