a quick primer to chinese naming/addresses/(some) culture for shang-chi fans
first psa: apparently some ppl need to hear this but for the love of god if chinese characters donโt introduce themselves with a single-character name, DO NOT SHORTEN THEIR NAME TO ONE CHARACTER ALONE. we never do that because chinese is a homophonous language!!
and also our names are made of characters that function as morphemes (words,, kinda) in their own right!! if i speak in chinese and call my sister by one character of her name only i could simply be using that character as a morpheme instead of addressing her. she wouldnโt know i was addressing her.
(some chinese ppl do shorten our names to one character when in the west or when not speaking chinese, yes. for example, my name is ruiqian, but i introduce myself as rui (pronounced โreyโ btw. itโs chinese, not japanese) because rui is less easy for non-chinese speakers to screw up than ruiqian (the โqโ sound is notoriously hard) and so itโs just easier and less painful all around to introduce myself as rui.)
so pls, do not shorten ying liโs name to li or shangqiโs name to shang. thatโs not how it works. donโt do it. i lose ten years of my life every time this is done.
and yes, itโs ying li and ying nan. i know some places have their names as jiang li and jiang nan (??) but the 'yingโ character of their names only has one pronunciation. and also honestly why would you name your kid jiang nan when a whole place called jiangnan exists.
[edit: i initially said that ying li and ying nan are given names but apparently the subtitles my cinema had were wrong lol. the ying character is the same on the wiki, and since ying nan didnโt give any other family name when introducing herself in chinese, i will assume this is their family name]
finally, a primer on how chinese names should be written (since these characters are from the mainland. other countries have different conventions):
iโve written his name as shangqi here instead of shang-chi for two reasons:
shang-chi is the only name in wades-giles romanisation. not even his family name (xu) is in wades-giles, otherwise it would be written as hsu shang-chi (iโm pretty sure. honestly i stay far, far away from the madness of wades-giles because i donโt want to break down crying every time i use it)
iโm quite sure shangqi is the only character marvel took from the comics? since the other names are written in pinyin (aka the SUPERIOR option to wades-giles)
edit: also, as has been mentioned in the notes, my personal opinion on wades-giles is influenced by the fact that british diplomats created it, and my country was colonised by british people lol. taiwan still uses wades-giles! itโs just that the wades-giles system is outdated in the mainland, which is where the shang-chi characters come from. i didnโt mean to imply that wades-giles is outdated everywhere, and i apologise for that
[another edit: this is not the basics of chinese naming/addresses in general. itโs just intended for shang-chi fans, so it only takes into consideration the relationships in the movie. iโm seeing a few ppl tag this as the basics and itโs really not lol i promise you we have far more addresses than this.]
ALSO ALSO ALSO!! iโve seen this a lot in c-media fandom but in chinese culture, we do not address our elders by name alone. yes, that includes our older siblings. unless you want xialing to be incredibly rude to shangqi, in which case, go ahead, she can definitely call him shangqi as a sign of her anger. otherwise, she should be calling him ๅฅ ge / older brother.
some other addresses that might be relevant:
็ธ ba / dad | ็ถไบฒ fuqin / father
ๅฆ ma / mum | ๆฏไบฒ muqin / mother
these three (single-character) addresses (+ ๅฅ ge / older brother) can be doubled to form ็ธ็ธ baba, ๅฆๅฆ mama, ๅฅๅฅ gege, ๅฆนๅฆน meimei for the same meaning, but ็ธ็ธ/ๅฆๅฆๅฅๅฅ baba/mama/gege is generally more childish. except, and this is important, ๅฅๅฅ gege can also be used flirtatiously, or to ๆๅจ sajiao / act cute (itโs a little bit like aegyo). so just be aware of how you use it
่ๅธ laoshi / teacher: but really it can just be a respectful term to call someone older you respect
ๅฐๅงจ xiaoyi / youngest maternal aunt: what yingnan calls herself when introducing herself to shangqi and xialing
ๅฉๅฉ popo / grandmother: also a respectful term for an elderly lady
ๅคๅฉ waipo / maternal grandmother: iirc this is what shangqi calls katyโs grandma?
้ฟๅงจ ayi / aunt: also a respectful term for an older woman, or for an adult family friend. shangqi would call katyโs mum [surname]-ayi, since heโs katyโs best friend
chinese women generally donโt change their names after marriage. our family is incredibly important to us (hence we place our family name before our given name, to signify that our family and ancestors come before the self) and so giving up your family name is generally only done in drastic circumstances (you need to change your name to flee from smth, etc)
however, letโs say that shangqi for some reason never finds out what katyโs mumโs family name is. he would just call her chen-ayi then, since chen is katyโs family name
now, letโs say the ten rings organisation is a martial sect (because it sure looks like one to me!!). here are some more addresses you can use:
ๅธ็ถ shifu / teacher-father: god this is hard to translate, but basically it stems from the phrase ไธๆฅไธบๅธ๏ผ็ป่บซไธบ็ถ / one day of being their teacher makes you their father for life. wenwuโs disciples would call him this
ๅธๆฏ shimu / teacher-mother: same logic. this is what xialingโs disciples would call her
yet another edit jfc: i just realised some ppl might actually translate shifu and shimu as what i wrote above. i translated it that way to get the significance across lol, pls just use โmasterโ
ๅธๅฅ shige | ๅธๅ
shixiong / elder martial brother: this is what wenwuโs disciples would call shangqi
the difference is that shixiong can be used for any male disciple in the same generation who started training earlier than you, while shige can only be used for your shifuโs son, or a male disciple trained by your shifu
the same generation basically means: anyone trained by your shifu or his martial siblings. itโs not relevant for wenwu, but it would be if shangqi decides to return to the ten rings organisation and take on disciples of his own
ๅธๅง shijie / elder martial sister: for disciples who came into wenwuโs sect before xialing started her training (and also before she takes control of the ten rings organisation)
ๅธๅฆน shimei / younger martial sister: for disciples who came into wenwuโs sect after xialing started her training (likewise, also before she takes control of the ten rings organisation)
even though wenwu didnโt train xialing, sheโs still his daughter, hence his disciples would refer to her as shijie/shimei
ๅฎไธป zongzhu / sect/clan leader | ๆ้จ zhangmen / sect leader: this is what disciples would call wenwu when heโs the head, and xialing when she takes over after
ๅธไผฏ shibo / elder martial uncle: this is what xialingโs disciples would call shangqi
god okay i think iโm done. this post is way too fucking long but i sincerely hope this helps
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[edit: ps, if you have any questions, please check the notes before asking. chances are that your questions have already been answered.]
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