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Was Frerard Real? (Tarot)

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Before we get into today’s reading, I want to make one thing very clear. This is a tarot reading for entertainment purposes only. Tarot doesn’t provide objective proof of real events and it isn’t a tool for confirming rumors or exposing anyone’s private life. What we’re exploring today is the energy surrounding a connection, not factual evidence or hidden truths.

Today we’re looking at Gerard Way and Frank Iero and specifically focusing on their years together in the band (from 2002 to 2012) a period where fans often speculated there might have been something more than friendship between them.

Now, when I say “something more,” I’m not going into this reading assuming romance, nor am I going to try to debunk it. I’m leaving that at the door for you guys to interpret.  We’re going to let the cards describe the relationship in their own language. 

So as always, keep an open mind, let the cards tell their story!

9 of Pentacles

The first thing that catches my attention is that neither of them enters this connection looking to be completed by the other. They both come across as independent, almost protective of their own identities. That’s actually why the rumors surrounding them are so interesting, because whatever existed between them wasn’t born out of loneliness. If there was affection here, it developed between two people who already had lives, ambitions and a strong sense of self. There’s also a subtle layer of admiration. I don’t necessarily think this is romantic on its own but I do think they appreciated qualities in each other that they didn’t easily find elsewhere.

6 of Cups

There’s genuine fondness here, like the kind that makes you laugh at inside jokes from years ago, finish each other’s words and know how the other person thinks. Whether people interpreted that closeness romantically or not, I’d completely understand why they would. This isn’t some cold professional partnership (obviously) but rather a relationship built on years of shared experiences from long drives, hotel rooms, rehearsals and growing up together under unusual circumstances.

Knight of Pentacles Reversed

Whatever this relationship was, it doesn’t feel like it was trying to evolve into something else. If there were moments where emotions became complicated, one or both of them simply…didn’t move. Things stayed where they were so it’s also possible they prioritized the band’s stability over exploring anything that might complicate it. This feels like choosing familiarity over risk if I make sense.

10 of Pentacles Reversed

People often assume closeness automatically means there was some sort of secret romance but this card feels more like the opposite problem: reality getting in the way. So imagine long term partners, marriage, expectations, family, careers etc. There are too many established structures surrounding both of them. Even if confusing feelings ever surfaced, there were already entire lives being built elsewhere. It makes the connection feel…limited by circumstance.

8 of Swords Reversed

Someone becomes aware of their own thoughts and starts breaking out of a mental loop. I don’t know that this necessarily means that someone confessed their love. It feels more like finally understanding what this relationship actually is instead of projecting possibilities onto it. If there was confusion, this card suggests it eventually settled into clarity.

4 of Wands

This is probably why the public latched onto them so intensely. They genuinely looked happy together, like two people who genuinely enjoyed sharing a stage and a life on the road. There’s a celebratory quality here that makes me think they brought out the best in each other creatively. 

Temperance

Whatever this relationship was, it found a balance that somehow worked for years. They understood each other’s personalities. One may have been more impulsive while the other naturally balanced things out. There was compromise, patience and mutual respect. Honestly, this is making me lean more toward emotional compatibility than hidden romance. Some relationships are simply profound without fitting neatly into romantic labels.

The Magician Reversed

This is the card that makes me question perception in general. So, were people just projecting onto them? Were the two of them intentionally playing into the chemistry because they knew audiences loved it? Orrr were they simply two naturally charismatic performers whose closeness became exaggerated by everyone watching? I don’t think this card is saying there was deception. I think it says appearances deserve a good second look.

8 of Pentacles Reversed

I don’t actually think this points toward romance falling apart. It’s more like periods where they stopped investing in the relationship outside of work. Touring, recording, personal lives, marriages- allll of it demands time. There are moments where maintaining even close friendships becomes difficult. This feels like two people whose connection occasionally suffered simply because life became overwhelming.

10 of Cups

I feel like people wonder what they both had was transactional (if you know what im hinting at) and I don’t think this is saying that. Whether they were just best friends, brothers in everything but blood or even briefly wandered into a situationship lmao, there is real affection underneath this card. It’s almost wholesome. There’s a sense of emotional fulfillment that doesn’t require romance to be meaningful. I actually think this is one of the reasons people around them might have wondered if something more existed. 

King of Swords

This card makes me think someone is making a conscious decision. By the end of the band era, emotion gives way to logic- so reality wins. Their lives continue (marriage, children, priorities etc). If there were ever unanswered questions between them, I actually think they stayed unanswered because someone chose clarity over possibility. That doesn’t necessarily mean there was a hidden love story but rather it means there was enough maturity to understand that not every meaningful connection needs to become a romance.

General consensus:

I honestly don’t think there was a secret relationship hidden from us. I do, however, think there was an unusually deep bond that blurred lines for the people watching from the outside. They spent years creating, traveling, succeeding, failing and growing up together. That’s definitely fertile ground for speculation, especially when two people genuinely enjoy each other’s company and aren’t afraid to show it (yes even if it means kissing on stage). The cards don’t convince me they were simply coworkers, either. Whatever they shared mattered. Whether you call it brotherhood, soulmates, or a situationship- it left an imprint on both of them. Perhaps that’s why people kept asking if there was something more because sometimes the strongest relationships are the ones that refuse to fit neatly into a single category :p

So… how did they individually feel about each other? In this section, we’ll take a look into how the other had thought/felt about the other. First, we’ll be looking at Gerard’s mind. Keep in mind, this is all just for entertainment purposes and I'm not guaranteeing the truth in this. We’re just having fun!

How did Gerard feel about Frank?

8 of Pentacles

I don’t think Gerard took the connection lightly. It’s like he invested all his funds (not literally) into it lmao. So whether that was through songwriting, rehearsals, or simply learning how the other person worked, there was genuine effort here. This doesn’t seem like Frank was someone who he merely tolerated as a bandmate. He actively wanted to build something that functioned well between them, and I think he respected Frank's talent enough to keep showing up and putting in that work.

10 of Wands Reversed

This is where the relationship became a place to breathe. The spotlight can be exhausting. Being the frontman means constantly carrying a lot of expectations but being around Frank felt like some of that weight could be set down. I almost get the sense that he didn’t always have to perform around him. 

4 of Cups Reversed

Something about Frank kept pulling his attention back. There’s curiosity and a willingness to engage. Every time the connection could have settled into routine, something about it remained interesting enough that he kept emotionally leaning back in.

6 of Swords

This feels like trust. Whenever things became chaotic, whether creatively or personally, Frank was someone he could move through it with. This card has a calming quality to it. It’s like Frank was sometimes the person helping steer the boat once they were already in the middle of the storm, an odd description for someone who seems so chaotic but he has his groundedness!

Page of Wands

There’s excitement here, like Gerard genuinely enjoyed being around him! Ideas bounced back and forth and they probably encouraged each other’s creativity more than either realized at the time. This is the card that makes me think there was a lot of laughing and moments where one ridiculous idea somehow turned into an actual song… which I'm sure there’s some piece of media that proves me right. Maybe.

The Lovers

Now…I know everyone immediately freezes when this card shows up. But I want you to notice something-  The Lovers isn’t automatically saying that they were secretly together. What it is saying is that this relationship held tremendous emotional significance. This is the kind of connection that changes how someone sees themselves. There’s mutual influence here. Choices are made with the other person in mind. Their bond became part of Gerard’s identity during those years. Could there have been moments where emotions blurred into something difficult to define? Absolutely, this card leaves that possibility on the table. Could it simply represent one of the most important relationships of his adult life without becoming romantic? It absolutely could be. That’s why I wouldn’t rush with this card. It’s asking us to appreciate the depth before we try to label it 🙂‍↕️

9 of Wands Reversed

Gerard is a guy who sometimes keeps himself guarded. That sort of feeling stops whenever he’s around Frank. The tension that usually comes with being guarded starts to soften and that’s important because the 9 of Wands reversed often shows someone who is tired of bracing for impact. It can point to exhaustion after holding everything together for too long and I think that fits here. Around Frank, he may have finally felt safe enough to lower the defenses he normally kept up with everyone else. There’s vulnerability here, whether he ever consciously acknowledged it or not. It can also suggest a kind of emotional surrender like letting someone see the worn down parts of themselves. That doesn’t mean he became completely open overnight, of course, but it does suggest that Frank had a way of getting past the usual armor.

8 of Wands Reversed

And thennn everything slows. Life just happens 🤷‍♀️ Relationships outside the band become more serious and priorities shift. What’s interesting is that this doesn’t feel like a painful ending. It’s more like a conversation that was never really finished if that makes sense. The 8 of Wands reversed can show delays, crossed signals, or momentum that gets interrupted before it has a chance to fully land. So instead of a clean, decisive break, I get the sense of timing getting in the way. Interpret that as you will. There’s also a feeling here of communication becoming less immediate like fewer spontaneous exchanges, less chances to keep that same spark alive in real time. I think it’s because circumstances made it harder for it to keep flowing naturally. It’s the kind of card that can leave you with unfinished emotional business, where the bond doesn’t disappear so much as lose its forward motion.

GC: Looking at the spread as a whole, I think Gerard cared about Frank far more deeply than the average person lol. The question isn’t whether affection existed because it clearly did. The question is what kind of affection it was. The Lovers makes that intentionally difficult to answer because some people enter our lives and become emotionally foundational without fitting neatly into friend or lover. I think Gerard admired him, trusted him, felt lighter around him and genuinely looked forward to sharing life with him during those years. Whether those feelings ever crossed into romance is something the cards leave intriguingly open.

How did Frank feel about Gerard?

Ace of Wands Reversed

Interestingly, he doesn’t seem to approach this relationship as something he’s trying to chase or ignite. If anything, the energy starts with restraint. Any spark that existed wasn’t immediately acted upon or even fully understood. It almost feels like he naturally redirected his attention back toward the band, the work or simply keeping life moving instead of asking too many questions about where certain feelings or the intensity of the connection came from.

The Hierophant

This card immediately tells me he valued what this relationship represented. There’s loyalty here. Again, it’s not necessarily romantic commitment, but the type where you genuinely believe you’re in something together. Bands almost become families after enough years and this card really encapsulates that. He seems to have taken the partnership itself seriously. There was pride in building something lasting rather than chasing whatever emotion happened to appear in the moment.

4 of Wands

Once again, we have another card of comfort. I keep getting the feeling that Gerard became someone he associated with celebration rather than stress. Touring is chaotic, recording can be exhausting and fame complicates everything. Yet this card feels like someone who genuinely enjoyed coming home to the familiarity of another person, even if home happened to be a backstage dressing room or a recording studio.

The Star

I think this is kind of beautiful because Gerard seems to have represented hope in some way. And no, I don’t mean Gerard was someone who was “saving” him nor putting him on a pedestal. It’s like reminding him why he loved making music in the first place. Sometimes one person becomes the reason another keeps believing in the dream when everything else feels uncertain. The Star often points toward inspiration, healing and faith and I honestly think that’s what Gerard embodied for him during these years.

Page of Cups Reversed

This card feels shy lol. Whatever emotionality existed here, it wasn’t expressed very easily. He may have brushed serious moments aside with humor or changed the subject. There’s affection here that struggles to find the right words lmaooo.

2 of Cups

This is so fascinating after seeing The Lovers in Gerard’s spread. Again, I don’t immediately jump to a secret relationship. The Two of Cups is about mutuality like mutual respect or understanding. It’s the feeling of meeting someone and realizing communication flows naturally, collaboration feels effortless and somehow you’re always on the same wavelength. If Gerard's spread suggested that the relationship changed him, then this card says that Frank felt that connection too.

4 of Cups

But then…There’s hesitation. I don’t think it’s dissatisfaction with Gerard, it’s like uncertainty about what to do with a connection this meaningful. Sometimes the Four of Cups appears when someone overlooks an emotional opportunity simply because they don’t know how to approach it. Other times it’s choosing not to disturb something that’s already working. Honestly, I lean toward the second interpretation here. Why risk changing something that already means so much :/?

King of Wands

I think when he looks at Gerard, he sees someone who can be confident and charismatic. But I also think there’s admiration as well. The King of Wands isn’t just attractive because he can inspire action. He motivates people and has a presence. I think the Scorpio genuinely respected the Aries as both a performer and a person and that respect remained steady throughout their years together.

GC: What strikes me is that there isn’t hidden romance nearly as much as emotional symmetry. Gerard’s spread received The Lovers, while Frank’s received the Two of Cups. Both cards describe relationships that matter deeply, but neither one forces a romantic conclusion. Instead, they paint a picture of two people who profoundly influenced each other’s lives. They trusted one another, inspired one another creatively, found comfort in each other’s presence and built something that became part of who they were. If there were moments where outsiders wondered whether the line between friendship and something more had blurred, I completely understand why. The cards certainly don’t dismiss that possibility. But what they emphasize far more strongly is the rarity of the connection itself. Some partnerships become legendary not because they’re romantic but because they’re emotionally significant enough that people spend years trying to figure out what, exactly, made them so special.

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I’ve been staring at these two spreads for a while now because I think they’re asking us to sit with this mystery. People are going to see The Lovers and Two of Cups and immediately go, “So they were secretly together?” But if that were the whole story, I honestly think the rest of the spread would’ve leaned into secrecy, longing, deception, or hidden passion. Instead…it doesn’t. What I keep coming back to is that these cards describe two people who became emotionally significant in each other’s lives in a way that most friendships simply don’t. I get there’s the feeling that they are each other's first person they want to tell something to when something happens. Does that make sense? Lol, im not sure. Anyway, that’s exactly why I understand why people would’ve looked at them and wondered.

Because from the outside, some relationships are so emotionally intimate that our brains immediately start searching for a romantic explanation. What fascinates me is that neither spread is yelling for the hills that this is unrequited love. It’s more so saying that they mattered to each other more than they knew how to explain.

I almost think that’s scarier because I hate leaving things unlabeled. Because if someone asked either of them during those years, “What are you two?” …I don’t know that either of them would’ve had a satisfying answer.

Now…could there have been moments where the line blurred? Honestly? I think so. Not because I have one card proving they secretly fell in love. I think it’s because when people become this emotionally close, it’s human to occasionally stop and wonder what exactly you’re feeling. I think this was one of those once-in-a-lifetime connections that people spend years trying to categorize because it refuses to sit comfortably inside one box.

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hii, omg i made that statement dejectedly not because i thought your readings based on tarot and astrology aren't true at all! oh, it definitely is because your analysis always hit the nail on the end. i don't like maddie one bit! absolutely nothing i've heard about her made me change my initial opinion, being a zionist the main reason as well as that icky energy she gives off.

it's just that, they're lowkey gonna be that couple that got engaged to tick things off their list, ‘yeah we got engaged, now we gotta make it to the altar next’. unless something blows off for them which ends up being their last straw, i doubt things are gonna change.

i'm side-eying jaafar as well because how can you be with someone for 10 years and not know their political stance, unless you agree with it, or you just tolerate because its the love of your life? that's so telling of his character in a way.

things have been quiet for them, i don't think there have been any sightings of them publicly with how much pressure jaafar has been doing. but who knows maybe it's the calm before the storm?

No worries!! I didn’t take it that way at all, I was just curious what made you feel they’d still end up together

I can definitely see where you’re coming from. Sometimes long term couples do end up following that next milestone path simply because they’ve already invested so much time together. That said, I also don’t think the length of a relationship guarantees the outcome either. It’s unfortunate, but I’ve seen couples that had been together for 5+ years and never end up marrying. But who knows? It could be them or not but I still see where you come from!

Anyway, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to look at their relationship and wonder what level of awareness or acceptance exists there. After 10 years together, it’s hard for me personally to believe that they wouldn’t have some understanding of each other’s values or at least be aware of public positions that have caused controversy. That said, I also don’t want to claim I know exactly what he believes because I simply don’t. I can only go off what’s publicly visible. For me, though, staying with someone whose public actions and associations have raised serious concerns has definitely changed how I view him. Whether that’s because he agrees, tolerates it or sees it differently behind closed doors isn’t something I can know.

It’s honestly one of the reasons I’ve stepped back from doing as many readings or answering asks about him. It doesn’t feel as enjoyable anymore because my interest has shifted. If I do a reading now, it’s usually just out of curiosity about the situation rather than because I’m particularly invested in him as a person.

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can you ask tarot if maybe he purposely didn’t bring #her with him for this getaway trip and potentially other events in the near future? as in, maybe they needed some time apart after the awkwardness from the Japan premiere? …or does this just seem like a temporary coincidence and things will go back to how they were shortly ? Thank you in advance!

Interesting! Here’s the reading on that and I’ll just get straight into it. Remember this is for entertainment purposes only, not everything I say is to be considered a fact.

So first off, the overall energy of this spread feels much more centered around distance than simply busy schedules. Whether that distance is emotional, practical, intentional, or temporary is where the rest of the cards come in.

To start off, the 8 of pentacles makes me think his primary focus right now is work. The emphasis here doesn’t feel romantic at all. It feels like someone putting their head down, concentrating on their craft, obligations and appearances. If I had to describe the energy, I’d say he’s in a work first mindset.

The moon reversed makes me wonder if something that was previously sitting beneath the surface has become harder to ignore. It doesn’t necessarily mean there’s been a dramatic revelation but it does suggest greater awareness. If there had been lingering discomfort, awkwardness, or unresolved feelings, this card can point toward those things becoming much more obvious instead of remaining unspoken.

Then we move into the 8 of wands and how life speeds up considerably. His schedule (to me) feels packed. Things seem to be happening one after another with very little downtime. I suppose this supports the idea that work is genuinely taking over a large portion of his attention right now.

The 5 of pentacles is something I don’t love seeing this in the context of a relationship question because it often reflects emotional distance, feeling left out, or two people not quite standing on the same page. It doesn’t automatically mean a breakup but it does suggest one person, or perhaps both, may be experiencing some degree of separation or isolation.

The 2 of cups reversed reinforces that feeling. Rather than showing two people naturally moving together, it suggests a disconnect. Communication, priorities, timing or emotional alignment all feel a little off here. It doesn’t necessarily look permanent but it does make me think this isn’t simply a case of oh we’re fine, nothing’s changed…

The knight of pentacles reversed also caught my attention because it kinda breaks routines. Looking at the question itself, it makes me wonder if the way they’ve normally operated together isn’t quite functioning the same right now. Whether that’s intentional or simply a byproduct of everything happening around them is harder to pin down but something feels different from the usual rhythm.

The 6 of cups introduces some kind of familiarity again. Despite the distance shown earlier in the spread, this card reminds me there is still history here. It’s almost like the connection itself hasn’t disappeared but the current circumstances are preventing things from flowing as comfortably as they once did. It also makes me think there may be attempts to return to what’s familiar once things settle down.

Finally, the 2 of pentacles reversed can mean someone appears to be juggling too much (like him) and something has to be given up (? I kinda channeled this) It feels like maintaining every aspect of life exactly as before simply isn’t realistic right now.

So what I gathered, I don’t actually think this spread says he is deliberately excluding her from every event. It feels more nuanced than that. What I do think it suggests is that work has become the dominant priority, there appears to be some genuine distance or disconnect between them at the moment and the relationship doesn’t seem to be moving with the same ease it once did. Whether that’s because they intentionally wanted space, circumstances naturally created that space, or because both are true is difficult to say with certainty from these cards alone. One thing I will say though is that this doesn’t read like a simple coincidence where absolutely nothing has shifted. The repeated themes of disruptions, imbalances and distance show up too consistently for me to ignore. Whether those issues are temporary or develop into something larger is a different question entirely but based on this spread alone, I’d say the current dynamic feels noticeably different from the status quo.

I suppose we can add another reading to get more specific- we’ll read on if things in the relationship have shifted or will they go back to normal.

So with the queen of swords reversed, it feels like the current atmosphere is a bit clouded by misread signals or emotional filtering on both ends. It gives me the impression that communication isn’t landing cleanly right now like something is being interpreted through frustration or assumption rather than direct clarity. There can be moments where words don’t match intent, which already makes the situation feel less stable than a straightforward temporary schedule shift y’know?

The ten of swords reversed reads like something that already felt like it hit a low point but hasn’t fully resolved yet. It’s not the energy of a clean reset, more like recovery that’s still in progress. So even if things aren’t at their worst, there’s an undercurrent of lingering strain that hasn’t fully cleared out, which makes a return to how it was before feel less immediate.

Oooh and death shows up as the clearest marker of transition here but it doesn’t automatically mean an ending- it’s more about structural change in how things operate between them. Something about their rhythm has already shifted, even if it’s subtle or not fully acknowledged. This card sitting in the middle of the spread makes it feel like the relationship dynamic is actively transforming rather than just pausing.

The queen of cups softens that a bit though. There’s still emotional care and a kind of ongoing attachment that hasn’t dissolved. This doesn’t read like emotional detachment on a core level but it rather feels more like feelings still exist but they’re being held internally rather than expressed in a very visible or coordinated way right now.

The hanged man reversed is interesting because it suggests resistance to staying in this paused or unclear phase for too long. Something wants movement again, or at least resolution of the uncertainty but it’s not being approached in a patient or fully surrendered way. That creates tension like the situation isn’t comfortably stagnant but also isn’t resolving yet.

The king of swords makes me think choices are being made based on logic, work, or external responsibility rather than emotional pacing. It can also reflect distance maintained deliberately for focus and its not necessarily rejection but prioritization of order and direction.

The three of cups talks about social/public layers so it can bring things like normalizing in appearance and re-engaging with events. This is an indication that life resumes “outwardly” if that makes sense, like publicly. And that’s even if the private dynamic hasn’t fully smoothed itself out at the same speed.

Finallyyyy the king of pentacles reversed shifts things around. This is where stability feels slightly off center- either routines don’t fully lock back into place, or the usual structure of the relationship doesn’t feel as reliably grounded as it once did. It’s not chaos but it’s not fully anchored either. It suggests that even if things resume publicly, something about consistency or shared grounding isn’t entirely steady underneath it.

⋆˙⟡ Groom/Briede in the Industria Persona Chart

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This placement describes the role your spouse naturally steps into when they are with you and the way they maintain the relationship over time. It reflects what they believe they are consistently contributing and what they feel responsible for within the partnership. While Industria is often associated with work, effort and what comes naturally to us in terms of productivity, when it connects to marriage asteroids like Groom and Briede, it begins to describe the work of love. This is how they show up as a partner and the kind of dynamic they help build and sustain with you.

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who knows what happens behind closed doors and how certain decisions come to be, who knows about their reasons… point is, we genuinely do not know either of them personally. for all we know, he could be just like her or even worse (although i believe he’s not, but hey, one never knows). he’s a grown adult, he’s about to be 30 years old, and he has made his choices and stuck to them. there’s nothing anyone can do about that: THAT is what’s annoying to those stans. they take it out on her under the pretense that there’s actual reasons many people have to dislike her, and those reasons are valid. but i doubt they truly care about what’s going on in the world… she’s with jaafar and that’s their main issue, quite frankly.

anyway, i know that most of the stans that behave that way are teenagers and/or minors, so i really do not expect much common sense or coherency from them…

I think this is one of the more thoughtful takes I’ve received about this whole situation 😮‍💨 apologies if I don’t make sense, but this ask put things pretty well! I’ll just add some things to say.

I think what sticks out to me most is that this whole situation has made me realize a lot of people are arguing about completely different things while pretending they’re arguing about the same thing. For example, if someone’s issue with her is genuinely about her morals and politics, then okay- let’s talk about it. I don’t think those discussions are off limits, nor do I think people are crazy for asking questions about them.

But something I’ve noticed is that a lot of conversations start political and then immediately turn into how annoying she is, how she looks and how often she’s around him. At some point I start wondering if the original issue was actually the issue at all. Because if your concern is political, then stand on that. But when the conversation transforms into picking apart every aspect of a woman’s existence, that’s where I go 🤨

I think some people have been using legitimate criticism as a vehicle for completely unrelated frustrations. If we’re being consistent, then we also have to acknowledge that he is a grown man and not some doll she drags around. Whatever people think of her, he has still chosen to remain in that relationship for a decade.

People seriously can’t be normal for one second, oh my god…

If even a fraction of this is accurate, then we’ve crossed the line- way beyond it. It’s disturbing.

I think sometimes people forget that there are actual human beings on the other side of the screen. Disliking someone, questioning them and criticizing them is one thing. But sending invasive questions about their sex life, asking for intimate details, sending explicit videos, leaking personal information, and allegedly doxxing someone? That is something fucking else entirely. At that point, it’s not even about whether you like her or dislike her anymore. Nobody deserves that. What’s worse is that they are making me feel sympathy for a Zionist here.

What makes me even more sad is that if you’re genuinely a fan of him, how exactly is any of this helping him? People always talk about wanting celebrities to be more open and then situations like this happen and suddenly everyone wonders why celebrities disappear. People underestimate how stressful this kind of thing probably is for everyone involved. It’s not just her. It’s also him and his family. There’s people who are suddenly involved when they never signed up to become some kind of characters on the internet.

One thing I’ve noticed over the years is that fandoms sometimes convince themselves they’re acting out of love or support while doing things that would be absolutely horrifying if they happened to them personally. Imagine waking up and discovering strangers are discussing your sex life, pretending to be you online, sharing your personal information, or sending you explicit content? Just deplorable.

I don’t condone bullying of any form, as a victim of bullying myself that is the worst shit to ever happened to me, wouldn’t wish that on anyone not even my worst enemy. Harmless trolls here and there is fine, I see a few people not liking her for many reasons but that remained on that side of the internet, now while i also enjoy harmless opinions here and there. I don’t go personally harassing her in her DM’s, I, infact, don’t even have the time for all that. So yeah, that gc is a step too far, but again, the entire family, especially her, should’ve made her acc private because girl— whew 😮‍💨

Yeah, I agree. There’s a difference between having opinions about celebrities and actively inserting yourself into their lives. I can sit here and say that I don’t agree with this certain person or that this behavior raises an eyebrow for me and then continue on with my day. But what happened in that group chat sounds like something entirely fucking else.

Like guys… I barely have the energy to talk people and that’s majority of what I do in my job 🫩 So the idea of dedicating hours of my life to monitoring somebody’s account, harassing people and allegedly doxxing them sounds exhausting. That being said, I do understand what you’re saying about privacy because again… the internet is full of weirdos.

Like I stated before, I think once you start getting attention on that scale, especially attention that is becoming increasingly intense, there does come a point where you have to acknowledge the reality of the environment you’re in. In a perfect world, people should be able to have public accounts without strangers becoming obsessed with them. I also think people should be able to exist online without receiving harassment campaigns. But is that our reality? Unfortunately, no.

I feel like they just didn’t know any better lmao. Which, I’ll explain but I’d like to say that at the end of the day, it’s their accounts. They can have it public, they can interact with whoever they want. The responsibility for harassment will always fall on the people doing the harassing. That being said… I do think some people underestimate how weird fandoms or I guess fans in general can get.

Maybe this is my old fandom veteran experience talking, but the moment random strangers were regularly DMing me and talking about my relationship, I’d probably be making a burner account yesterday. Not because I think people should have to do that but because I know people are insane.

I do agree that constant interaction can sometimes blur a bunch of boundaries. Not because interacting with fans is bad, but because fandoms have a tendency to interpret every interaction as a relationship. The more access people feel they have, the more entitled some people become to that access. Unfortunately, once that starts happening, things can escalate very quickly.

Do I think that means she deserves what’s happening? Absolutely not. Do I think being public automatically means someone is asking for harassment? Also no. But I do think there comes a point where you have to recognize the environment you’re in even if some fans are normal. The problem is you only need a handful of people to become deeply parasocial before things start spiraling.

As for whether they enjoy the attention… honestly, I have no idea. I can understand why people make that assumption because from the outside looking in, there are moments where the boundaries between public and private seem a little looser than what you’d normally expect from people connected to a rapidly growing celebrity like Jaafar.