i think we need more acearo lens on kris's behaviour through the chapters
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i think we need more acearo lens on kris's behaviour through the chapters

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i knew it from the start
You, a fool, when characters state different or contradictory things about backstory events or how the world works: This is a plot hole!
Me, wise, enlightened: Not so, neophyte. Have you considered all the exhaustive possibilities in which one of these characters simply has no idea what they are talking about, or better yet, is a fucking liar?
Chapter 5 spoilers!
So, now that it's finally been outright confirmed that Shadow Crystals are lost dreams, and people might actually listen when I talk about the theory, I thought I might go over some of the stuff about them that we'd already figured out, especially since I've seen a lot of people not really understanding what Seam meant, or the mechanics of the Shadow Crystal's creation. Even at this very moment, there are scores of people who still think the Knight is handing out Shadow Crystals like fucking Santa Claus.
And, while I'm here, I'd like to refine my old theory on the topic. A lot of this post will be me restating stuff I already said back in January when I originally posted my Shadow Crystal theory but slightly better.
Crystal origins
Shadow Crystals appear with or on Darkners with a strong link to the broken dream of a Lightner. Spamton's crystal, for example, came from Mettaton's dream of having a new body. Seam tells us Spamton found the crystal inside the NEO body, which is the Dark World manifestation of the paint file that Mettaton drew his ideal body in. Because of his strong feelings about the drawing, and the broken dream attached to it, when the Dark Fountain was created, a shadow crystal was created inside it.
We know where Spamton, Mew Mew and Gerson's crystals came from almost for sure. Spamton's came from Mettaton's dream, manifesting in the NEO body. Pink's came from Maddy and her transgender dream, manifesting in the Mew Mew doll. Gerson's came from Alvin's dream of writing, manifesting in his father's dust.
The Knight and Jevil's crystals, I don't really know for certain. It's highly probable the Knight's crystal came from themself, since they are a Lightner, but it's hard to say what their dream was. After this chapter, it's basically confirmed that the Knight is the "fallen star" from the peculiar book, so we can apply all the bitter tears lore to them here. That's all super cryptic though, so there isn't really any conclusions to draw from it.
Jevil's crystal we have even less information about. The only possibility I've been able to think of is that he took the Shadow Crystal from Seam, who might have been linked to Asriel's dream, given they appear on his desktop. But we are long overdue for a lore dump on the school, with Ralsei and the Grand Fountain being located there, so we might learn more about Jevil then.
The strange someone's identity
While certainly no one handing out Shadow Crystals, there is definitely a certain someone who is suspiciously linked to them. The "strange someone" who met with Jevil. The mysterious voice over the phone who made a deal with Spamton. Gerson's feeling of "someone want[ing him] to use [the shadow crystal]".
I, personally, am fully of the belief that this person is Friend. They're one of the only people known to be able to travel between dark worlds, and the "garbage noise" on the other side of the phone is a file called "mus_smile", from Entry 17, to which Friend is tangentially linked thanks to its status as part of the DEVICE. Whenever someone else picks up the phone, there's no one on the other side, and the phone in the Z-rank room is unplugged. Friend is known to inhabit machines, like the vending machine in the S-Rank room and the MANTLE game. Spamton's glasses are coloured after its eyes, they appear in Queen's basement near the second Shadow Crystal, and in the MANTLE Game, where we're hunting for the means to reach the third. Also they are pink and yellow and a cat. Like Pink. But uh. That last one isn't really evidence of anything. Anyway, it's also a neat explanation for their name, "Friend". Jevil's friend, Spamton's friend, your friend.
Wait but if they aren't handing out the crystals then what are they doing
Short answer: I have no idea.
But I have some thoughts, and it can't hurt to lay down the evidence.
Let's go over all the confirmed things Friend (I'm just going to say Friend from here. Even if you don't think it's them, I'd just get tired of writing "strange someone" over and over) has done.
First of all, they met with Jevil. They told him about the nature of the world, and he went of the rails. At some point, he acquired the Shadow Crystal, before being locked away by Seam. Jevil also displays future knowledge, which may have been given to him by Friend.
They talked with Spamton over the phone for a long time, and gave him advice that made him into a big shot (likely more future knowledge), until Spamton was about to sign his contract with Tenna, when Friend said something over the phone that scared him, before ending their support and ruining Spamton's life. Spamton began praying to the NEO body, hoping it would make him big again, so there might be a link there. Interestingly, they continued to talk to him over the phone at least until he was evicted from Queen's mansion. Then, of course, they show up to watch us in the basement.
In chapter 3, they give us the OddController, and appear in the MANTLE game. Watching us, and attacking us in the ERAM fight. (I've heard people suggest before that Friend is trying to help us in that fight by dropping heals, but it actually doesn't even drop heals unless you've died at least once. So definitely trying to make the fight harder, but the chance for heals goes up as you die, so maybe they're lenient?) Personally, I think ERAM is Friend, so I'd add giving us the Shadow Mantle and provoking Kris into a fight to that list as well. They also probably appear in the vending machine, and smile at us, saying "Always at your humble service".
In chapter 4, all they do is pop up in a hallway, and give Gerson the feeling the someone wanted him to use the Shadow Crystal.
They do literally nothing in chapter 5 besides show up in a random corner and give us a whack.
It's hard to draw a motive from all this, especially all the Spamton and Jevil stuff. They have to have been playing the long game.
Based on Spamton's dialogue, particularly that one monologue about "[[Communion]] WITH [[Unintelligible Laughter]]", it seems like he and Jevil had similar deals with Friend, and possibly the Knight as well. He talks about surpassing Jevil, and is threatened(?) when he mentions the Knight.
The main question to be asking is, what did Friend get out of this deal? They made Spamton a big shot, gave Jevil forbidden knowledge, all that, but what did they ask for in return? It might be nothing. Maybe they did it for "free", and just had some hidden ulterior motive.
My only real working theory for their goal is that they're trying to test us somehow. Setting up strong bosses to guard the Shadow Crystals, encouraging Gerson to use his to fight us, and leading us to the Shadow Mantle to give us a chance against the Knight... But ERAM was pretty obviously doing that already. And it doesn't really explain why they would interact so heavily with Spamton and Jevil. Without knowing the terms of their deals, it might just be impossible to say.
Yeah that's about it really we still don't know that much about the shadow crystals
Yeah, I don't have a great explanation for why Friend's doing any of this shit. Honestly, this is still extremely similar to my original post. Pretty much the only development we got about the Shadow Crystals in chapter 5 was confirmation of everything I already knew. And, just like last time, I invite anyone reading to try and think of some possible motives for our strange someone. Maybe some Spamton lore experts out there will know what he was paying to be a big shot, idk. I didn't even read the Q&A or recheck the sweepstakes for info, might be something there.
That's the end.
seam you cant say stuff like that

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If you loop round on this section Ralsei says this...
Ugh. Parallels.
Chapter 5 spoilers
So, how many of my old theories survived chapter 5?
Big Shot Knight Theory: ❌ Debunked. Unfortunate, I really loved this theory. Hopefully the idea of a darkner with a lightner soul still comes up, I thought that was pretty cool. But now the Knight is confirmed to have existed long before Kris lost their Soul.
Darkner Flowey Theory: ❓ Yeah IDK. The idea was that Flowey was basically a Darkner, since his creation with a DT injection was very similar to the creation of a Dark Fountain. This still somewhat holds up, I think? The Plantners are more examples of flower Darkners, but they are very different from Flowey. IDK on this one.
UNUSED Vessel: ❌ Even more dead than it already was. Dang.
Susie Dies: ++ Ralsei praying for her is definitely more evidence. Not much more there though.
Santa Knight: ❌ Hmmm..... Probably dead. I can think of a couple ways it could live, but they're more out there. More out there. Than Santa Knight. RIP in peace, my favourite theory I've ever made. You were a real one.
"I know what the shadow crystals are": ✅ CONFIRMED. HAH. YOU ALL THOUGHT I WAS STUPID. "It has to be from the Knight, they gave everyone these shadow crystals you can't deny it shut up" Well HAH. I was right. FULLY. ON THE NOSE. NO NOTES. PERFECT THEORY. I WIN.
5 o'clock Shadow Theory: ❓ Well. The shadow did not grow in this chapter. But the theory still works if you start the clock at 0:00 instead of 1:00. The shadow just needs to grow at the beginning of chapter 6. Which seems likely, since we've got all the crystals, and there's a solid chance we'll go back to Castle town at the beginning of the chapter again. Still no idea what the shadow "growing serpentine" could mean.
Card timeline theory: ✅ CONFIRMED. HAH. Another win for swissprime. The drawing in Sans's workshop DOES represent the timeline. If you're nice to Ralsei, Susie draws a fourth person on the card, breaking the timeline. In the weird route, she still draws 3, but a different 3 to the normal route. Because the weird route is "broken off, but still locked". I win, yay haha.
Colour Theory: ❓ Yeah I don't think anything changed on this one.
Welp two confirmed theories is enough for me. Even if I only got four spaces on my bingo card I still think this is a win overall.
Okay I'm so fucking furious actually.
*Cries* Thank you *Hugs you* Thank you *Shakes in your arms like a little British orphan boy in the middle of January who has no money for a coat* Thank you so much
i wish ralsei and lancer’s dynamic was talked about more because this is very Cute and Lovely to me. brother and sister. prince(ss)ly pals even
“lancer’s personality is so fun. he always insults ralsei, but like, he doesn’t know what an insult is. so he only says nice things. because he really likes him.”

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Chapter 5 spoilers
Yeah sounds about right
Chapter 5 spoilers
Ok. So. Darkness = water, remember?
Normal route: Susie holding Noelle above the water, protecting her from getting wet. Because Susie has, up until the end of chapter 5, kept Noelle away from the dark worlds. Weird route: Kris and Noelle descending together into the depths. Yeah.
Chapter 5 spoilers!!
is anyone going to talk about how god damn pretty they are with it this chapter
my diva...
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Hey so Susie hearing Noelle's heartbeat definitely proves monsters have blood right
That rabbit kid is just a fucking dumbass
This is a theory that I have had concepts of a for a WHILE, but I felt like making a proper post for it after being reminded recently.
The theory centers around this:
The "Don't forget" card in Sans's workshop.
(Let's just assume "Sans is from Deltarune" theory. I don't need to go over all that.)
This card is very, VERY interesting to me. Because it's almost certainly created at the END of Deltarune, before being brought over to the Undertale universe. Because we see it in Undertale, the creation of this drawing is 100% guaranteed to happen at some point in the story of Deltarune. It's literally predetermined.
If something were to change in Deltarune's timeline, this card might be altered. It might not even exist. And yet... It does. No matter what we do in Deltarune, this card will always be the same. I mean, of course it will. Nothing you do in Deltarune can affect Undertale.
But if Undertale comes AFTER Deltarune, at least from Sans's perspective, then... By all rights, it should. Why doesn't it?
Because there's only one way Deltarune can end.
If Sans has experienced the ending... Then changing the ending would be changing Sans, which we cannot do. Because Undertale is already out, obviously.
Besides this being an explanation for the whole "only one ending" thing, and also proof of its factuality, it opens up some very interesting possibilities for motivations of a hypothetical architect of the prophecy.
Now, I could probably pull something out of my ass about Gaster, and preserving his home timeline, which would honestly be super cool, but I just... don't think he wrote the prophecy. None of his dialogue gives that idea at all, he's all *about* choice. The vessel, the weird route, the shadow crystals... He does everything he can to support our divergences. It's everyone else who says "your choices don't matter". Our mere existence is a threat to the preordained future, why the hell would he bring us here if he didn't want that? Feel free to theorize about that yourself if you're in that camp, though.
...I kind of have no idea who else could have written the prophecy though. So I guess all I've accomplished here is bringing up evidence for a theory I don't believe. Maybe it's some sort of natural force, to preserve the timeline and avoid paradoxes? Ralsei did say the prophecy was foretold by time and space, that sounds like "the universe did it" to me.
...Eh, that needs more thought. I'm not here to talk about the prophecy. I just thought this was cool. Maybe next time I'll think a bit harder on this.
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I WAS FUCKING RIGHT
I WAS FUCKING RIGHT AND YOU TOLD ME "2 NOTES"
IUQHWDHAWDFHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
THE CARD
IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THREE PEOPLE ON IT
KRIS. SUSIE. NOELLE.
BUT BECAUSE WE WERE NICE TO RALSEI
IT FUCKING CHANGED
SUSIE PUT RALSEI ON THE CARD
IT. FUCKING. CHANGED.
Because we were nice to Ralsei, we changed something that should have been predetermined.
The card represents the PROPHECY. I ALWAYS FUCKING KNEW THIS. I'M a GOD DAMN genius and you need to appreciate all my posts ever FUCK. YOU.
And the best fucking part is that the thing that changed the prophecy is BEING NICE TO RALSEI
OH MY FUCKING GOD.
He was wrong :333333333333
it's not about him being nice to everyone
we have to be nice to HIM. The more he respects himself, and comes into his own as a person, the more the prophecy changes.

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I WANT YOU DEAD
If this fucking freak becomes a tumblr sexyman I'll commit murder
I HATE HIM
This is a theory that I have had concepts of a for a WHILE, but I felt like making a proper post for it after being reminded recently.
The theory centers around this:
The "Don't forget" card in Sans's workshop.
(Let's just assume "Sans is from Deltarune" theory. I don't need to go over all that.)
This card is very, VERY interesting to me. Because it's almost certainly created at the END of Deltarune, before being brought over to the Undertale universe. Because we see it in Undertale, the creation of this drawing is 100% guaranteed to happen at some point in the story of Deltarune. It's literally predetermined.
If something were to change in Deltarune's timeline, this card might be altered. It might not even exist. And yet... It does. No matter what we do in Deltarune, this card will always be the same. I mean, of course it will. Nothing you do in Deltarune can affect Undertale.
But if Undertale comes AFTER Deltarune, at least from Sans's perspective, then... By all rights, it should. Why doesn't it?
Because there's only one way Deltarune can end.
If Sans has experienced the ending... Then changing the ending would be changing Sans, which we cannot do. Because Undertale is already out, obviously.
Besides this being an explanation for the whole "only one ending" thing, and also proof of its factuality, it opens up some very interesting possibilities for motivations of a hypothetical architect of the prophecy.
Now, I could probably pull something out of my ass about Gaster, and preserving his home timeline, which would honestly be super cool, but I just... don't think he wrote the prophecy. None of his dialogue gives that idea at all, he's all *about* choice. The vessel, the weird route, the shadow crystals... He does everything he can to support our divergences. It's everyone else who says "your choices don't matter". Our mere existence is a threat to the preordained future, why the hell would he bring us here if he didn't want that? Feel free to theorize about that yourself if you're in that camp, though.
...I kind of have no idea who else could have written the prophecy though. So I guess all I've accomplished here is bringing up evidence for a theory I don't believe. Maybe it's some sort of natural force, to preserve the timeline and avoid paradoxes? Ralsei did say the prophecy was foretold by time and space, that sounds like "the universe did it" to me.
...Eh, that needs more thought. I'm not here to talk about the prophecy. I just thought this was cool. Maybe next time I'll think a bit harder on this.
CHAPTER 5 SPOILERS !!! WATCH OUT !!! WATCH OUT !!
I WAS FUCKING RIGHT
I WAS FUCKING RIGHT AND YOU TOLD ME "2 NOTES"
IUQHWDHAWDFHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
THE CARD
IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THREE PEOPLE ON IT
KRIS. SUSIE. NOELLE.
BUT BECAUSE WE WERE NICE TO RALSEI
IT FUCKING CHANGED
SUSIE PUT RALSEI ON THE CARD
IT. FUCKING. CHANGED.
Because we were nice to Ralsei, we changed something that should have been predetermined.
The card represents the PROPHECY. I ALWAYS FUCKING KNEW THIS. I'M a GOD DAMN genius and you need to appreciate all my posts ever FUCK. YOU.
And the best fucking part is that the thing that changed the prophecy is BEING NICE TO RALSEI
OH MY FUCKING GOD.
He was wrong :333333333333
it's not about him being nice to everyone
we have to be nice to HIM. The more he respects himself, and comes into his own as a person, the more the prophecy changes.