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The reason I havenāt been posting here is that weāre living in a timeline where Harry Styles is playing multiple instruments live on stage, performing choreography, sounding like an angel, experimenting with his sound while still being commercially successful, and releasing songs with deep meaning. Some of which he wrote fully by himself. Heās selling out the biggest stadiums in the world multiple times over. Heās even been on camera arranging strings alongside one of the best conductors working today.
Meanwhile, his main āantagonistsā are physically fighting each other, very clearly struggling with substances, unable to sell out any venues, however small, and releasing pedestrian music thatās flopping spectacularly.
If anyone wants to chat, you can message me at @stylesclarifiedasks and Iāll try to answer. But I find it hard to stay motivated to write essays when time has already made everything clear.
Iām replying not to argue, but to spotlight the bad faith dripping from every line.
Because behind the TPWK sticker, there are people like this.
Letās be clear: this attempt collapses on itself. The author contradicts, ignores the value chain, and clearly didnāt reread onceālet alone ten timesābefore hitting post. Weāll go step by step.
On CAAās Role
In 2012, CAA was (and remains) one of the planetās biggest talent conglomerates, wielding immense power over Hollywood, music, and commercial deals. Modest! Management was a solid British agency, but it had a fraction of CAAās market leverageāespecially in the U.S.
This wasnāt a āpeer relationship.ā but an asymmetric power. When the operation crossed into the worldās most lucrative market, the American infrastructure (CAA) became the de facto senior strategic partner. Hierarchy here isnāt about functionāitās about capital.
And hereās the first of many self-inflicted wounds: the user claims CAA only handles āmusical booking,ā then immediately lists Harryās brand partnerships, private events, and acting. They just admitted CAAās mandate is fluid and all-encompassingāexactly the model I described.
If CAA runs Harryās commercial deals today, why is it unthinkable that a top CAA agent (Jeffrey Azoff) was deploying the same leverage to orchestrate deals and relationships yesterday? Their own evidence proves the expanded CAA playbook is standard for an asset of this caliber.
On Jeffās Role at CAA
I never said Jeff was the official 1D agent. Either reading comprehension failed, or bad faith wonāor both. I wrote, verbatim, that Jeff Azoff operated parallel to the official system to secure the Styles asset. The user is debunking a claim I never madeāclassic straw man.
They also insist Azoff was ājust an agent, not a manager,ā yet seem clueless about the difference. An agent curates a roster (Britney Spears included). He wasnāt her manager.
On AZOFF MSG ENTERTAINMENT
I opened my piece with an IQ Magazine interview with Irving Azoff that nobody read. In it, talking about Jim Dolan, Irving says:
āHe is one of my closest friendsā¦ Originally, he and I were in a partnershipā¦ā
Who owned MSG in December 2012 when 1D played twice? Irvingās close friend, Jim Dolan. The 2013 joint venture merely formalized a relationship that had grown for years in personal trust.
If teenage fans think a deal of that magnitude happens without years of preliminary meetings, they should keep doing what they do best: scrolling Tumblr.
By late 2012, Irvingāafter two years as Live Nation Chairmanāsteps down to return to entrepreneurship. The board:
Jeff: CAA agent
Irving: Live Nation Chairman (ticketing)
Dolan: MSG owner (venue)
My entire article stresses that for the Azoffs, private and professional life are indistinguishable. Another detail that sailed over their head.
On Private Jets
My point was never āHarry was the only one flying private.ā It was that Jeffrey Azoff made his own luxury infrastructure (āAir Azoffā) exclusively available to Harry as part of an isolation and love-bombing strategy.
The user swaps my specific claim for a vague generalization (āeveryone flew privateā). Another straw man from someone allergic to honesty.
The WikiLeaks Incident: An Epic Own Goal
Here, in trying to dismantle me, they hand me the evidence. Glorious.
They crow: āSee? In 2014, Harryās manager was still Richard from Modest!, not Azoff! Your shadow management theory is dead!ā
And thatās where the donkey falls.
Dr. Luke asks Harryās official manager (Richard Griffiths, Modest!) to appear in a video. Richard refuses: āHe doesnāt want to split the band.ā
Why did the request go through the official channel? Because Dr. Luke was label-affiliated (Sony). Why did Modest! refuse? Their mandate was preserving One Directionās unity.
Now the punchline. The user claims Jeff had no role, but the timeline shows Jeff in full unofficial marking of Harry in 2014āexactly when the band was being prepped for exit.
This doesnāt debunk shadow management.
It proves it.
Two parallel systems:
Official Channel (Modest!): Handles formal requests, protects the group product.
Shadow Channel (Azoff): Cultivates the individual asset (Harry) for extraction.
And the cherry? Claiming āthe label got them into the U.S. marketā is functional illiteracy. They confuse label (produces/distributes records), management (career strategy), and booking agency (tours).
But waitāit gets better. They post the Dr. Luke email, then claim Harry was tied to Syco, not Modest!. Total logical short-circuit.
Then the nuclear own goal: to disprove Azoffās influence, they post an email where Dr. Luke speaks to Richard Griffithsāproving Modest! was the official manager in 2014. Not Syco.
They just invalidated their own claim.
Two possibilities, both fatal:
Theyāre so industry-illiterate they donāt grasp label vs. management contractsāand didnāt notice their āproofā contradicted them.
Theyāre deliberately scattering data hoping confusion equals doubt. Coherence isnāt the goal. Attack is.
The Final Collapse
The closer is structural suicide.
They claim: āFull Stop was built around Irving, who had a non-competeā¦ā
The idea that Irving Azoffāafter leaving Live Nationāwas āunemployedā and needed his son to ābuild him a companyā is comically absurd.
When Full Stop launched, Irving was already running two empires he founded: Azoff MSG Entertainment (2013) and Oak View Group (2015).
They even open their āanalysisā mentioning AZOFF MSG ENTERTAINMENTāthen forget it exists.
On Dunkirk
āDunkirk has nothing to do with Full Stop. Casting was in Januaryā¦ā
Desperate attempt to break causal chains.
Documented fact: Billboard and IQ Magazine, when Jeff launched Full Stop, listed Harry as his ālongtime client.āThat means Harry was Jeffās client long before Full Stop existed.
Instead of reading industry press, they wrote fan-fiction.
The Antisemitism Accusation
Out of nowhereāzero basisāthey accuse me of antisemitism.
This is the TPWK fandom? Spends an entire post smearing, with tone like I ran over their cat, then invents an antisemitism charge.
Are you okay? What does your brain tell you? Who do you think youāre talking to? If youāre an adult, youāre legally liable for the slander spilling from your mouth.
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In 2012, CAA was (and remains) one of the planetās biggest talent conglomerates, wielding immense power over Hollywood, music, and commercial deals.
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Modest! Management was a solid British agency, but it had a fraction of CAAās market leverageāespecially in the U.S.
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Modest! was not an agency! It was (and is) a management company.
Some light reading:
What is the difference between a Talent Agent and a Talent Manager to an actor?
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This wasnāt a āpeer relationship.ā but an asymmetric power. When the operation crossed into the worldās most lucrative market, the American infrastructure (CAA) became the de facto senior strategic partner. Hierarchy here isnāt about functionāitās about capital.
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Did you even read my other post? Let's put it this way.
Modest! was 1D's optometrist. It was a lone doctor that had a small private practice.
CAA was 1D's dentist. It was a dentist chain owned by a multi-national health group.
Your optometrist and your dentist don't have a peer relationship NOR asymmetric power. They do DIFFERENT THINGS. It doesn't matter who's big and who's small, because they fulfill different roles. It IS about function when their roles don't overlap.
The "senior strategic partner" was actually their record label.
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And hereās the first of many self-inflicted wounds: the user claims CAA only handles āmusical booking,ā then immediately lists Harryās brand partnerships, private events, and acting. They just admitted CAAās mandate is fluid and all-encompassingāexactly the model I described
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I said that CAA does MOSTLY booking for musical clients, and SOME brand partnerships, PARTICULARLY the ones that include live performances (say, your tour is sponsored by MasterCard). They do not do brand partnerships such as a collaboration with Gucci. That's what your manager is for.
CAA also has another branch that's for actors. That's just your typical acting agent. Harry's is Alex Mebed. Harry did not have an acting agent back in 1D. He signed with Alex towards the end of 2015. Jeff has literally no correlation with the acting world.
I'm curious, what's the theory of the roles of Full Stop and CAA in this context? You clearly have no understanding of what an agency and a management company do and what they don't, and what the differences between them are, but the fact that you can't see that your theories fall under their own weight is worrying. Harry is still signed to CAA AND separately to Jeff's management company. So...???
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If CAA runs Harryās commercial deals today,
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They don't. Jeff does. They can arrange sponsors for his live performances.
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why is it unthinkable that a top CAA agent (Jeffrey Azoff)
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Jeff wasn't a top CAA Agent. He was one of hundreds of CAA employees, not notable at all except for who his father was. He had no rank in CAA until the end of 1D's career.
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was deploying the same leverage to orchestrate deals and relationships yesterday?
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Well, aside from the fact that CAA didn't do that because that's not their role, and the fact that Jeff was a nobody at CAA who was under a senior agent (Rob Light), there's also the small fact that... Jeff was not associated with 1D and/or Harry in any way. You know, a minor hiccup in your theory.
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Their own evidence proves the expanded CAA playbook is standard for an asset of this caliber.
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No, it doesn't..
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I never said Jeff was the official 1D agent. Either reading comprehension failed, or bad faith wonāor both. I wrote, verbatim, that Jeff Azoff operated parallel to the official system to secure the Styles asset. The user is debunking a claim I never madeāclassic straw man.
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I debunked a claim you never made, because the claim you did make made no sense. You can't have a parallel agent. That's just... not a thing. Jeff Azoff had no direct association with 1D. Their agent with CAA was Christian Carino. Jeff had NO ROLE, not official and not unofficial with 1D. You pulled that out of the depths of your ass.
It would be a strawman if you'd made a lick of sense, but you didn't, probably because you don't understand how the entertainment industry works, but the fact that you're doubling down is, once again, worrying.
Are you claiming that a Jewish man was controlling something behind the scenes in secret? And you're basing that on...? What? That he was friends with Harry? Why aren't you claiming that of Rob Stringer? Of Tommy Bruce?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you read one too many conspiracies from this fandom that involve the Azoffs instead of jumping to the assumption that you yourself are antisemitic, but the affirmation with no factual proof that Jeff was "running things" "behind the scenes" is an antisemitic dog whistle, considering he's a Jewish man with a very Jewish last name.
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They also insist Azoff was ājust an agent, not a manager,ā yet seem clueless about the difference. An agent curates a roster (Britney Spears included). He wasnāt her manager.
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Source
Since you seem to not understand this... CAA IS A BOOKING AGENCY. THEY ARE NOT AND WERE NEVER MANAGERS.
IT IS IN THE NAME:
MODEST! MANAGEMENT
CREATIVE ARTISTS AGENCY
Modest didn't do agent work, CAA didn't do management work.
Jeff left CAA TO BECOME a manager because HE WAS NOT A MANAGER BEFORE. He said how his mom was worried about him becoming a manager because he was too soft. BECOMING something HE WAS NOT before.
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On AZOFF MSG ENTERTAINMENT
I opened my piece with an IQ Magazine interview with Irving Azoff that nobody read. In it, talking about Jim Dolan, Irving says:
āHe is one of my closest friendsā¦ Originally, he and I were in a partnershipā¦ā
Who owned MSG in December 2012 when 1D played twice? Irvingās close friend, Jim Dolan. The 2013 joint venture merely formalized a relationship that had grown for years in personal trust.
If teenage fans think a deal of that magnitude happens without years of preliminary meetings, they should keep doing what they do best: scrolling Tumblr.
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So, let me get this straight, you think that Jim Dolan just did the bidding of all his industry friends, with no formal arrangement, just off the cuff informally? Or do you think that when Irving said that about Dolan that meant they were besties and did sleepovers together?
Irving Azoff, like all other music moguls, has many industry friends. That doesn't mean he controls who plays at their venues, who signs at their companies, who gets what brand deals.
MSG Entertainment had a board that had to approve of every single move.
Your affirmation that Azoff, a prominent Jewish man, controlled Jim Dolan and his companies with no paperwork whatsoever so completely is also an antisemitic trope. Once again, I'm hoping it's not intentional.
This entire paragraph is completely pointless anyway, because you're still basing it on CAA acting like a management company for Harry/1D when they're NOT A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
Your entire argument falls flat on its face because the foundation is so shaky.
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By late 2012, Irvingāafter two years as Live Nation Chairmanāsteps down to return to entrepreneurship. The board:
Jeff: CAA agent
Irving: Live Nation Chairman (ticketing)
Dolan: MSG owner (venue)
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You're making no sense. Irving stepped down from Live Nation right as Jeff and Harry became friends, ergo, no control over ticketing. He had no official links to MSG until AFTER 1D was too big to perform in any of their venues, and Jeff was not 1D's or Harry's AGENT, which is, once again, NOT A MANAGER.
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My entire article stresses that for the Azoffs, private and professional life are indistinguishable. Another detail that sailed over their head.
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Article? HAHAHAHAHH, okay!
For someone who's SOOOOO offended their text has been called out for being antisemitic, you continue to spew classic antisemitism.
Antisemitism that claims that Jewish people are scheming, constantly networking for power, use personal relationships for business gain, canāt separate family life from influence, manipulate people for professional benefit.
You have no proof of any of this. That's your own personal fanfiction about people you've never met based on nothing concrete.
Some light reading that might help:
What makes antisemitism different from other forms of prejudice? While most hatreds often diminish their targets, antisemitism paradoxically
For more than 25 years, the Museum has offered professional development to educators in public, private, and religious schools, in addition
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On Private Jets
My point was never āHarry was the only one flying private.ā It was that Jeffrey Azoff made his own luxury infrastructure (āAir Azoffā)
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And you're basing that on what? There isn't a single picture of Harry on "Air Azoff" before 1D disbanded. There are plenty of pictures of Harry boarding private jets with the rest of the band.
I'm sure Harry traveled with their private jet in their own personal time, but we have no proof of it other than "I guess it makes sense?"
Professionally, which is what you continued to stress, he NEVER did. They ALL traveled via the same jets. Harry typically traveled with Niall.
Also, they all had powerful friends with access to this level of luxury. You're zero-ing in on the Azoffs...
Marvin and Rochelle Humes were Niall's BFFs while he was in the band:
Rochelle Humes and her husband Marvin are in Ibiza for their friend's wedding. The couple have shared holiday photos on Instagram
exclusively available to Harry as part of an isolation and love-bombing strategy.
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What is your proof of this? Why would Harry take flying via private jet as some sort of out of this world luxury when he had the same kind of access himself with his own money? And so did the others?
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The user swaps my specific claim for a vague generalization (āeveryone flew privateā). Another straw man from someone allergic to honesty.
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It isn't a strawman. Your argument was that the others didn't have access to that level of luxury. You straight up said so. But they did have that access. They didn't specifically fly in the Azoffs private jet, because they were not friends with them*, but there's no factual proof that Harry was EVER on any of those jets either. And the others flew private in many many many other ways. Your argument was incorrect. End of.
*Niall was and is friends with Cameron Azoff, like, watched shows together, golfed together, commented on each other's posts on instagram, etc (while the band was together and after, mind you). You just don't know about it because you did NO RESEARCH.
"Isolation strategy" meanwhile Harry's best friend in the band was also besties with the Azoffs lmfao.
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The WikiLeaks Incident: An Epic Own Goal
Here, in trying to dismantle me, they hand me the evidence. Glorious.
They crow: āSee? In 2014, Harryās manager was still Richard from Modest!, not Azoff! Your shadow management theory is dead!ā
And thatās where the donkey falls.
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Oh, your reading comprehension is ABHORRENT. My point was not that they contacted Richard Griffiths. It's that they said NO. You were claiming that Harry was getting separate opportunities, and I'm flat out showing you that wasn't the case.
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Dr. Luke asks Harryās official manager (Richard Griffiths, Modest!) to appear in a video. Richard refuses: āHe doesnāt want to split the band.ā
Why did the request go through the official channel? Because Dr. Luke was label-affiliated (Sony). Why did Modest! refuse? Their mandate was preserving One Directionās unity.
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????
You're literally saying gibberish.
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Now the punchline. The user claims Jeff had no role, but the timeline shows Jeff in full unofficial marking of Harry in 2014āexactly when the band was being prepped for exit.
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"UNOFFICIAL" so he had no role... You just think he did because he and Harry hung out and you want to believe he did.
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This doesnāt debunk shadow management.
It proves it.
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HOW? Link to literally any source??
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Two parallel systems:
Official Channel (Modest!): Handles formal requests, protects the group product.
Shadow Channel (Azoff): Cultivates the individual asset (Harry) for extraction.
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Dr. Luke talked directly to the CEO of Sony Entertainment, asked for Harry, and he was declined. By Sony. Who actually had a contract with the band that the band had to fulfill.
Dr. Luke tried with Griffiths, failed, then went to Sony, and the video DID NOT HAPPEN.
In fact, Harry did NO official professional stuff without the rest of the band. The most he did was write music for other artists. He did no performances, recorded no music, did no magazine covers, no TV appearances, no award show appearances, NOTHING without the rest of the band.
Harry AUDITIONED AS A SOLO ARTIST. Clearly he always wanted to be A SOLO ARTIST. He was PUT in a band. And he FULFILLED THE CONTRACT that he signed with said band.
He did not need to be "extracted." It's so patronizing for Harry for you to pretend that he had to be wined and dined in order to realize that he could be a major player as a solo artist.
Is it because you read one too many conspiracies about Harry's career and wanted to default into him being a smol bean that actually was tricked into it?
Instead of realizing why those theories are BS, you bought into them, but decided to make his Jewish friends the culprit. Funny.
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And the cherry? Claiming āthe label got them into the U.S. marketā is functional illiteracy. They confuse label (produces/distributes records), management (career strategy), and booking agency (tours).
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No, I'm talking about the FACT that the label came up with a marketing strategy called "Bring 1D To Me."
Straight from Steve Barnett, then CEO of Columbia, for the New York Times:
Steve Barnett, the co-chairman of Columbia Records, said it was not a difficult decision to sign One Direction. āOther artists in that category had gotten a little older,ā he said. āI just thought there was a void, and maybe they could seize and hold it.ā
But Mr. Barnett and his team decided to reverse the usual pattern of releasing a single on radio, then bringing the band to America to do concerts. Instead the label mounted a four-month marketing campaign aimed at building a fan base through social media before a single was ever released or played on the radio here.
Then a social media campaign asked fans to sign petitions and to enter video competitions to win a concert in their town. (Dallas won, and One Direction will perform a concert there on Saturday; the group will play two dates in the New York area in May as part of a national tour.)
The strategy was launched in August 2011 and culminated in their visit to Dallas, who won the contest:
The Dallas visit was March 25 2012, 12 days after their debut album came out in the US. So... a marketing strategy from the label to create interest in the band, specifically in America, right as they released their album there, by their American record label.
You know how I know this? I was a fan when this happened. I grew up with 1D. And I understand how things work because first, I did research, and second, it touches my line of work.
But go ahead, tell me how the factual information I'm giving is wrong.
You're actually claiming that a record label has no role in promoting an artist, and acting smug while you're at it. I'M GONNA LOSE MY MIND THIS IS SO FUNNY.
One of the main roles of a record label is PROMOTION.
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But waitāit gets better. They post the Dr. Luke email, then claim Harry was tied to Syco, not Modest!. Total logical short-circuit.
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Harry and 1D were not tied to Modest! No artist is "tied" to their manager. YOU employ your managers. They don't employ you. Your record label does employ you.
You can fire your managers. You can't fire your record label. Shall I make a drawing so you can understand it?
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Then the nuclear own goal: to disprove Azoffās influence, they post an email where Dr. Luke speaks to Richard Griffithsāproving Modest! was the official manager in 2014. Not Syco.
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When Richard Griffiths said no, Dr. Luke went ABOVE Griffiths (manager) to talk to the CEO of Sony (Sony owned 50% of Syco, Simon Cowell owned the other 50%). Sony had control over 1D's image. They literally held the image clauses. Hence, they controlled 1D's public appearances.
Richard, as their day-to-day manager, handled it, but he FOLLOWED SONY'S ORDERS.
Richard had to stamp his approval, but his approval depended on what Sony told him to do. That is why Dr. Luke talked to the CEO of Sony when Richard said no. He didn't talk to Irving Azoff.
I can't explain this any more clearly.
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They just invalidated their own claim.
Two possibilities, both fatal:
Theyāre so industry-illiterate they donāt grasp label vs. management contractsāand didnāt notice their āproofā contradicted them.
Theyāre deliberately scattering data hoping confusion equals doubt. Coherence isnāt the goal. Attack is.
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3. You're so industry illiterate that you need me to spell out something that I ASSUMED you'd understand. That Sony was above Modest!, hence, why Luke was contacting Sony when Modest! said no.
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The Final Collapse
The closer is structural suicide.
They claim: āFull Stop was built around Irving, who had a non-competeā¦ā
The idea that Irving Azoffāafter leaving Live Nationāwas āunemployedā and needed his son to ābuild him a companyā is comically absurd.
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Right, so I didn't say that Irving was unemployed. I said that because he had a no-compete, he couldn't involve himself in a lot of aspects of the music industry, such as handling live events. That hindered what his capabilities were, hence why he didn't take on new managerial roles until after that non-compete ended (late 2015).
He was still managing Fleetwood Mac, Christina Aguilera, Eagles, etc. He just couldn't do the whole scope of their careers. So he waited until after that non-compete was over to create a new management company. His old management company had been folded into Live Nation, so he was acting like an individual manager.
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When Full Stop launched, Irving was already running two empires he founded: Azoff MSG Entertainment (2013) and Oak View Group (2015).
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Neither of which involves managing artists careers in terms of live music. Are you suggesting the non-compete didn't exist? I linked to it...
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They even open their āanalysisā mentioning AZOFF MSG ENTERTAINMENTāthen forget it exists.
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I did not forget it exists. There just isn't a correlation to what I'm talking about.
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On Dunkirk
āDunkirk has nothing to do with Full Stop. Casting was in Januaryā¦ā
Desperate attempt to break causal chains.
Documented fact: Billboard and IQ Magazine, when Jeff launched Full Stop, listed Harry as his ālongtime client.āThat means Harry was Jeffās client long before Full Stop existed.
Instead of reading industry press, they wrote fan-fiction.
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My point was not that because the casting started in January, Jeff had nothing to do with it. Once again, you cannot grasp a simple concept.
Jeff Azoff was NOT A MANAGER until he left CAA. He was A BOOKING AGENT. As in, booking live performances. He worked for CAA in that capacity. That is all.
He had no role in getting Harry acting roles. That fell on ALEX MEBED.
Jeff, Ben, Alex. ALEX is Harry's film agent. JEFF has literally NO role in getting Harry acting gigs.
Harry was named as a longtime client... because... and get this, Jeff worked at CAA. And Harry (and 1D) were signed to CAA. I... said this already.
Jeff was NOT listed as a point of contact ANYWHERE for 1D, at ANY POINT. Trust me, girl, this fandom TRIED SO SO SO SO HARD to find a connection. In fact, Larries used to believe that once Irving Azoff's non-compete ended he would take over 1D, completely bypassing Jeff, BECAUSE he had no connections to 1D and he was A NOBODY. Everyone was surprised Pikachu when Harry signed with Jeff, because EVERYONE WAS EXPECTING HIM TO SIGN WITH IRVING. BECAUSE JEFF WAS NOT A MANAGER!!!
That's the worst part of this whole thing. You really think you parachuted into the fandom and somehow found connections no one else found in 15+ years.
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The Antisemitism Accusation
Out of nowhereāzero basisāthey accuse me of antisemitism.
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Well, no, you said a Jewish man with no known ties to any parties had "his fingertips all over" a relationship you deemed fake (ergo, "a conspiracy theory"). That's an antisemitic trope. When I reached that point, the entire post became tainted because I could see that there was no point in explaining anything. If your belief is based on conspiracy theories I simply cannot make you see reason because conspiracy theories are unfalsifiable.
You believe in a conspiracy theory. Jeff Azoff had no official ties to 1D nor Harry, nor Taylor Swift.
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This is the TPWK fandom? Spends an entire post smearing, with tone like I ran over their cat, then invents an antisemitism charge.
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So, you can accuse Harry's close friends of love bombing him and using him for their own personal gain, but you draw the line at me calling you out for it? Interesting.
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Are you okay? What does your brain tell you? Who do you think youāre talking to? If youāre an adult, youāre legally liable for the slander spilling from your mouth.
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Hilarious because I didn't defame you in any way, but if I had, it'd be libel, not slander. But of course you don't know the difference.
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Opinions on this?
It's antisemitic discourse that's not even disguised, and the accusations and affirmations aren't just unfounded, they're false and outright ridiculous.
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Let's break it down: (her text in blue)
"The silent emancipation"
Here, she claims that Harry forged a connection with CAA through Jeff.
This move reveals more than Harry as an Azoff assetāit exposes a radical truth: while still in One Direction,Ā StylesĀ had forged a separate,Ā parallel managerial relationshipĀ with one of the worldās most powerful agencies, CAA (Creative Artists Agency), throughĀ Azoff.
LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER
CAA was One Direction's touring agency. Their agent was Christian Carino for CAA Los Angeles,
Back in 2014, an interviewer from MuchMusic Toronto called Lauren Toyota, who interviewed them twice, did a Q&A on YouTube and said that she went to a party at the Ritz Carlton Toronto with some industry people, including people from their team, and that Harry, Zayn, and Niall showed up. This was back in 2012. To make it very clear, this was not a One Direction hang-up party. It was an industry party and Harry, Zayn, and Niall showed up.
We don't know for sure that this is when Harry met Jeff, but everything does add up, and 1D didn't really go to Toronto that often. I think they were only there twice in 2012, this time and for an interview.
Why would Jeff be at that party? Well, Jeff is Irving Azoff's son. Irving Azoff is a powerful music mogul. I tried to find info online, but the earliest I can find on Jeff is when Britney Spears signed to CAA in 2013, Jeff was her agent. He was clearly with CAA before, but I don't know who he was representing. Whoever it was, I'd wager, was in Toronto at the time 1D was there. As an agent from CAA, he was invited to this industry party and the rest is history.
But Harry did not connect with CAA through Jeff. He connected with Jeff through CAA. It's THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Including this because this was clearly from Jeff:
She starts wrong, and she builds on a wrong foundation. Let's keep going.
The Asset Within the Asset: Stylesā Role in One Direction
Modest Management (UK) andĀ CAAĀ (US) werenāt competing for Harry Styles but operated in aĀ hierarchical partnership.
True, they were not competing because they did completely different things. Wrong, they were not in a partnership.
Modest discovered and shaped theĀ rawĀ product (One Direction),
Nope, Modest did not "discover" anything. That was Syco Entertainment (the production company behind The X Factor). They signed 1D to Syco Music (the record label branch of that same company). Modest was their management company. I would agree with "shape" as that's the role of a manager, but they were definitely not the ones who discovered them.
but to conquer the critical U.S. market, they needed aĀ bigger player. CAA was theĀ American muscleĀ behind the operation.
LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER
CAA is not and was never a management company. CAA is a talent agency. They do work for different types of celebrities, such as musicians, but also actors, athletes, and even influencers. For musicians, their main role is handling live performances, mostly touring, but depending on the artist they can also handle their live TV performances, festivals, etc.
CAA does not manage your schedule, album rollout, PR strategy, etc. In some cases CAA can do your brand deals, but it doesn't typically happen with musicians. They have the option and some brands might reach out (particularly if it involves live performances), but their managers mostly do that.
In fact, Harry is currently signed to CAA for touring, brand partnerships, and private events (he's also signed to them as an actor, but that's a different story).
Niall is also signed to CAA. Liam was signed to CAA as well before he passed. Louis is signed to Wasserman. Zayn is with United Talent.
Harry's management company is Full Stop. CAA and Full Stop are not a partnership and do not compete. They do DIFFERENT THINGS.
In fact, 1D even had a London agent at CAA, so how does it compute that CAA was their "US muscle"? That's just drawing conclusions after not understanding what different actors roles are in different positions. It's absurd.
Let's continue.
Jeffrey AzoffĀ wasnāt a rogue agent secretly plotting Stylesās future but anĀ executorĀ within the U.S. machine, tasked with managing the portfolioās most promising asset (One Direction) and its standout star (Styles).
LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER
Sorry, I feel like I'm gonna repeat that a lot. Sorry in advance.
Jeff WAS WORKING FOR BRITNEY SPEARS. He worked for Britney between 2013 and 2015, when he resigned to CAA. He NEVER worked for 1D. 1D's US agent at CAA was Christian Carino.
Let's keep going because it is going to get so much worse. So much more nonsensical and ignorant.
The Power of Infrastructure: Owning the Arenas
The Azoff familyās influence extends beyond management to controlling key elements of the entertainment industry. ThroughĀ Azoff MSG Entertainment, a joint venture with deep ties toĀ Madison Square GardenĀ venues like the New York arena and Los AngelesāsĀ Kia Forum, they held significant leverage.
Did she read her own sources? Irving became chairman and CEO of MSG Entertainment in September 2013. By then, One Direction had already booked their 2014 stadium tour. The tickets were put on sale that month and they sold out immediately. The idea that Modest would partner with the Azoffs for their venues is not just absurd, but comical.
Azoff MSG Entertainment owns the following venues:
Madison Square Garden: 1D performed there once in December 2012, so almost an entire year before Irving got involved
The Forum: 1D never performed there, in fact, they performed at rival venue Staples Center, but also before Irving got involved
Radio City Music Hall
Beacon Theater: 1D performed there in May 2012. 18 months before Irving got involved with the company.
Wang Theatre
Chicago Theatre
The first two are arenas, the last four are theaters. By the time Irving got involved with the company, 1D were selling out stadiums.
WithĀ Irving AzoffĀ leading a company closely aligned with MSG and Jeffrey as a high-ranking CAA agent, the family created aĀ pipelineĀ for securing prime dates andĀ high-value dealsĀ at prestigious venues, like those used by One Direction.
Irving didn't lead that company until after 1D's world domination. Jeff wasn't a high-ranking agent either. I'm not sure where she gets that he was. The main agent for Britney was Rob Light, so Jeff was already second tier, but add to that the fact that Britney didn't do a single worldwide tour while Jeff was her agent. She did a Vegas residency. There isn't a single piece of information online about Jeff prior to that booking with Britney. And after that, all I can find is him + Harry until he created Full Stop.
The Azoffs didnāt just request tour datesāthey made themĀ available.
Nope. That... that would be CAA.
This explains why Modest, a smaller agency, had every incentive to maintain this alliance.
There was no alliance. She made it up. Modest is not even an agency! It's a management company.
Partnering with the Azoffs didnāt just mean a top agent for their artistsāit guaranteed accessĀ to the infrastructure that enabled global success.
I'm just adding this part of the text so you get how fucking ridiculous what she's saying is, but how confidently she says it. The Azoffs had zero control of any venues until September 2013, and by then, One Direction would never be able to play in any of the venues they owned. They were LITERALLY selling out Wembley and Gillette Stadium. The fuck were they gonna do with the fucking Wang Theater?
Jeffrey Azoff, the Yoko Ono of One Direction
Every iconic band has its āYoko Onoāāan external force blamed for shattering its unity. For One Direction, that force wasnāt an eccentric outsider but a calculated businessman:Ā Jeffrey Azoff.
While Modest Management handled the collective āproductā, Azoff operated on a different plane, cultivating his long-term investment:Ā Harry Styles. It was a slow, relentless campaign to destabilize the groupās internal balance.
Once again JEFF WAS NOT WORKING FOR 1D OR HARRY. He was BRITNEY SPEARS' AGENT!!! Jeff was NOT a manager. Harry had to cajole Jeff into becoming a manager for him.
This next part is so fucking ridiculius I just...
To execute his plan, Azoff leveraged privilege toĀ isolate his asset, bothĀ physicallyĀ andĀ psychologically, from the rest of the band:
While the band traveled together, Harry flew onĀ private jets.
THEY ALL FLEW IN PRIVATE JETS! They couldn't all fit into one jet (1D plus their entourage) so they split into two. Harry often traveled with Niall and the other three traveled together, but there were multiple different combinations.
There's ONE story that was sensationally headlined "Harry travels separately." It was May 23rd 2014. As you can see in the photos of that article, he didn't travel separately from "all the members"... just Zayn and Liam. They were going to Ireland, so Niall was already there, literally went golfing on the 22nd to the K Club. Louis traveled there on his own later, but that was not spun as anything.
Also, Harry traveled there with Gemma as you can see it's the exact same day and he's wearing the exact same outfit. This was back when Gemma was dating Ashton Irwin from 5SOS, who were 1D's openers.
Here you have pics of Harry traveling with Liam and Niall. There were plenty of different combinations. The most common one was Harry+Niall and Zayn+Louis+Liam.
While the others stayed in assigned hotels, Harry lodged inĀ luxury suites, often at different properties.
Huh? You think the other members of 1D didn't lodge in luxury suites? What? And as for different properties, it was different hotels. They split up into separate hotels to avoid hoards of girls waiting outside of them, particularly when they were in a big city. But definitely not always. And even then, it wasn't that Harry was in a separate hotel, it's that they booked 3 or sometimes even more hotels. The only ones who tended to stay at the same hotel were Zayn and Louis. Sometimes Harry and Niall.
When they went abroad (aside from the US and the UK mainly), they tended to stay in the same hotel all 5 (such as when they all stayed at Hotel Fasano in Brazil). I remember in particular when they stayed in Phuket, Liam, Zayn, and Louis were in one hotel and Niall and Harry in another.
While decisions were made for the group, Harry securedĀ separate arrangements.
SUPER LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER
This is literally an email that came out from WikiLeaks, when they hacked Sony. Here you have it directly from the source.
Richard Griffiths, one of the heads of Modest Management, politely declined to have Harry promote a band by Dr. Luke (the same Dr. Luke that's in a legal battle with Kesha) because HE DIDN'T WANT TO DIVIDE THE BAND.
Dr. Luke tried to directly email Richard after having dinner with him and hearing "no." He didn't hear back from Richard, so he wrote, and this is important, THE CEO OF SONY ENTERTAINMENT. Michael Lynton. Dr. Luke was so important that he had direct contact with the person who oversaw not just Sony Music, but Sony Pictures. The ENTIRE entertainment branch of Sony. Just to make it clear, it is the same position that Rob Stringer holds now.
Did Harry ever record that video? Well, no.
But Miss Substack here wants to tell us that she knows better, better than a leaked email, straight from the source, that outright contradicts her. This was two years after Harry and Jeff met. In fact, this was happening a few weeks before this email:
That's Jeff and Glenne skiing with Kendall and Harry in January 2014.
You know, maybe, and this is a wild guess, but maybe Harry and Jeff were actually friends and then decided to go into business together. You know, like they explained themselves... multiple times...
On one hand, Azoff builtĀ Stylesā trustĀ by enveloping him in theĀ trappings of luxury. On the other, he sent aĀ clear messageĀ to the band: a hierarchy exists, with Harry as the star and the others as subordinates.
Girl, Harry was A MILLIONAIRE. All FIVE OF THEM were. He did not need Jeff Azoff to be "enveloped in the trappings of luxury." Also, she's clearing painting a picture of "Harry traveled in private jets and used luxury suites" and the others... didn't? Lmao. They ALL did.
They ALL traveled private, they all stayed in presidential penthouses. This is the "Mystery Machine" Zayn and Louis got custom built in 2013. Louis owns a literal life size Spiderman statue. Liam owned a penthouse on the 34th floor at Canary Wharf. What are we doing here?
By inserting himselfĀ forcefullyĀ into the bandās affairs, Azoff effectively ran aĀ shadow management operation, sowing envy and resentment to undermine the groupās unity. The facade of ātogethernessā became increasinglyĀ untenable.
How did Jeff "insert himself forcefully into the band's affairs"? What did he do? Because so far she's been completely wrong about the very few assessments she made, and she's not shown a single shred of proof for anything.
Empty big words that mean nothing and are backed up by nothing.
The impact was immediate.Ā Zayn Malikās departureĀ in March 2015, (...)
I cut it off here because it's so unintentionally funny. Was the impact immediate? So from 2012 to 2015, three full years, that's... immediate? One Direction released three albums, toured the world three times, released two documentaries, like four separate fragrances, multiple sets of dolls, etc in the span of those three years.
Zayn Malikās departureĀ in March 2015, viewed through this lens, was not a whim or breakdown but aĀ lucid act by a young man recognizing a rigged game. His exit was a desperateĀ strategic moveĀ to avoid irrelevance before the inevitable āStyles projectā dominated the market, allowing Zayn to claim space first.
Harry stayed in the band until the contract ended. He sat them down in late 2014 and told them he wasn't going to re-sign. We've been over this in detail, you can read it here.
Zayn betrayed them. Didn't tell them he was leaving. Upped and left in the middle of tour, because selfishly he wanted to be the breakout star. He lost them a completion bonus of about Ā£2 million each, and didn't even explain why he left. He put out a lousy excuse about wanting to be a normal 22-year-old when he was already writing his solo music, then tried to claim it was a mental health thing, but also that he wanted to be the breakout star... so which one is it?
While they adhered to standard protocols, Harry was āpamperedā by an external power: luxury hotels, private jets, dinners with A-listers. What does aĀ teenager feelĀ when confronted with such disparity, realizing theyāre not theĀ chosen one? The most human emotions:Ā envy and resentment. Inevitably, the sense of not beingĀ enoughĀ took root.
Girl, what the actual fuck are you talking about? Where are you even getting this?
THEY ALL HAD THAT. ALL FIVE OF THEM. THROUGHOUT THEIR TIME IN THE BAND.
Initially, theĀ Styles-AzoffĀ allianceĀ fueled the bandās U.S. market penetration, benefitingĀ all membersĀ while One Direction was at its peak.
I just love how this person completely ignores the fact that record labels exist. IT WAS 1D'S RECORD LABEL THAT HELPED THEM PENETRATE THE US MARKET! They signed with COLUMBIA RECORDS, one of the biggest records companies on the planet, in late 2011.
What the fuck would 25 year-old Jeff Azoff, who did NOT work for the band OR Harry AT ALL have to do with it? Is it because he's Jewish? are you saying this because he's Jewish?
I have to skip long chunks of the text because she bases her entire "theory" (which she poses as fact) on literal falsehoods, so I'm just stuck here repeating "that's not true, that's not true, that's not true."
The Slow Courtship (2013ā2015)
This pattern describes the phase ofĀ cultivating the assetĀ while he remainedĀ contractually bound to another entityĀ (Modest Management).
Harry wasn't contractually bound to Modest. He was contractually bound to SYCO. He could've switched management companies whenever the fuck he wanted. YOU employ your manager. Not the other way around.
This entire text is just fanfiction based on a complete misunderstanding of how the music industry works, written by someone with lots of airs who thinks they know because they googled three things.
By the time One Directionās final tour rolled around in 2015, the tempo shifts.Ā Private jetsĀ toĀ Palm Springs, weekends inĀ St. Barts, backstage passes toĀ Eagles showsāthese arenāt perks.
The weekend in St. Barts happened in 2016, when the band was already over. Niall is super close friends with Don Henley, to the point where they call each other "Dad" and "son."
Louis vacationed in St Barts via private jet with Eleanor in 2014. And not for a weekend. They were there for like 10 days.
This girl seems to have parachuted into the 1D fandom with literally no knowledge of anything, and then decided that she would school everyone on what happened, how and when. With ZERO knowledge.
I'm not doing research while typing any of this. I'm going off FUCKING MEMORY. Just searching the terms I already know to search because I was a fan as this was happening. She's rewriting history. Flat out.
Theyāre deliberate contrasts, aĀ lifestyle the rest of the band canāt touch.
I'm just flabbergasted at the gall. How far are some people willing to go to victimize these four men??
A LIFESTYLE THE REST OF THE BAND CAN'T TOUCH???? WHAT????
Access to theĀ Pre-Grammy galaĀ honoring Irving Azoff or theĀ Madison ClubĀ isnāt a bonusāitās the point.Ā Jeff becomes the gatekeeper to a universe Harry canāt reach alone.
But Zayn can reach it alone, so why the fuck wouldn't Harry??
This woman is so condescending and diminishing of the other four as well. She's painting them as destitute and nobodies. They're millionaires, in the best position to make every connection and live a life of ultimate luxury. Give me a fucking break.
The Company Built Around the Star
The timeline shows that Jeff Azoffās managerial infrastructure (Full Stop Management) wasĀ notĀ pre-existent to Styles; it was builtĀ around him.
LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER
The company was built around Irving. Irving left Live Nation in 2013 and signed a non-compete agreement that prevented him from working in a lot of parts of the industry (particularly live music). This non-compete ran for two years and ended in late 2015.
Full Stop Management was founded by Jeff and Tommy, then later joined by multiple other managers, including Jeff's father, Irving. It was clearly always the plan for Irving to join Full Stop (why the fuck wouldn't he?). It was announced shortly after the company itself was announced and before Harry released music.
Jeff leaves CAA in early 2016, announces the new firm, and within weeks, HarryāsĀ DunkirkĀ casting andĀ Columbia dealĀ break inĀ perfect sequence.
The Full Stop announcement was March 7. Harry signed with Columbia June 24. Both 2016, but definitely not "within weeks" unless you'd call almost 16 weeks that... The Dunkirk announcement was just a few days after the Full Stop announcement, but... Full Stop had nothing to do with Dunkirk.
Harry had auditioned since January for the role. The role was offered to him via his agent Alex Mebed (CAA, but film, not music). The movie was under Warner Bros Studios, which has literally NO correlation with Sony, Full Stop, CAA, or anything of the sort. The announcement was handled by Warner. Jeff and Co would have no control over that at all.
Taylor Swift (October 2012 ā January 2013): The Invisible Hand
Jeff is nowhere in the paparazzi shots, yet his fingerprints areĀ everywhere. As a senior CAA agent, he worked the levers from a distance. TheĀ One Direction Madison Square Garden showāAzoff family holy groundālandedĀ smack in the middle of the Swift whirlwind.
BUT THE AZOFFS HAD NO CONNECTION TO MSG IN DECEMBER 2012. The Azoffs also have no connection to Taylor Swift whatsoever!
This reeks of antisemitism, too. The wording is disgusting. "His fingerprints are everywhere." It's quite literally another way of saying this:
It's abhorrent and disgusting and this person should be ashamed of themselves.
I'm not going to continue after this. We've reached a point of no return. The text goes on forever, essentially saying that the Azoffs control every single aspect of Harry's life and career. I can't even begin to explain how problematic that is.
Hopefully showing you that she's DEAD WRONG on ALL her assessments until this point is enough. Never send me links to that woman again. She needs to be reported to the ACLU.
A lot has been said about Louis Tomlinsonās vocals, but instead of offering constructive criticism that might actually help him improve, his fans choose to blatantly lie and ignore his issues.
Last week, he covered Too Sweet by Hozier for BBCās Live Loungeāand it exposed most of his vocal shortcomings.
So here they areāboth versions, side by side. Iāve lined up each part of Louisā cover with the same section from Hozierās live performance, alternating between them throughout the song to show the difference more clearly.
In the first verse, while the difference is obviously noticeable, the gap is not that egregious. When they reach the chorus...... I.... and the second verse....
You can watch the full live versions I used for each in the following links:
Hozier at the Late Show with Stephen Colbert
Louis Tomlinson at BBC's Live Lounge
What the cover exposed:
Louis is autotuned to death. You can hear the robotic effect throughout the song. It was most obvious on the radio version and slightly corrected in the YouTube upload, but even there, itās still very noticeable.
Even with autotune, Louis is off pitch. At first, I thought the radio version might be a stylistic choice ā like Cher or T-Pain used to do ā rather than an attempt to correct his pitch. But after hearing the YouTube version, itās clear they were trying to fix it. This raises the question: is Louis essentially tone deaf? I canāt understand how he could be so off pitch even with autotune.
He cannot sustain notes. To be clear, Iām not talking about the āwhiskey neatā note ā I mean the ātoo sweet for meā note. That note should be easy for him in chest voice. He could sustain similar notes in the past, like in his 2012 cover of Valerie. Now, it seems his vocal cords are so strained that even basic sustains feel difficult.
Not knowing the lyrics is egregious. Presumably, he rehearsed this song extensively to perform live on one of Englandās most important music shows. How did he not learn the chorus? Reading the lyrics off the stand made his performance stiff and awkward.
He has no emotion in his voice. Compared to Hozier, itās not just tone or technique ā though both are issues ā but the overall delivery. He sounds like a child singing in a school play. The difference is obvious in the second pre-chorus: Hozier sings, āYou know youāre bright as the morning, as soft as the rainā¦ā smooth and soft, while Louis sounds like heās singing Happy Birthday.
Backing vocalists overshadow him. Hozierās backing vocalists stay in the background. Louisā are often as loud ā or louder ā than he is. In this performance it was slightly less noticeable since they joined only for parts, but in almost every other live performance, his backing vocalists essentially carry the song.
Louis does no ad-libs. Hozier occasionally uses āoooooohā or other embellishments; Louis just sings the lyrics. His backing vocalists do some ad-libs, but he does not.
No vocal flourish. In Hozierās second verse, on lines like āI aim true, and the groundās where I goā and āfree from the phone,ā subtle vocal flourishes make the delivery beautiful. Louis has none. He seems incapable of adding that kind of nuance.
Vocal range matters. Hozierās range is about 3 octaves and 7 semitones (E2āB5). Louisā range is 1 octave and 9 semitones (C3āA4). Too Sweet spans D3āAāÆ4 ā the highest note is one semitone above Louisā upper limit. Some fans claim the song is ātoo deepā for him, but the real issue is the top note. He can hit the low parts easily (D3), but the highest note (AāÆ4, the word āneatā) is just beyond his reach
This comparison isnāt to say that Louis should have sung exactly like Hozier. You can absolutely put your own spin on a cover. But his vocal delivery was significantly worse. Iām not suggesting he needs to match Hozierās emotion, flourishes, or ad-libs in the exact same spots ā but having none of that anywhere is definitely subpar. Almost every song, especially one like Too Sweet, benefits from subtle embellishments. Itās the difference between singing karaoke with friends and performing as a professional.
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When I started this blog, my goal was to push back against Louisā fandom and expose their lies and manipulation ā particularly when it came to attacks on Harry. Over time, itās evolved, but because of that, I feel itās fair to hold my favorite artist to the same scrutiny. Does he hold up? Or am I being too harsh on Louis?
I applied the exact same method to Harryās rendition of Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel.
I even created a standalone post with just the video, for anyone who wants to watch it, but here it is:
Completely different vocal delivery. Peter Gabriel is a great vocalist, but Harryās rendition is flawless and even improves on Peterās in some places. I specifically chose this performance of Peterās because itās from his 1987 documentary ā the year after Sledgehammer was released. In recent years, Peterās voice has naturally deteriorated, and it wouldnāt be fair to compare him to a 26-year-old Harry (Peter is now seventy-five).
I picked this cover because itās probably the toughest benchmark Harry could face. The song is legendary, and this is a 1:1 comparison ā not a different genre than he usually performs, not a band versus solo artist, not a female versus male singer. Peter Gabriel and this song are so beloved that if Harry pulls ahead here, itās likely he shines in all his covers.
Harry has to remain relatively stiff because heās in a radio studio ā same as Louis ā but he still adds little dance breaks (I only included part of one), moves naturally, knows the lyrics by heart, and throws in ad-libs completely different from Peterās. The performance isnāt just incredible; itās also fun. He clearly seems to be having a blast.
Louis, by contrast, seems like he wants the whole thing to be over as fast as possible. Which begs the questionā¦ why does he even still try to call himself an artist?
Both great vocalists give this incredible song their own twist in their live performances. Watching them back to back shows how great and unique performers both are.
Iām gonna need Larries to watch this whole video from top to bottom. A gay conspiracy theory has been confirmed real, and they spent 90% of the video explaining how awful it was that the conspiracy theory existed, how it almost broke them up, and how Dan was suicidal.
Harry and Louis are NOT in a relationship, but if they were, this is what youād be doing to them.
That said, congrats to Dan and Phil! Iām sure it must be so relieving to have that out of the way. And a 16-year-long successful romantic relationship that started in your teens is rare and amazing.
hi :) could you make a post about all these times Louis was shady about Harry since they started their solo careers? I remember some subtle (some not so subtle) shade directed at Harry during Louis' promo cycles
I'd love to. I don't have the time to dig all of that up. Send it over and I'll make the post.
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Not saying Harry Styles is above PR relationship bc heās not. His fans are really delusional for suggesting that, but heās not on an album cycle at all, he has nothing to sell. And heās gone to lengths in the past two years to go under the radar, so I really donāt think heās gunning for attention right now, so even in the unlikely scenario that Zoe decided to do PR with someone who isnāt Austin to promote a movie in which she and Austin are a couple, what motivation would Harry have to go along with it? And I need a better answer than āgetting his name in the pressā because thatās way too much effort (been in New York for a week seemingly just walking, when heās typically not in the States at all). For instance, he has literally not posted a single thing on social media (except an in memoriam when his friend passed way) in 2 1/2 years. One would think heād start there not at āfake relationship.ā
He could find several other ways of promoting himself that wouldnāt include faking a relationship halfway across the world from home.
Correct me if Iām wrong, because Iām not a publicist, but instinct tells me that A list celebrities are stingy with their free time and they donāt particularly like the idea of wasting weeks with no specific ROI.
Anon just saved me a whole bunch of replies!
I get a lot of "How dare you suggest PR relationships don't exist?" when I have done no such thing (I guess Eiza tried to?)
But there are risks and tons of logistical hurdles that make it an unlikely tool for someone with so much existing visibility. At the point the length of your shorts or haircut is getting press, a buzzy girlfriend isn't strictly necessary.
Celebs are strategicāor at the very least carefulāabout who they date publicly, and it's fair to call that "PR," but "fake" is a stretch. š
Harry being seen with Zoe Kravitz is somehow promo for her movie
That the movie is bad
That the movie is flopping
That either of those things would even reflect on Zoe herself
That she's not a well-regarded actress
That she has a negative image
Let's go point by point.
#1 Harry and Zoe were spotted by fans three times. All three times have the fans accounted for. There's video footage of the first fan falling to her knees after seeing them. The third one, despite being posted directly by Deuxmoi, is not even on anon.
So, let's get this "narrative" straight... to promote a movie, they had the third-billed actor in it stroll around multiple cities with an incredibly sought out A-lister, in the hopes that they would be caught by fans. Not even bothering to hire paparazzi, just... hoping to be seen. Possibly wasting both the actress and the A-lister's time. And the A-lister, with literally not a thing to promote himself, simply agreed to it because...?
"He wants to keep himself in the press," mmhmm. Right right. But the man gets "himself in the press" by literally breathing. He was in a very long round of press by existing in Rome when the Pope was announced. By running a marathon. By... *checks notes* wearing... shorts? Why exactly would he need to be linked to a woman? Let's put our thinking caps on. He was *just* in the press for days by selling sex toys and we didn't even see his face for it. All the items sold out immediately. Why the hell would he need to do this??
And why would the movie do PR by having the third-billed actress linked to Harry instead of... the two co-stars.... linked together... as it was ALREADY HAPPENING IN THE PRESS! Zoe and Austin Butler were being rumored to be hooking up/dating. And they play a couple in the movie. Why would they decide to not go with that, deny that was happening, and instead pair Zoe with Harry?
And even in the nonsensical choice of, while wanting to do "stunts" to promote a movie, choosing to explicitly saynat the two actors, who play a couple, are not involved despite rumors (while both are single, mind you, so what's the harm?) why not have Austin do the "stunting"? You know, the actual lead actor? Why Zoe?
There's no angle in which this is "promo" for her movie, which is why no one online except Larries is saying that. Usually people who follow pop culture online automatically assume everything is PR, but in this case they are not. Maybe wonder why not even those people are on your side this time.
#2 I have not watched this movie and the genre doesn't intrigue me, but the reviews are overwhelmingly positive. It's such a staple for Larries to be like "oh the movie is not looking good."
Huh, could've fooled me.
#3 "The movie is flopping in the box office"
Is it? Is it really?
Almost 16M in one weekend for a 40M budget movie is.......... ok?? Especially without China in the mix yet.
This isn't accounting for all territories. So far it's been released in 31 territories (3 more coming including China) outside of the US+Canada and we only have reports from 11. We don't even have India's numbers, which is typically a big market (couple mill). It's probably gonna break 19/20M when all is said and done, just for the first weekend, without China.
China could push this a lot further if it connects, and if it does it could be a box office success. If it doesn't, it won't be a flop, just not incredible. The movie could also have great legs and do amazing without China as well.
But anyway...
#4 None of this would actually affect Zoe Kravitz lmao. It's not her responsibility for the movie to do well. It's the studio's/the director's. If any of the actors were to suffer from it not doing that well (which is unlikely anyway), it would be Austin. Like, this is the poster of the movie.
#5 Zoe is not the next Meryl Streep, but she's alright. She's won some prestigious awards from festivals, been nominated to some others, has been in really big franchises and her acting was well-regarded. She's middle of the road. And she's a movie star, not a TV star, which is a high distinction. She's not Nina Dobrev (or Danielle Campbell, ahem).
#6 Zoe Kravitz is mostly considered cool. That's it. There's some negativity attached to her name in a "your fave is problematic" fashion, but then again, Harry has some of that as well. I can't think of a single big name in the spotlight who doesn't.
The first word most people would define Zoe with is cool.
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I don't particularly care about Zoe. I don't even know if she and Harry are serious in any way. I just find the endless cope from Larries really unserious.
Iām still around, Iām just not super motivated to make long posts that take hours and hours. Job + personal life have been thriving which makes it so I have less time to kill. I canāt exactly say when Iāll be back but I will be at some point. I want to finish fixing the blog and post a bunch of stuff, butā¦ yeah, I usually enjoy it and it had started to feel like a chore.
Louis recently liked a Larry vid on insta and then unliked it. People have screenshots. This happened during Glastonbury. Your thoughts??
He was probably drunkenly looking up both of their names on Instagram to see what people were saying about them at Glasto and accidentally liked it. Heās said in the past that heās jealous of Harryās success so I can imagine that both being at the same event but getting wildly different coverage isnāt good for his ego.
Harry is rumored to be a secret performer or people say heās probably eyeing things to headline in 2027. Meanwhile Louis is only talked about very sparsely and theyāre mostly just talking about his gf, whoās a UK starlet.
What I take from it the most is that the tweet from HSD posting about the like only has 25,000 likes so far
I think itās very telling as to how many Larries have exited the conspiracy.
I found this screenshot someone else tweeted right below the tweet about the like. Look at the interactionsā¦ and itās just a meme. Three years ago that like wouldāve gotten 100,000 likes incredibly fast, both from Larries and nostalgic 1D fans.
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Anon with the link asking me to debunk the major of the hagsā¦
Iām never ever going to post a link to that blog. Itās why I call her that instead of the name most people use for her.
I find her blog a cesspool of antisemitism, misogyny, and racism. Sheās a sociopath who needs psychological help and I would never direct people to read her incredibly harmful rhetoric. She should be deplatformedāboth for the benefit of her own mental health and because sheās poisonous.
Sorry, I had to delete the post about Harry and post it again because I added/edited a bunch of stuff but Tumblr would NOT save the changes. Thank god I always save a copy of the HTML code of the posts, otherwise I'd be very upset.
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