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Why I Stopped Watching "House of the Dragon"
First of all: this is not about the actors.
The cast is incredibly talented, and they deserve love, respect, and appreciation for the work they put into these characters. My issue is not with the performances. My issue is with the writing, the adaptation choices, and the direction the show has taken.
As someone who has read "Fire & Blood" and is Team Green, I stopped watching because the show no longer feels like an adaptation of the Dance of the Dragons. It feels like a version of the story that constantly softens Team Black, weakens Team Green, and strips away the complexity that made the original conflict interesting.
And let me tell you, I am Team Green, but I loved the way Rhaenyra was written and how she didn't need to be soft and a "strong female character" to have supporters and to play the game. So this really is not about teams, but about how the characters and the story were written in the show.
In the book, neither side is good. That is the point. The Dance is not a story about saints and villains. It is a tragedy about ambition, inheritance, pride, violence, family, and political failure. Everyone is compromised. Everyone is hypocritical. Everyone loses. But the show keeps pushing the audience toward one side.
Rhaenyra, especially, is framed far too often as a hesitant, noble, passive, almost saintly figure who simply wants peace and justice. But book Rhaenyra is not that. She is proud, ambitious, entitled, politically reckless, capable of cruelty, and deeply hypocritical. That is what makes her interesting.
Rhaenyra does not want a new world. She wants Rhaenyra to be queen.
She lives in a patriarchal society, yet makes no meaningful effort to improve the condition of women generally. She has three sons widely believed to be bastards, yet does nothing to improve the status of bastards as a class. She does not challenge the system for everyone. She expects exceptions for herself and her children while leaving the same oppressive structures intact for everyone else. And that matters politically. In Westeros, succession is everything. Putting disputed heirs in line for the Iron Throne and Driftmark is not a minor scandal; it is a recipe for future rebellion. It gives rival branches of the family and ambitious lords grounds to challenge the succession. It also creates a dangerous precedent in a society built around legitimacy, inheritance, and bloodlines.
And yet the show surrounds Rhaenyra with prophecy, white stag symbolism, and “chosen one” imagery that never existed in the book. The prophecy was not part of the Dance. The white stag did not choose her. The universe was not endorsing her. "Fire & Blood" is far more cynical and far more interesting than that.
Another thing is that the show also keeps taking strengths from Team Green and either removing them or giving emotional weight to Team Black instead.
Book Alicent is not a helpless victim drifting through events. She is politically savvy, intelligent, ambitious, strategic, and deeply involved in the Green cause. She knows how to play the game. She rules effectively alongside the Green Council while Viserys declines and while Rhaenyra is away on Dragonstone.
The show, however, strips her of agency again and again. Her choices are softened, excused, or blamed on misunderstandings. The deathbed “Aegon” confusion was never in the book, and it weakens her political motivation. In "Fire & Blood", the Greens crown Aegon because they believe he has the stronger claim, because they have prepared for it, and because Alicent is protecting her children. It is deliberate. Even Aegon only accepts the crown to protect his siblings.
Even worse, the show makes Alicent look like she does not love her sons. That is one of the most unforgivable changes to me. Book Alicent’s defining motivation is her children. She fights for them. She defends them and their rights as children of the king. She is not perfect, but she is a mother whose political world is built around their safety and their claim.
Turning her into someone who betrays her sons for the sake of reconciliation with Rhaenyra is not tragic to me. It is character assassination.
And how they keep punishing Alicent by taking her agency and with assault situations - the whole feet thing with Larys, her marriage, Aemond kissing her - it only makes it clear to me that it was never about feminism for the show runners, but about Rhaenyra being the "strong female character" that will destroy the "evil side".
Helaena is another example. In the book, Helaena is Team Green. She is queen, Aegon is her husband, and they have children together. Their marriage may not be romantic in the modern sense, but it is not nothing. Aegon is said to share her bed until the death of their son. She is beloved by the smallfolk. She is a dragonrider bonded to Dreamfyre, one of the most important dragons alive.
The show reduces her almost entirely to prophecy and fragility. Her relationship with Dreamfyre is barely explored. Her role as queen is diminished. Her bond with her family is weakened. Her strength is removed.
Aegon II also suffers from this treatment. In the book, he is deeply flawed, but he is not an idiot. He is not meant to be a cartoon villain. He has one of the most extraordinary dragon bonds in the entire Dance with Sunfyre, the most beautiful dragon in the world. So why does the show make him seem incompetent even in basic Targaryen identity? Why is Sunfyre visually diminished, being rarely shown?
Daeron is another issue. In the book, Daeron is one of the Greens’ best assets: courteous, capable, brave, beloved, and an effective military presence. He was effectively the greatest threat to Rhaenyra, militarily speaking. He was fostered in Oldtown, which is normal in Westeros. That does not mean Alicent did not raise him or that he is only good because he was away from her. The show’s handling of him has been strange, delayed, and dismissive. He was in Oldtown for a few years only, not his whole life.
The Greens in the book are also much more united and politically competent. They are loyal to each other. They are strategic. They understand governance. In the show, they are constantly turned against each other, made weaker, more fractured, more foolish, and more cruel. Aemond turns against Aegon and bruns him. Aegon and Helaena barely look at each other. And Aemond is cruel towards Helaena. It never happened in the book.
Meanwhile, Team Black gets softened.
Daemon is one of the clearest examples. In the book, Daemon is dangerous, violent, predatory, and morally horrifying. He is not a romantic ideal. He is not simply a devoted husband who loves Rhaenyra. The show repeatedly leans into his charisma and his romantic appeal while transferring or emphasizing many of his worst traits elsewhere, especially onto Aegon. Daemon groomed his niece. He killed his first wife in the show. He is involved in horrific violence. Yet the fandom often treats him as “morally grey” while Aegon is treated as uniquely monstrous.
Then there is Nettles.
Removing Nettles is one of the worst adaptation choices. She is one of the most unique characters in the Dance. She is lowborn. She is not another polished Targaryen princess. She challenges ideas about blood purity and dragonriding. She is also the only confirmed Black character in the original Dance narrative, and her relationship with Daemon is one of the most ambiguous and interesting parts of his story.
Erasing her and handing parts of her role to Rhaena changes the story completely. It removes a lowborn outsider and replaces her with another Targaryen noble. It also removes one of the few characters who truly disrupts the aristocratic world of the Dance. It also makes Rhaenyra look like a saint, instead of the racist she truly was in the book.
And yes, the show’s racial choices frustrate me too. Making the Velaryons Black could have been interesting if the writing had meaningfully explored it. But instead, they erased Nettles, the one character whose presence actually challenged the Targaryen worldview from outside noble bloodlines. Criston Cole being a brown man could also have been interesting if the show developed him with care. Instead, he is often reduced to sexual scandal, humiliation, and villain framing.
Rhaenys also infuriates me. The show gives her speeches about Alicent serving men, as though Rhaenys herself spent her life fighting patriarchy. But what did she actually do? She toiled for Corlys’ ambitions. She allowed her very young daughter to be offered as a bride to Viserys. She accepted Lucerys as heir to Driftmark despite knowing the obvious questions around his parentage, instead of fighting for Baela and Rhaena. She later accepts political marriages between her granddaughters and Rhaenyra’s sons instead of truly advocating for them. So what was that speech supposed to be?
Again, this is the problem. The show gives certain characters modern-sounding lines about power, gender, and freedom, but their actions do not match.
And Maelor. The erasure of Maelor is something I cannot get over. That is not a small change. It affects Blood and Cheese, Helaena, Aegon, Alicent, and the entire emotional structure of the Green tragedy. Even George R. R. Martin publicly criticized the removal of Maelor and warned about the butterfly effect of simplifying the story.
At some point, it stops feeling like adaptation and starts feeling like distortion. That is why I stopped watching.
Not because I think Team Green are saints. They are not. Otto is manipulative. Aegon is deeply flawed. Aemond is dangerous. Criston is bitter and violent. Alicent is ambitious. I know exactly what side I support, and I do not need to pretend they are morally pure.
But that is precisely the difference. Many Team Green fans can admit our side is full of terrible people. What becomes exhausting is watching Team Black characters get romanticized, softened, excused, or turned into symbols of righteousness while the Greens are stripped of their intelligence, loyalty, complexity, and love for each other.
The Dance is supposed to be a tragedy where everyone is flawed. It is not supposed to be “Rhaenyra the chosen queen of feminism versus the evil misogynistic Greens.” Book Rhaenyra is not a saint. Book Alicent is not a helpless victim. Book Helaena is not just a fragile dreamer. Book Aegon is not an imbecile. Book Daemon is not husband goals. Book Nettles matters. Book Daeron matters. Maelor matters. The Green family matters.
Now, I repeat - The actors deserve every bit of praise. They are doing their jobs beautifully, even if the script is deeply flawed.
But the writing has lost me. This is not the Dance I wanted to watch.
There are a lot more stuff that I could point out and criticise, but theses are the ones on top of my head. In the end, I wanted to watch Fire & Blood. Instead, I got someone's fanfiction loosely inspired by it.
But hey, at least we got the whole prophecy thing linking to Jone Snow, right?
Anyway, if any Team Black stans want to yell at me, I'll be over here rereading "Fire & Blood", where nobody is the chosen one, everyone is awful, and somehow that's exactly what makes the story so brilliant.
To add to all of that: the show on itself is very poorly written and shot, it's nowhere near the game of thrones. They suck at lore, everything looks cheap, the dialogs are written by the 10 year old, the show runners are egocentric maniacs who refuse to listen.
It's not an adaptation of the book, it's a cheap team black fanfiction that latches on the main franchise and GRRM's audience.
And I think they are laundering the money with it, because there's no way they are spending that much on shitty cgi, 10 actors, the same 5 dresses, three rooms and plastic 3d printed armors.
also helaena choosing to keep her pregnancy from everyone bc she wants to keep maelor safe💔 she loves him
House Of The Dragon Season 3x05: "Unbowed and Unbent"

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Loved this devastating Alicent and Helaena scene. Alicent, so desperate not to lose her, starts grabbing Helaena and yelling at her, the exact treatment she tried to prevent back in 2x08 with Aemond (and notably exactly how she treats Aegon in 1x06). She struggles so much with her kids but tries to be good to Helaena, yet can't help but fall back into that old habit.
(I also love that she calls moon tea a blessing. The underlying resentment of her forced motherhood?)
And for Helaena's part, she finally gets to make a choice for herself for once. She raises her voice for I think the first time ever. Their relationship is rapidly fracturing and I think it's so key that it's because Helaena is prioritizing her own agency. She's disobeying a parent the way Alicent would've never done with Otto when she was a girl.
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My helaegon heart seemed to be resurrected this episode. Yes, season 2 was bad but I love that we're getting a little bit of everyone, even the scenes with Baela and Addam. I also loved Alicent this episode.
For one, Helaena mentioned Jaehaerys again. So the writers remembered him huh. Also her insisting she won't abort her pregnancy with such emotion! Alicent did say "Aegon's heir" so I don't think anyone else is the father. Will Aegon ever find out? What I wonder about is how they will handle Maelor, will he be there or he will somehow die in childbirth or some other way? Also Helaena, stay away from those windows! That gave me so much anxiety.
A subtle sun/moon reference? Did we just get the crumbs I was looking for?
“A dragon so beautiful they named him after the sun itself.” “I need to see the moon.”
helaegon with their sunmoon symbolisms tethered!!!
something abt phia talking about helaena's pregnancy “i think she doesn't tell alicent because she feels so powerless in her own life. it's something that just belongs to her. and it is extremely sacred to her. and also because her son in season two was a casualty of this war, and she is not willing to sacrifice another child” and aegon saying “abed! instead of safeguarding the sanctity of my family!”
KILL MEEEE
The Alicent I know and love is back. We have Alicent proving once again that, at her core, her driving motivation has always been her children and that she would do everything to help them. She has accepted that she may not be able to save everyone in her family, but no one can accuse her of not trying. No one can say she didn't exhaust every possibility or use every ounce of influence she still possessed to protect them. She once again got herself into machination gear and had them cogwheels turning in this episode when:
a) she got Orwyle to secretly deliver moon tea under the guise of a remedy for period cramps,
b) urged Helaena to take it because she didn't fall for Rhaenyra's "you know I would have spared him, right?" delulu narrative as she very well shouldn't because she knows all too well the brutal logic of power and that Rhaenyra and her council would be forced to eliminate all rival claimants to the throne regardless of their age to secure her position,
c) initially outwitted Mysaria by drinking the moon tea herself, sacrificing her own health, reputation, and safety to save her daughter, despite how violently ill it had made her before,
d) traded away the seven-pointed star necklace which she had been wearing since forever and which was synonymous with her faith and her own longing for her mother, to ensure safe passage for herself and Helaena,
e) once again did the impossible arithmetic of motherhood and decided that saving Helaena and her unborn baby's lives at the expense of Jaehaera was better than losing Helaena, the baby, and Jaehaera altogether in "a true MOTHER counts the cost to her CHILDREN" tragic calculus fashion she's been forced to make all her life,
f) wasted zero time in manipulating Mysaria once caught and used her wiles and any remnants of influence she could grapple with to appeal to Mysaria's opportunism and self-interest and entice her to exchange silence with the opportunity to play both sides,
g) as soon as she got another chance, she made a run for it with Helaena.
All she's been doing all the time is her best with the options that she has. She has NOT given up, she is not merely a prisoner who laments her fate, but she believes herself still actively responsible for her children's fate and survival, and so she continues to act and sacrifice pieces of herself as a real mother would.

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because Ormund Hightower getting in his teenage nephew’s face and coke ranting about the glory of the Hightower Reconquista that he has made up in his head that they are divinely ordained to accomplish to because of their special blood and no one understands but them IS exactly how Daemon was moving with fifteen year-old Rhaenyra in the first season of this show. kind of insane
Oh, the Dearon x Alicent parallels ATE in this episode. What if they were both taken away and grew up in castles that were never really homes. What if the adults around them called it an honor which was a prettier word for captivity. They both have red hair and soft hands and gentleness mistaken for weakness. They both believe that kindness is strength, mercy is strength, justice is strength. They both pray and believe the gods reward sacrifice. They both believe that if they are good enough, dutiful enough, obedient enough, the people they look up to will finally look at them with something that resembles love. They are instead rewarded with more duty, more sacrifice, more expectations. Alicent exists to preserve Otto's vision of the realm. Daeron exists to restore Ormund's vision of the past. Neither is asked who they want to become. Neither is allowed to want anything at all, because clay does not choose the shape of the potter's hands. And they let themselves be molded because children believe the people raising them know better, because children mistake control for care. Because if your father tells you that your purpose is larger than yourself, isn't refusing him the same as refusing your family, refusing your gods, refusing your duty? What if Alicent's greatest flaw was that she loved Otto too much. What if Daeron's greatest flaw was that he loved Ormund too much. What if neither of them ever realized they were being loved only insofar as they were useful. Two red-haired children who wanted fathers. They wanted someone to say "you are enough exactly as you are." Instead, they were told "you will be enough once you become what I need you to be". And somewhere along the way, the kind little girl disappeared, somewhere along the way, the kind little boy disappeared. They traded themselves for approval that never came. What if the tragedy of Alicent was that the son she wanted to save from herself became like herself. What if the tragedy of Daeron was that he inherited his mother's face and fate to become a pawn in House Hightower's hands.
We were all looking for Daeron. Now he's here. But at what cost -
I have a feeling that they're going to the rhaena and aemond route this season? While I still feel bad for Nettles and Morning getting deleted, I wonder where they will take rhaena's story now. As of episode 4, she's flown somewhere unknown, aemond is nowhere to be found too (unless alys did something). I really feel for rhaena in the scene with daemon though, but I feel like rhaenyra also feels that daemon is lying.
If rhaemond doesn't happen, we can always have fic (I haven't touched my rhaemond fic in months, I know, but this is such an underrated pairing!)
Will they ever give us a helaegon crumb this season? I'm scared that they will give Helaena a Rhaenyra parallel again and lose Maelor in childbirth. I'm really not sure how I feel with how they're treating her this season.

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many otto and alicent parallels with ormund and daeron this episode. so incredibly tragic that the son who is most like their mother is the one who she hoped would be raised away from the toxicity of the red keep and instead winds up a pawn on the board for ormund to move about, pawn ormund seeks to make king in the same way otto sought to make alicent queen. the poison always drips through. no matter if you try to stop it. it always, always drips through
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