I was reading a marvey story and the author has like everyone in it (and an OC) but not rachel and I gotta say I hope I don't sound ridiculous but she's kinda necessary to his character in the first two seasons I just think they should've kept them being friends instead of whatever happens after grammy dies she actually gave him such good advices when you think about it (and mike in this story could use them lmao) I'm always thinking about what we could've had if suits writers knew how to write women post season 2/3
you don't sound ridiculous at all! i like it when fics include rachel as mike's friend, whether they dated and then broke up or decided never to even bother in the first place. and i would have loved mike and rachel to stay friends in the show; it was insanely obvious from the moment they met that they were going to be a couple, so of course i never expected such a thing, but their friend dynamic was so much better than their couple dynamic, and she was such a cooler character. mike absolutely needed a good, solid, non-romantic-option, non-harvey friend, and...he didn't really have one. like, ever. i wonder how his life might've been different if he'd had someone to help him sit down and talk through all his bullshit from time to time? not that he would've avoided prison or anything, but maybe he would've been a little more level-headed, let's say. perhaps a bit calmer overall.
the thing is, unfortunately, the writers do actually (kind of) know how to write women; they just don't know how to write women in romantic relationships. and after a certain point, they don't really know what plotlines to give women that aren't romantic relationships, so we always end up back there anyway, regardless of their best efforts. or maybe those are their best efforts, i don't know. but consider that jessica is a great character and fairly well-written (by suits standards, anyway, although i wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that her character was originally planned to be a man); katrina too was one of my favorites, that ridiculous tangent with brian notwithstanding (she stuck around long enough to land herself her very own infidelity b-plot, the poor girl); even donna was a great character—flawed, certainly, but a lot better than what she devolved into—until mid-s4 when they decided to eventually pair her off with harvey. i guess i would say the writers aren't too bad writing women in the short term, but nine seasons... they took on a bit more than they could handle, shall we say. poor guys.
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Harvey specter really is insane and the parallels the show draws up in the second season are equally (if not more so) unhinged.
What do you mean that Jessica just TELLS Harvey to fire Mike and he does everything in his power or rather goes immediately to putting everything he has ever loved on the line to save mike ross because he'd rather give up the firm and the job he loves and has worked his ass off for if he doesn't get to do it with mike.
A few months in and he can't imagine his life without him.
And Donna? She actually DOES get fired and harvey does nothing. Absolutely nothing to get her back. He never even fought for her, not in a way that mattered anyway and she does very pointedly bring that up and Harvey has no answer for it.
Am i really supposed to believe that mike wasn't the only one he cared for the most?
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would love to pick your brain about mike and harvey adopting. i’ve never imagined harvey as a parent, but i can see him be a good father with mike by his side. i don’t know if this is me working with canon here or the million fics i’ve read. please enlighten me, i love to read your thoughts.
i'm flattered you're interested in my thoughts, thank you!
(this got...very long...)
as with most canon-branching marvey scenarios, i think it depends a lot on when they get together and also when they decide to adopt, and also whether they decide to adopt a baby or a young child or teenager. if we're talking about s1-s2, i honestly don't see them adopting at all, though them being a couple starting at that point certainly does lay the groundwork for an adoption later on, once they've been together a while and also matured somewhat (to the extent they ever will, anyway). even s3-s4, they're just starting to grapple with the reality of the danger they've put themselves in, and i don't think either of them is irresponsible enough to adopt a child under those circumstances; plus all the upheaval around the sidwell situation, i think harvey would refuse outright, and even mike wouldn't put up much of a fight. (unless we're talking a "kid falls into their laps and they either have to take them in or send them back out on the streets" type of situation, but that's a whole different kind of story.)
so, getting down to brass tacks, let's assume we're talking about post-prison arc marvey who've either been together since before mike went to prison, or got together during/immediately thereafter post-very long buildup. that is, there's no doubt about their love for and devotion to one another, they're in this for the long haul, and they've decided together that they want to adopt a kid.
while i could see them both being open to adopting a baby, i've always envisioned mike in particular as being more drawn to a less adoptable child, that is, a preteen or so, maybe somewhere in the 8-11 range. i think that if he decides to make that commitment, his savior complex is going to get in the way and he's going to view this as not only growing their own family and bringing new joy into their lives and so on, but helping (saving, if you will) a child in need, one who doesn't have anyone else and may be losing hope in, you know, life. and stuff. also tbh i don't see either of them as the "paternity leave" type, and i really don't think harvey in particular would be too keen on the idea of his kid being raised by a nanny, or without parental involvement, so a baby is just too impractical for their lifestyle.
i don't know that they'd actively seek to adopt a "problem child," someone who hasn't been adopted because their personality is too difficult or they have some kind of medical condition, but in my mind, they go visit an orphanage, or a few orphanages, and mike (could be harvey, but my instinct says mike) finds himself drawn to one child in particular for reasons he can't explain or isn't completely aware of himself; the parallel to harvey hiring mike is pretty obvious, but i do think mike would instinctively seek out a kid who was self-isolating in that "you're not going to pick me so just leave me the fuck alone" way. someone mildly aggressive, but as a self-defense measure, a matter of practicality. like i said before, i think mike would be very into the idea of showing this kid that life doesn't have to be that bad if you can just find your people and let them get to know the real you, and the savior complex that he never seems to turn off would prompt him to reach out. (if you think harvey would see something like that and tell mike he has to pick somebody else, i don't know what to tell you. we must've been watching different shows.)
circling back a little bit to where i perhaps should have started: does harvey even want a kid? honestly, i'm gonna say no, it's not something he's really thought about. mike, on the other hand, i think has probably dreamed or fantasized about having a child or children, or even assumed it would always be part of his life eventually. i don't, however, think harvey would agree to adopt as an example of indulging him; i think it would be the result of a lot of long and very serious discussions, but i think harvey would agree of his own volition, and mike would be careful not to start the process until they were both fully on board.
as for the part that i think you were actually asking me about, which is to say, their parenting. first of all, i don't think they would split into a permissive parent/authoritarian parent dynamic; i know "girl dad harvey" is a pretty popular topic right now, but i don't think either harvey or mike would be a total pushover. harvey would surely be the one more inclined to spoil the kid, because that's just what he does and his main way of showing affection, but i think they'd both be aware of acting in the child's best interests, or doing their best to do so; they wouldn't indulge every single whim just to make a good impression. well, maybe a bit at first, but i don't think it would last, once they got their bearings.
the elephant in the room, as it were, is how much their respective upbringings would influence their parenting styles, and to be honest, i don't think very much. harvey's mother lied to him and forced him to lie for her, breaking any form of trust between them, and even if his father was the coolest guy around when he was around, he was mostly absent during harvey's childhood, so what does that translate to, not lying to his kid and also making sure to be present in their life? that's not exactly groundbreaking material. and what's mike going to do, make sure not to die young? i think he had a pretty stable home life apart from that, and grammy certainly raised him right, so he's got some good role models behind him. just be a defensive driver and don't walk into oncoming traffic, done. the main difficulty they're going to have is making sure they have a good work/life balance, and if they're beyond the all the melodramata and internal conflict that the series was so rife with, i think they'll be able to handle it. particularly if they branch off and start their own boutique firm, which is definitely a possibility post-s6 (especially if they take some of the series regulars with them).
overall, i think mike would be more conscious of time spent as a family versus time spent at the office; not that harvery would willfully neglect the child, but if he gets too deep into a suit or something, mike would be the one to remind him about that upcoming piano recital or baseball game or their plans to go to coney island next saturday; they'd probably have a lot fewer late nights and 10:00 PM office rendezvous, and a lot more very consciously attended dinners at home. harvey wouldn't let his mind wander while he's off the clock, but i also think the kid would grow up very accustomed to hearing legalese at the dinner table and probably enter high school with at least a rudimentary understanding of case law. also jazz, harvey would definitely insist on fostering an appreciation for jazz.
i guess the long and the short of it is that i think they've got the potential to be good parents together, but it would take some getting used to, and some life adjustment and reprioritization, which is of course true of any couple having kids for the first time. but i do think they'd be able to get the hang of it, and pretty well, too. 💞
thank you for asking, i hope that was at least kind of what you were looking for!
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rvspecter used to find brand new marvey shippers in the tags and reblog their posts back and forth with their buddies, mocking the newbies until they stopped posting about marvey. they also obviously hate Mike's guts and comment on Patrick's looks. I don't understand how they've gotten away with it for so long.
gosh, how immature... i was never aware of any of this, so i can't say how it could've gone on for so long without anyone saying anything, but bullying like this is obviously completely abhorrent. not to mention a fantastic waste of time and energy, wow; i hope that sort of thing isn't going on in this fandom anymore, but if anyone who comes across this post does find themselves subjected to it, please do know that most of us are much kinder and more welcoming than that (in my experience, at least).
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you should probably not use rvspecter's gifs anymore after she was caught screenshotting marvey shippers and mocking them on twitter. predictably, they have turned off asks now that the mask is off.
well, that fuckin' sucks. thanks for the notice; i changed the gif in the post i made the other day about harvey thinking mike is like him.
