i know she was written like that because korsh can't write women to save his life but it's genuinely worrying to me that so many people think donna was correct about harvey every time especially post season 3 I'll need these people to read stuff with actually flawed well written women fr
same; i mean i know harvey doesn't express his emotions well, or at all, and his rationale for stuff (usually the stuff he does for/to mike) doesn't typically come out unless there's a resultant shouting match, but just because he always seems to succumb to her whims and wishes doesn't mean she's objectively correct.
this seems to speak to a trend that's been growing for some time across media consumption; we've all heard about people reading less and spending less time on literary analysis, yeah? not even talking specifically about the ai-driven erosion of critical thinking skills, just people reading fewer books and thinking less about those they do. in donna's case, and suits in general, the show has been shoving in our faces since literally episode 1 that donna is always right because she's donna, and donna is always right, no supporting evidence required. and it was cute and harmless in the first couple of seasons! there was no real reason or need to think about it any deeper. but she starts pushing her luck further and further, and straining the boundaries of her authority more and more, and it's already been ingrained in the foundations of the show that everything she does is correct, so anyone who's only interested in taking the narrative at face value is going to start bending over backwards to defend her.
what's funny is that all of the characters in this show are deeply flawed and fuck up literally all of the time, and while none of them ever really face consequences that result in actual character development (harvey's post-mike character destruction notwithstanding), she's the only one who ever seems to get a total free pass. except for that one time she gets fired with cause, but. how long does that last, like a week? but otherwise, until "the donna" fiasco, every time someone tries to yell at her or tell her she's wrong, she just puts her hands on her hips and glares indignantly and explains in no uncertain terms that "i'm donna," and everyone is just like "oh yeah right sorry i forgot."
apart from all of the every time it happens, one incidence of her telling harvey what's best for him that really irritates me is when she told him to go to his father's funeral. the thing is that i agree with her that he should have gone, but there was soooo much family drama behind that situation that he needed to be prepared to face when he was going to be completely on his own, and even though she supposedly knew all about it, all she did was tell him he'd regret it if he didn't go. she basically threw him into the deep end without any oxygen tank and her only advice was "good luck figuring this out, i believe in you."
i'm guessing that whole mess didn't turn out quite as she'd intended.
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it's so obvious that the "inevitability" of ai is primarily fueled by the fact that venture capitalists keep pumping money into it and they need to see a return on investment. this is also why so many schools are "incorporating" ai even when most of them have places where that money would be MUCH BETTER SERVED (i.e. hiring and paying faculty)
Setting aside my boiling rage about the state of education for a second, I think what gets me is seeing people online who make hating capitalism part of their personality turn around and buy this "inevitably" crap instead of seeing it as the marketing tactic it really is. Like they'd be able to see through any other company saying "lulz just give in and use our product already ;)" but suddenly it's true that genAI is essential because the poaster hates writing emails, idk. You'd think they'd care about capitalism harming education, but anti-intellectualism is a hell of a drug
thinking abt the mike wearing harvey’s suit again………….. did he have it dry cleaned? Did he ever wear it again and think that mike’s giving him a hug? Did he have it tailored to fit mike instead and just gave it to him? Ugh i love it so much. Absolutely no need for that detail AT ALL and yet. #grateful
i'm torn between mike "i spent $500 for five suits" ross never setting foot in a dry cleaner in his damn life vs mike "my grammy didn't raise no fool" ross separating his darks from his lights and letting half his dryer-safe clothes air dry flat just as a precaution. honestly, way back in s1, i think mike would've put it on a wire hanger, done his best to smooth out the wrinkles, handed it back, and hoped harvey never brought it up again as long as either of them live.
as for harvey, he probably has it preserved in a garment bag in the back of his closet with masking tape over the zipper to remind him not to touch such a precious heirloom. that he...will never mention to mike as long as either of them live.
it is just the most deliciously random detail, though, isn't it? i don't even slightly know what the writers were even going for there; it was definitely still in the "they're like brothers harvey has found his protégé mike has found a new family what is this 'marvey' thing people are whispering about" phase of the show, so like. what the fuck, guys. i mean, thank you, but. seriously what.
the way there's stories about the whole cast finding out about marvey like gabriel showing sarah an explicit marvey fanart but this one is my favorite
https://youtu.be/XJocfZJZiVQ?is=nXf7xDyFCtO7VoGm
tbh i genuinely dislike it when interviewers ask actors to comment on fan creations, be it art or fiction; if the actors bring it up (gabriel, sir), more power to them, but like. canon and fandom are separate things. if the actors aren't partaking for their own amusement, then let's not force it on them, shall we?
that said, based on all the actors-discovering-marvey-fandom interviews i've seen, i'm 100% certain that the vast majority of the cast would've been completely on board for the show to go off in that direction 😆
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mike's storyline is lowkey "what if spider-man ended up rich but he had to marry gwen stacy" (who didn't accept his alter ego in comics) 😭
he does have that "absolute power corrupts absolutely" vibe to him in the later seasons, doesn't he? now that i think of it, i wonder if rachel's influence had anything to do with that... not that harvey would've been much better, probably, but maybe the journey into self-hatred would've taken a slightly different route.
honestly with harvey accepting rachel, donna, scottie and louis cheating then forgiving his mom it does feel like the writers only made him have a problem with that so he could tell mike he got off easy from being beaten up by tess's husband lol
frfr; wasn't it supposed to be such a foundational part of his character? his trauma with his mother was the reason for all his walls and facades, his difficulty opening up to/trusting/getting close to people, even those he cares for deeply, but...not when it's inconvenient to the plot, it isn't! mike needs someone to smack some sense into him to get back together with his soulmate rachel? eh, she cheated, so what, harvey believes in the power of true love triumphing over minor inconveniences. scottie, well, she's a grown woman, she does what she wants. louis? harvey's never understood what goes on in that crazy head of his, what a guy.
i've gone on at length about how nonsensical it was for harvey to persuade mike to forgive rachel and take her back (as have we all), but man, him and donna, that was truly some desperate end-of-the-road bullshit to pull at the eleventh hour. well, the ninth hour ("you made me the one thing i never wanted to be," s07e11) and then a series finale rerun. but also like even pretending he did know with any certainty that donna and thomas had broken up (supposedly he did, but that scene was cut), how the fuck am i supposed to interpret him spending a whole entire season mourning the loss of his better half, getting lectured at by all his coworkers during an extremely vulnerable moment about how happy they are to have someone to come home to and lean on in times of strife, and then rushing off to basically the only option he (kind of) has left? it's desperation, is what it is. it's basically a shot of heroin, a temporary high that'll send him crashing down and scrambling for another fix. (full circle moment, if you want to call all the way back to the pilot; a more modern show would definitely have had mike fencing something harder than pot.)
oh, but, harvey specter hates cheaters, though. and now that he and donna are happily semi-vegas-wedding married, he would definitely never cheat on her ever.
Donna: Harvey, I know Mike cares about you, but his feelings are really hurt. Why don't you just say you're sorry?
Harvey: Donna, marriage is a beautiful thing.
Harvey: But it's also a constant battle for moral superiority.
saw these and first i wanted to draw it to mike but then i Remembered that "harvey, behave" scene so this is what came out of it (theyd never wear this in a million years lmao)
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It's crazy and wildly unfair the types of people who will be out there with no shame over any of their behavior meanwhile I'm stuck being nauseated at myself for every very normal conversation I have with someone
Harvey really seemed to be more worried about Mike in the hospital than feeling guilty about Rachel's wellbeing. It's even funnier that Mike doesn't even blame him when he finds out what happened, then proceeds to completely forget about Rachel while in the restaurant. I wonder if those scenes were 100% scripted or Patrick and Gabriel's acting choices, because the impression I get from that episode (and the whole season) is that we are supposed to feel really sorry for Rachel, but then the main lead characters don't even care that much, besides Mike's first reaction.
harvey does not care about rachel's well-being At All. except for when it's making mike sad. except even then he doesn't give a shit about rachel, because her getting better or whatever is just the most effective means of making mike happy.
but yeah it's very funny that mike doesn't particularly care about rachel being hospitalized, either. he does the whole "i'm going to be here when she wakes up!" kerfuffle, but then harvey invites him out to a steakhouse and he's basically like "no i can't! i have to wait for her! wait did you say you're buying okay whatever let's go." and then as soon as harvey gets it off his chest that he feels guilty and mike needs a distraction, they're back to talking about themselves. and making fun of louis. rachel? sure, sure, she'll be fine, let's talk about literally anything else.
it may well have been patrick's acting choice (and gabriel's, maybe, although i see less of an opportunity for him) to not seem distracted or absentminded while rachel was incapacitated, but the script is pretty straightforward with their dialogue about it. the fact that she comes up a few more times in the episode (e.g., harvey telling mike to tell her to take the day off tomorrow) indicates to me that we're at least supposed to remember that she's in a tough spot, and i guess maybe feel bad for her, but the actual act of her fainting and the hospitalization are so fleeting that i really can't be bothered to keep it in mind.
i think you're onto something there. between her kissing logan and everyone falling all over themselves to convince mike that he needs to forgive her and also she feels really bad so get the hell over it (and did she even really do anything wrong in the first place because remember that time she found out mike and tess had slept together when mike and rachel weren't even a couple which really was just as bad so what right does he have to be mad at her), and her fainting from overwork (although let's be real, that was just a plot device to get mike and harvey back together), the season does certainly twist itself into knots to make her seem sympathetic on paper. except for the part where, as usual, nothing has any consequences; mike takes her back with relatively little fallout, and her fainting and apparently being overworked is never brought up again, so. maybe it wasn't that big of a deal after all.
it sure is hard for us viewers to care about the characters when the characters themselves don't seem to give a shit. 🤷♀️
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