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-It's perfectly appropriate to represent many races in norse mythology and in modern media dealing with it.

-It's not insensitive or offensive in any way to Norse/ Scandinavian/ Germanic culture.

-Oðinn was mixed race, and so is Thor, Frigga, Freyja, Baldr, Freyr, Hoðr, Njorðr, Loki, Skadi... etc.

-Some gods are explicitly described as being "fair" and in the context meant "extremely pale", and if that is a differentiating characteristic of the gods and goddesses, then that implies there are varying levels of melanin within the pantheon

-Many jötnar are described as being black, Hel is half-black, the dökkalfar are literally said to be "as dark as pitch"

Norse mythology is already incredibly diverse, there are 9 worlds. You're the one being insensitive and culturally inappropriate skuve

Also Willfully ignoring me.

- this is entirely made up…like completely? Or an accidental misunderstanding of one’s own interpretation. if your talking about some ásir being mixed with jötun , that’s not mixed race, that’s mixed species. There’s no different races in our mythologies? Also any nordic or scandi would know those names aren’t all spelled right.

- Being complemented for being extremely pale is an old white centrist beauty standard. We come in different shades too? Why purposefully ignore this? We even come In pink and orange apparently lol.

- This is where I totally understand where the misconception is coming from. Dökkálfar/ Myrkvaálfar. Referencing to their nature being something negative or unkind. That is the original Nordic meaning of “myrkva or dökk” — even magic is referred to in this way. “ Svartir sem bik (jarðbik)” meaning“ as dark as pitch” is a reference to their complexion - for they live in the ground where they’re covered in liquid hydrocarbon, an organic compound that forms oil. It’s not referencing them being from a different race at all.

Because describing race by color was coined between the 16th and 17th century. The pros Edda’s were written in the 13th century…

- I am not. Because out of the different mythologies from all around the world that I’m a fan of, I would never feel entitled enough to self insert my identity into something I have no background in. I don’t need to see myself in every other culture that is not mine. No one needs to or should.

- yes, that did happen. But It’s a slippery slope even trying to state how much of the interactions were trade and what were raids and theft on other countries. Let’s not act like taking a wife was done with sunshine and rainbows now.

Someone playing a Nordic character isn't erasing anything there, fragile lil snowflake. That's still representation. Tell me you were mad at Ragnar being played by an Aussie, i'll fuckin laugh at you.

I was born in Sweden. I'm half Nordic, I wasn't trying to spell out each umlaut correctly I do not have time for your dumbass. So mixed species from different realms means they were all white Nordic people? You're fucking stupid. I brought up the "fair" thing being a beauty standard. If they could be fair, that means they could be dark as well, you dumb shit. Not mixed race? Mixed species isn't mixed race? As in the "human race" obviously.

""Svartir sem bik (jarðbik)” meaning“ as dark as pitch” is a reference to their complexion"" yeah exactly you stupid bastard. How is that not describing their skin color? There are black elves. In Nordic culture. From a different species, or "race" of beings. From a different realm. Immigrants if you will. Because there are 9 different worlds and obviously they will look different.

You only want to see Sigyn as white because you are racist. It isn't about you not wanting to see yourself in other cultures. You only want to see Sigyn as white because you're a coward ass nazi that thought norse mythology was all about Odin and Thor committing genocide and raping women. You could've just said nothing and not made a fool of yourself. You haven't brought up a single piece of evidence that shows our culture was strictly white because it never was. You're entitled enough to be a racist piece of shit.

No it's really not a slippery slope. There is abundance archeological and anthropological evidence of vikingr and later rus settling peacefully all along the volga river leading down to the silk road. Some vikingr served sultans and kings as bodyguards. There were raids and violence of course, but many of the more violent raiders were actually niðing and banished from Norse society entirely.

-It's perfectly appropriate to represent many races in norse mythology and in modern media dealing with it.

-It's not insensitive or offensive in any way to Norse/ Scandinavian/ Germanic culture.

-Oðinn was mixed race, and so is Thor, Frigga, Freyja, Baldr, Freyr, Hoðr, Njorðr, Loki, Skadi... etc.

-Some gods are explicitly described as being "fair" and in the context meant "extremely pale", and if that is a differentiating characteristic of the gods and goddesses, then that implies there are varying levels of melanin within the pantheon

-Many jötnar are described as being black, Hel is half-black, the dökkalfar are literally said to be "as dark as pitch"

Norse mythology is already incredibly diverse, there are 9 worlds. You're the one being insensitive and culturally inappropriate skuve

Also Willfully ignoring me.

- this is entirely made up…like completely? Or an accidental misunderstanding of one’s own interpretation. if your talking about some ásir being mixed with jötun , that’s not mixed race, that’s mixed species. There’s no different races in our mythologies? Also any nordic or scandi would know those names aren’t all spelled right.

- Being complemented for being extremely pale is an old white centrist beauty standard. We come in different shades too? Why purposefully ignore this? We even come In pink and orange apparently lol.

- This is where I totally understand where the misconception is coming from. Dökkálfar/ Myrkvaálfar. Referencing to their nature being something negative or unkind. That is the original Nordic meaning of “myrkva or dökk” — even magic is referred to in this way. “ Svartir sem bik (jarðbik)” meaning“ as dark as pitch” is a reference to their complexion - for they live in the ground where they’re covered in liquid hydrocarbon, an organic compound that forms oil. It’s not referencing them being from a different race at all.

Because describing race by color was coined between the 16th and 17th century. The pros Edda’s were written in the 13th century…

- I am not. Because out of the different mythologies from all around the world that I’m a fan of, I would never feel entitled enough to self insert my identity into something I have no background in. I don’t need to see myself in every other culture that is not mine. No one needs to or should.

- yes, that did happen. But It’s a slippery slope even trying to state how much of the interactions were trade and what were raids and theft on other countries. Let’s not act like taking a wife was done with sunshine and rainbows now.

Someone playing a Nordic character isn't erasing anything there, fragile lil snowflake. That's still representation. Tell me you were mad at Ragnar being played by an Aussie, i'll fuckin laugh at you.

I was born in Sweden. I'm half Nordic, I wasn't trying to spell out each umlaut correctly I do not have time for your dumbass. So mixed species from different realms means they were all white Nordic people? You're fucking stupid. I brought up the "fair" thing being a beauty standard. If they could be fair, that means they could be dark as well, you dumb shit. Not mixed race? Mixed species isn't mixed race? As in the "human race" obviously.

""Svartir sem bik (jarðbik)” meaning“ as dark as pitch” is a reference to their complexion"" yeah exactly you stupid bastard. How is that not describing their skin color? There are black elves. In Nordic culture. From a different species, or "race" of beings. From a different realm. Immigrants if you will. Because there are 9 different worlds and obviously they will look different.

You only want to see Sigyn as white because you are racist. It isn't about you not wanting to see yourself in other cultures. You only want to see Sigyn as white because you're a coward ass nazi that thought norse mythology was all about Odin and Thor committing genocide and raping women. You could've just said nothing and not made a fool of yourself. You haven't brought up a single piece of evidence that shows our culture was strictly white because it never was. You're entitled enough to be a racist piece of shit.

No it's really not a slippery slope. There is abundance archeological and anthropological evidence of vikingr and later rus settling peacefully all along the volga river leading down to the silk road. Some vikingr served sultans and kings as bodyguards. There were raids and violence of course, but many of the more violent raiders were actually niðing and banished from Norse society entirely.

-It's perfectly appropriate to represent many races in norse mythology and in modern media dealing with it.

-It's not insensitive or offensive in any way to Norse/ Scandinavian/ Germanic culture.

-Oðinn was mixed race, and so is Thor, Frigga, Freyja, Baldr, Freyr, Hoðr, Njorðr, Loki, Skadi... etc.

-Some gods are explicitly described as being "fair" and in the context meant "extremely pale", and if that is a differentiating characteristic of the gods and goddesses, then that implies there are varying levels of melanin within the pantheon

-Many jötnar are described as being black, Hel is half-black, the dökkalfar are literally said to be "as dark as pitch"

Norse mythology is already incredibly diverse, there are 9 worlds. You're the one being insensitive and culturally inappropriate skuve

Also Willfully ignoring me.

- this is entirely made up…like completely? Or an accidental misunderstanding of one’s own interpretation. if your talking about some ásir being mixed with jötun , that’s not mixed race, that’s mixed species. There’s no different races in our mythologies? Also any nordic or scandi would know those names aren’t all spelled right.

- Being complemented for being extremely pale is an old white centrist beauty standard. We come in different shades too? Why purposefully ignore this? We even come In pink and orange apparently lol.

- This is where I totally understand where the misconception is coming from. Dökkálfar/ Myrkvaálfar. Referencing to their nature being something negative or unkind. That is the original Nordic meaning of “myrkva or dökk” — even magic is referred to in this way. “ Svartir sem bik (jarðbik)” meaning“ as dark as pitch” is a reference to their complexion - for they live in the ground where they’re covered in liquid hydrocarbon, an organic compound that forms oil. It’s not referencing them being from a different race at all.

Because describing race by color was coined between the 16th and 17th century. The pros Edda’s were written in the 13th century…

- I am not. Because out of the different mythologies from all around the world that I’m a fan of, I would never feel entitled enough to self insert my identity into something I have no background in. I don’t need to see myself in every other culture that is not mine. No one needs to or should.

- yes, that did happen. But It’s a slippery slope even trying to state how much of the interactions were trade and what were raids and theft on other countries. Let’s not act like taking a wife was done with sunshine and rainbows now.

Someone playing a Nordic character isn't erasing anything there, fragile lil snowflake. That's still representation. Tell me you were mad at Ragnar being played by an Aussie, i'll fuckin laugh at you.

I was born in Sweden. I'm half Nordic, I wasn't trying to spell out each umlaut correctly I do not have time for your dumbass. So mixed species from different realms means they were all white Nordic people? You're fucking stupid. I brought up the "fair" thing being a beauty standard. If they could be fair, that means they could be dark as well, you dumb shit. Not mixed race? Mixed species isn't mixed race? As in the "human race" obviously.

""Svartir sem bik (jarðbik)” meaning“ as dark as pitch” is a reference to their complexion"" yeah exactly you stupid bastard. How is that not describing their skin color? There are black elves. In Nordic culture. From a different species, or "race" of beings. From a different realm. Immigrants if you will. Because there are 9 different worlds and obviously they will look different.

You only want to see Sigyn as white because you are racist. It isn't about you not wanting to see yourself in other cultures. You only want to see Sigyn as white because you're a coward ass nazi that thought norse mythology was all about Odin and Thor committing genocide and raping women. You could've just said nothing and not made a fool of yourself. You haven't brought up a single piece of evidence that shows our culture was strictly white because it never was. You're entitled enough to be a racist piece of shit.

No it's really not a slippery slope. There is abundance archeological and anthropological evidence of vikingr and later rus settling peacefully all along the volga river leading down to the silk road. Some vikingr served sultans and kings as bodyguards. There were raids and violence of course, but many of the more violent raiders were actually niðing and banished from Norse society entirely.

-It's perfectly appropriate to represent many races in norse mythology and in modern media dealing with it.

-It's not insensitive or offensive in any way to Norse/ Scandinavian/ Germanic culture.

-Oðinn was mixed race, and so is Thor, Frigga, Freyja, Baldr, Freyr, Hoðr, Njorðr, Loki, Skadi... etc.

-Some gods are explicitly described as being "fair" and in the context meant "extremely pale", and if that is a differentiating characteristic of the gods and goddesses, then that implies there are varying levels of melanin within the pantheon

-Many jötnar are described as being black, Hel is half-black, the dökkalfar are literally said to be "as dark as pitch"

Norse mythology is already incredibly diverse, there are 9 worlds. You're the one being insensitive and culturally inappropriate skuve

Also Willfully ignoring me.

- this is entirely made up…like completely? Or an accidental misunderstanding of one’s own interpretation. if your talking about some ásir being mixed with jötun , that’s not mixed race, that’s mixed species. There’s no different races in our mythologies? Also any nordic or scandi would know those names aren’t all spelled right.

- Being complemented for being extremely pale is an old white centrist beauty standard. We come in different shades too? Why purposefully ignore this? We even come In pink and orange apparently lol.

- This is where I totally understand where the misconception is coming from. Dökkálfar/ Myrkvaálfar. Referencing to their nature being something negative or unkind. That is the original Nordic meaning of “myrkva or dökk” — even magic is referred to in this way. “ Svartir sem bik (jarðbik)” meaning“ as dark as pitch” is a reference to their complexion - for they live in the ground where they’re covered in liquid hydrocarbon, an organic compound that forms oil. It’s not referencing them being from a different race at all.

Because describing race by color was coined between the 16th and 17th century. The pros Edda’s were written in the 13th century…

- I am not. Because out of the different mythologies from all around the world that I’m a fan of, I would never feel entitled enough to self insert my identity into something I have no background in. I don’t need to see myself in every other culture that is not mine. No one needs to or should.

- yes, that did happen. But It’s a slippery slope even trying to state how much of the interactions were trade and what were raids and theft on other countries. Let’s not act like taking a wife was done with sunshine and rainbows now.

-It's perfectly appropriate to represent many races in norse mythology and in modern media dealing with it.

-It's not insensitive or offensive in any way to Norse/ Scandinavian/ Germanic culture.

-Oðinn was mixed race, and so is Thor, Frigga, Freyja, Freyr, Hoðr, Njorðr, Loki, Skadi... etc.

-Some gods are explicitly described as being "fair" and in the context meant "extremely pale", and if that is a differentiating characteristic of the gods and goddesses, then that implies there are varying levels of melanin within the pantheon

-Many jötnar are described as being black, Hel is half-black, the dökkalfar are literally said to be "as dark as pitch"

-It's perfectly appropriate to represent many races in norse mythology and in modern media dealing with it.

-It's not insensitive or offensive in any way to Norse/ Scandinavian/ Germanic culture.

-Oðinn was mixed race, and so is Thor, Frigga, Freyja, Freyr, Hoðr, Njorðr, Loki, Skadi... etc.

-Some gods are explicitly described as being "fair" and in the context meant "extremely pale", and if that is a differentiating characteristic of the gods and goddesses, then that implies there are varying levels of melanin within the pantheon

-Many jötnar are described as being black, Hel is half-black, the dökkalfar are literally said to be "as dark as pitch"

The Sigyn from the Marvel comics - not even their own artists are not sure of her hair color... She's always been white, but if they ever decided to reboot her, who knows what she could look like.

For the MCU, the fact is, we never got an official actress for Sigyn as they erased her from the story... Which allows her fans to imagine Sigyn's appearance however they please. AND THIS IS GREAT. Because it creates so many wonderful possibilities. POC Sigyn, white Sigyn, male Sigyn, Thin Sigyn, Chubby Sigyn, Non Binary Sigyn, Old!Sigyn, Young!SIgyn, ... WHATEVER YOU LIKE. How wonderful for us to have such a fandom with a brilliant open mind! :)

Plus, Heimdall the "whitest of all the Aesirs" is played by the AMAZING Idris Elba (and who else could have been better for the part, honestly?). So yeah. We totally could have got a POC actress as Sigyn (*crying over the fact that Angel Coubly could have been amazing as Sigyn)

There's also the Sigyn from Bournonville's ballet. If I follow your idea, no POC ballerina (even if they're the best and a star) cannot dance her part? How very sad indeed ^^' And how restrictive...

As for the Sigyn from Norse mythology... *deep sigh*

You have not been reading much, have you? If you had you would know Vikings were a lot of things, but not racists...

May I remind you they travelled A LOT, and they had interactions and shared trade routes with MANY PEOPLES, among which you find Arabs and Asians.

There is also the theory that the Aesirs actually came from Asia ^^'

And since they had contact with these people, it's very possible that some could imagine the Viking gods looking like the population they interacted with.

Plus, may I remind you that the gods take many forms? They do not restrict themselves to one and only one appearance.

And I don't think they would care much for how we represent them, as long as it's a good and positive representation.

Sigyn does not care if you depict her with blonde hair, red hair, brown hair, white skin or POC, chubby or thin... She cares that she is depicted as loving and kind, yet not weak (or a doormat). She cares that Loki is not depicted as an unloving, abusive husband. She cares that her children are not erased or seen as hated by their father. She cares that her holding the bowl is understood as an act of love and a proof of her strength, and not an act of submission.

But the color of her skin?

Our gods are not some paper figures for you to draw whatever you want on. These are real deities form real culture of real people.

I don’t know what you get from protecting appropriations and promoting it.

Gods do not belong to you. Gods belongs to themselves and to EVERYBODY who honour them in their own way. To think otherwise is blasphemous.

All Sigyn variants are relevant. All of them are worthy. All of them are beautiful.

As I said before: Sigyn does not care about the appearance you give her. What matters more is how you depict her character, her relationship with Loki, and of course, not to erase her kids.

Strangely enough, you don't seem to care about that, very shallowly obsessing about her looks (even Freyja is judging you over this).

A question comes to my mind: Sandman depicts Sigyn as white. So do Harris and Burgess and Riordan.

Do you prefer those versions of Sigyn to a happy and victorious POC!Sigyn? ^^'

Because I KNOW which one Sigyn would prefer ^^'

Sigyn is a good and kind goddess who wants everyone to feel happy and welcome and protected. She would relish in all those pretty arts of her, that celebrate her and her strength and her love for Loki and their family.

And yet, here you are, claiming you speak in your name, and insulting the artists that honor her? All that because they depict her as a POC???

I’m not gonna lie and say I disliked the acting of those chosen to play the Ásir in marvel. but I also can’t look passed how not a single Scandinavian/nordic indigenous actor was chosen for the role to play our own rep. What marvel went with to represent us has been broadcasted to millions of people.

The Sigyn from the Marvel comics - not even their own artists are not sure of her hair color... She's always been white, but if they ever decided to reboot her, who knows what she could look like.

For the MCU, the fact is, we never got an official actress for Sigyn as they erased her from the story... Which allows her fans to imagine Sigyn's appearance however they please. AND THIS IS GREAT. Because it creates so many wonderful possibilities. POC Sigyn, white Sigyn, male Sigyn, Thin Sigyn, Chubby Sigyn, Non Binary Sigyn, Old!Sigyn, Young!SIgyn, ... WHATEVER YOU LIKE. How wonderful for us to have such a fandom with a brilliant open mind! :)

Plus, Heimdall the "whitest of all the Aesirs" is played by the AMAZING Idris Elba (and who else could have been better for the part, honestly?). So yeah. We totally could have got a POC actress as Sigyn (*crying over the fact that Angel Coubly could have been amazing as Sigyn)

There's also the Sigyn from Bournonville's ballet. If I follow your idea, no POC ballerina (even if they're the best and a star) cannot dance her part? How very sad indeed ^^' And how restrictive...

As for the Sigyn from Norse mythology... *deep sigh*

You have not been reading much, have you? If you had you would know Vikings were a lot of things, but not racists...

May I remind you they travelled A LOT, and they had interactions and shared trade routes with MANY PEOPLES, among which you find Arabs and Asians.

There is also the theory that the Aesirs actually came from Asia ^^'

And since they had contact with these people, it's very possible that some could imagine the Viking gods looking like the population they interacted with.

Plus, may I remind you that the gods take many forms? They do not restrict themselves to one and only one appearance.

And I don't think they would care much for how we represent them, as long as it's a good and positive representation.

Sigyn does not care if you depict her with blonde hair, red hair, brown hair, white skin or POC, chubby or thin... She cares that she is depicted as loving and kind, yet not weak (or a doormat). She cares that Loki is not depicted as an unloving, abusive husband. She cares that her children are not erased or seen as hated by their father. She cares that her holding the bowl is understood as an act of love and a proof of her strength, and not an act of submission.

But the color of her skin?

Our gods are not some paper figures for you to draw whatever you want on. These are real deities form real culture of real people.

I don’t know what you get from protecting appropriations and promoting it.