you can tell suits writers really thought we were watching their show for their fake law bs and not the drama because why did they never let donna have her acting career like it could've happened if they allowed her to be a character outside of harvey or giving mike trying for another career post season 5 we are watching for the characters not the fake lawyering not to mention they should've let rachel go to another state for college
they thought waaaaaay too highly of the fake law bs, that's for sure. korsh sort of acknowledged this in an interview he did way back in the day (2012) when he said "we try not to use real cases just because...it doesn’t have to be real, it just kind of has to seem real because sometimes the way it would be...in reality is just not as interesting or exciting." the problem here, for my money, is that they didn't just stray into inaccuracy every now and again (see: the good wife), they straight up pretended real laws don't exist. "it just has to kind of seem real" jfc i don't even remember how many episodes i finished watching only to immediately start researching u.s. case law because that cannot be how the law really works, it simply cannot. (and i would say about 99% of the time, it wasn't.)
the thing is, though, i don't think they thought we were more invested in the fake law bs than the characters, per se; i think they just misunderstood what about the characters we were interested in. korsh has always seemed overly invested in the various romances and potential romances between characters; in the interview mentioned above, when asked what he thinks people find so relatable about the show, he said (among other things, including "the banter of...in particular, mike with harvey") that "they root for mike and rachel and jenny and, you know, to kind of see who he’s going to end up with." and in an interview given in 2017, he said that "the art of tease for harvey and donna is vital. he believes that 'people enjoy anticipation and yearning more than they give those feelings credit.'"
and like, that's...fine? i guess? but personally, given that the whole entire premise of the show is mike's untapped brilliance and the enormous fraud he and harvey are committing, his future romantic partner is probably the thing about him that i'm the least interested in. (unless it was going to be harvey. which it was never. so let's not even get into the complexities of that.)
korsh did say something supremely weird in that 2017 interview, though: "darvey is different from mike and rachel. the show successfully keeps mike and rachel together, though a 'dramatic tension' is maintained there. with harvey and donna, korsh thinks that people wouldn't like to 'see them having major conflict if they were to get together.'"
i'm gonna ignore the part where he claims they "successfully" keep mike and rachel together, much less with "dramatic tension," and focus more on the part where he thinks that if harvey and donna got together, it would necessarily result in a "major conflict." or perhaps that it should include one, but that people wouldn't like to see it, and therefore they couldn't include it in the narrative (yet).
this man does not know how to write romantic relationships. he simply does not. what "dramatic tension," mike and rachel are toxic as hell, and i fully agree that harvey and donna would experience at minimum a "major conflict" if they had gotten together in season 6, and the only reason they didn't in season 8 was that harvey was already dead inside due to the lack of mike. and of course don't forget that the only way they were able to get around the "relationship as harvey to donna, boss to secretary" was to force donna into a role for which she was eminently unqualified solely for the purpose of putting them on a level corporate hierarchical playing field.
but yeah, what about donna's acting ambitions? what about mike's hero complex leading him into another profession, especially after the trauma (not that you'd know it from watching) of literal imprisonment for legal fraud? what about rachel's desire to get out from her father's shadow and make a name for herself entirely on her own merits?
none of that, no way. only two fundamental plotlines are allowed to coexist at any given time, and those are whatever bullshit lawyering is going on, and whatever torrid romances the characters are engaged in. everything else that happens needs to tie back to at least one of these two items in some way, which is fine for, say, law & order, which is very up front about being about the law and the order with characters' personal lives only occasionally becoming relevant, and even then, explicitly for plot purposes, but suits is, first and foremost, a legal soap. (not that korsh would ever admit as much.) it tries to have its cake and eat it too by making the characters' personal lives a major plot point, but then makes the mistake of refusing to let the characters have personal lives at all removed from their work ones.
given how clearly they stopped even pretending to give a shit about the legal running plot by season 7, i'm tempted to say they would have been better off giving up the premise entirely and leaning harder into the soap part. then again, look at what that did to season 9; maybe there was no right answer all along.
(this got a lot more ranty that i planned... sorry, i'm going through some shit right now. 🙃)
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I’ve been curious abt this for some time. They mentioned originally that donna wasnt written to be a permanent character, i was thinking it was when she was fired, then her storyline wouldve just ended there. How do you think they wouldve handled things if she actually was permanently gone? (Knowing that the ending was harvey/donna)
hmmmm... i know that she wasn't originally a permanent character, but i'm not sure how long it took them to decide to make her one, so i don't know if her being fired was initially intended to get rid of her permanently and then dialed back at the last second, or it was always intended to play out the way it did. although given that she was both fired and hired back within the first 10 episodes of s2 (which are, by korsh's admission, the only ones they have planned out when they begin writing/filming a season), i'm inclined to say they had already committed to keeping her on by that point.
from a purely hypothetical standpoint, let's say she was fired for the coastal motors memo (s02e05) but the writers already knew they were going to make darvey endgame (s08e16). i would still have harvey pouting and sulking and begging her to come back, and have louis ask her on the stand (the mock stand, anyway) if she's in love with harvey and harvey interrupt before she can answer, but ultimately i'd have her reject the attempt to rehire her and decide instead to take another shot at her acting career; after so many years as harvey's insanely overpaid secretary, she ought to have more than enough money in the bank to live off of her savings for a while. and if she gets really desperate, she could always put a few dozen of her outfits up on eBay, rake in an easy couple thou.
what to do, then, for seasons 2.5 through 8? ejecting her from the show right after heavily, heavily implying that she and harvey "have feelings" for one another, as they say, at least sets them up to be the endgame from early on. still, six and a half seasons is a long time to go without having the ultimate love interest present onscreen...
personally, i think i would have harvey spend the back half of s2 and probably the front half of s3 tangibly mourning the loss of donna in his life. not as catatonic as his s8 post-mike dead man walking routine, but clearly feeling her absence around the workplace, and showing some signs of their personal friendship being on the rocks; the two of them drifting apart, or donna intentionally distancing herself. (it's about time she put herself first tbh.) then what i would do is maybe around mid- to late-s4, have him get into a relationship with another woman; probably not zoe, because adding olivia into the situation is a little too complicated; definitely not paula, because what the fucking fuck; not esther, because the whole point of that was just to screw with harvey's relationship with louis.
in fact, i would put him with an entirely new character. (i didn't forget about scottie, just hang on to that for a minute.) ideally, i would have him get together with another attorney, someone from a different firm who he finds he has a vibe with and then can spend maybe three quarters of a season will-they-or-won't-they-ing until they decide to get together, either at the end of s4 or mid-s5, before the prison arc starts. their relationship would start off in a real honeymoon phase, or at least with no visible problems; anything that does come up that seems slightly imperfect is brushed aside without a second thought, and she's very supportive and understanding of his total insanity while mike is at danbury. she's even supportive during his spiraling when mike gets out of prison and decides to go to the clinic instead of coming back to psl. except...as time goes on, particularly after mike comes back and harvey becomes more at peace with his life, the cracks start to show; his girlfriend is great in a crisis, any high-octane, high-pressure situation, but the two of them just being a couple of people in a chill relationship under totally normal circumstances perhaps don't vibe quite as well as they first thought. and then mike starts showing his unrest, and hinting that he wants to leave, and harvey's attention is clearly focused entirely on mike instead of literally anything else, and she can deal with harvey going through some shit, but this is a little much. they spend the first half of s8 trying to make it work, putting all the pieces back together, until they come to the reasoned and mature mutual decision (i know, i know, but this is all hypothetical to begin with, so might as well go all in) to break up.
for the back half of s8, i would have scottie come back and the two of them fuck around in a sort of "hey, maybe...?" kind of way, even though they both know going in that it's probably not going to work out; finally, at the end of the season, they break up for good, and harvey's free to realize with a clean conscience that it's donna he's wanted to be with all along. i'd like to see her have become a moderately successful theater actor, probably not originating any roles on broadway just yet, but maybe a few short-term background roles, or an understudy in a bigger production who's set to take over the role when the lead leaves the show; now that she's had a chance to become her own person and live her own life, she's ready and willing to give herself and harvey a chance as a couple. it definitely wouldn't start off with harvey abruptly accosting donna at her apartment and the two of them suddenly having sex without a word, but i could see him going to her place without warning and confessing to her, and then the two of them opening a dialogue from there.
now, do i think this is how they would have handled it? no, absolutely not, i think they would've put harvey through the same string of failed romances he endured in canon, spent a couple episodes near the end of season 8 suddenly name-dropping donna like crazy seemingly out of nowhere, and then ended the season the exact same way they already did. they probably would've even had donna end up coming back to work at the firm somehow in some managerial position no one's ever heard of.
well, that's what i think, anyway. thank you for asking!
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one of those "aura farm" suits videos showed up to me on tiktok and it was the episode where harvey is representing that one harvard professor anyways my point is they show him arguing with both mike and donna in this episode and omg the difference between "I'm calling you out and making you see where you are wrong in a normal argument" vs "you are wrong and you'll do as I say cause I'm always right" is insane and kinda infuriating I know it's post season 3 aka they completely forgot how to write donna as a compelling character but damn
i know, right? when i say they took a good, compelling character and completely ruined her forever, this is a big part of what i'm talking about. like, sure, harvey and mike got pretty shouty at each other from time to time, but it was almost always in the context of trying to keep each other safe, or stop one another from sacrificing himself to cover for the other.
...to name just a couple of examples.
the writers fucked donna over so badly not only by making her so arrogant, but by making her literally always be right. apart from the coastal motors memo situation, where she was definitely wrong but also kind of made the victim (within the context of the show), she's just. never allowed to be wrong. (well, "the donna," but that was so phenomenally stupid that making it succeed would have made them all a total laughingstock, and she was made to seem pitiful and tragic there, too.) there is no nuance whatsoever, no differing but equally valid opinions, no chastisement for her superior attitude. she says it, so it's true. ipso facto.
and even if she is right, one thing i absolutely hate about all of this is that there's never any discussion. her forcing harvey to go to his father's funeral, for example; even if he was ultimately going to end up attending, she didn't bother asking him why he didn't want to go, or if there was anything that could help him be more comfortable going there, because she figured she already knew everything and therefore the conclusion she came to was well-informed and, because it's her, infallible. every single objection he tried to raise, every concern he had, she bulldozed right over it: "i'll grieve my father in my own way." "no, you won't." "my mother's going to be there." "this isn't about her, or you, this is me informing you that you have to go or you'll regret it and also i already bought you a train ticket so shut up and get going."
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i have no question but i just wanted to let you know your gifsets are soooo beautiful and i get so excited when i see gifs from you because they are SO MEANINGFUL and the analysis is SO DEEP and its so GORGEOUS and i will SLAM that reblog button every time!!! thank you so much for your work i love it sm!!!
omg, thank you!! i’ve been doing this for 15 years (yikes!!!) now, so it really means so much that there are people like you who are still enjoying the things i put out there. i’m always wracking my brain trying to figure out how to make the old things feel new, and it truly makes my little marvey heart so happy to hear that they feel meaningful!
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I was reading a marvey story and the author has like everyone in it (and an OC) but not rachel and I gotta say I hope I don't sound ridiculous but she's kinda necessary to his character in the first two seasons I just think they should've kept them being friends instead of whatever happens after grammy dies she actually gave him such good advices when you think about it (and mike in this story could use them lmao) I'm always thinking about what we could've had if suits writers knew how to write women post season 2/3
you don't sound ridiculous at all! i like it when fics include rachel as mike's friend, whether they dated and then broke up or decided never to even bother in the first place. and i would have loved mike and rachel to stay friends in the show; it was insanely obvious from the moment they met that they were going to be a couple, so of course i never expected such a thing, but their friend dynamic was so much better than their couple dynamic, and she was such a cooler character. mike absolutely needed a good, solid, non-romantic-option, non-harvey friend, and...he didn't really have one. like, ever. i wonder how his life might've been different if he'd had someone to help him sit down and talk through all his bullshit from time to time? not that he would've avoided prison or anything, but maybe he would've been a little more level-headed, let's say. perhaps a bit calmer overall.
the thing is, unfortunately, the writers do actually (kind of) know how to write women; they just don't know how to write women in romantic relationships. and after a certain point, they don't really know what plotlines to give women that aren't romantic relationships, so we always end up back there anyway, regardless of their best efforts. consider that jessica is a great character and fairly well-written (by suits standards, anyway, although i wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that her character was originally planned to be a man); katrina too was one of my favorites, that ridiculous tangent with brian notwithstanding (she stuck around long enough to land herself her very own infidelity b-plot, the poor girl); even donna was a great character—flawed, certainly, but a lot better than what she devolved into—until mid-s4 when they decided to eventually pair her off with harvey. i guess i would say the writers aren't too bad writing women in the short term, but nine seasons... they took on a bit more than they could handle, shall we say. poor guys.
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Harvey specter really is insane and the parallels the show draws up in the second season are equally (if not more so) unhinged.
What do you mean that Jessica just TELLS Harvey to fire Mike and he does everything in his power or rather goes immediately to putting everything he has ever loved on the line to save mike ross because he'd rather give up the firm and the job he loves and has worked his ass off for if he doesn't get to do it with mike.
A few months in and he can't imagine his life without him.
And Donna? She actually DOES get fired and harvey does nothing. Absolutely nothing to get her back. He never even fought for her, not in a way that mattered anyway and she does very pointedly bring that up and Harvey has no answer for it.
Am i really supposed to believe that mike wasn't the only one he cared for the most?