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let's get basic opinions out of the way:
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forcefem is morally neutral
kink is not activism
pedophiles have no place in lgbtq+ community or any community with minors in it
children cannot consent
pedophiles are not oppressed

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i have a few comments of my own regarding this, though i will largely leave this and let you all be a judge.
what i will say is: look at isff continuing to put the abuser's feelings first while not having the slightest consideration for the mental state or feelings of the victims in question.
what i will say is: look at the phrasing at the beginning. minimizing the actions by refering to abuse as simply "something bad". painting it as just some inconsequential thing.
and yes, sexually assaulting someone is a crime. putting out cigarettes on someone's arm is an act of abuse.
"as long as you lie and call sophie a liar" here she is, outright implying that sophie's victims are lying.
part of me wonders if the "you want her to be removed from her job?" is a memorized formula for her. though i would like to remind you all, this situation began with isff reblogging sophie's fundraiser for a birthday vacation trip and someone informing isff that sophie has sexually assaulted other trans women.
on the matter of personal opinion regarding all of this, i need to say: it boils my blood to see the blatant rapist and abuser apologia disguised as "protecting trans women". especially in the example when isff is throwing five other trans women under the bus to defend their abuser. it boils my blood to see isff spit in the faces of multiple fellow trans women. to see her handwave away the abuse of her sisters. to see her refering to victims and people advocating for them as "danger to the community". the comparison of her just easily calling them that, when she's fighting tooth and nail against their abuser being refered as such due to actions they committed against them.
i dont know where else to say this so forgive me but i need to go on a tangent. the way isff and her supporters (and similar offenders like PT) are watering down "HAL" to literally just replace "cancelled" and crying about cancel culture while using such loaded language is making me genuinely sick to my stomach. HAL is an article about the intense physical, emotional, sexual abuse trans women go through on a systemic level when they are disposed of for RESISTING ABUSE. it goes into detail about the way community leaders rely on social amnesia to allow cycles of abuse to continue, how they do not hold sexual predators accountable and how trans women are harmed as a result. how FALSE accusations of rape and predatory behavior can ruin someones life, and how FALSE accusations are unfairly weaponized against trans women. ISFF is not having her fucking bathroom use monitored, she is not being denied medical care or housing, nobody is "stalking her" by looking at posts she puts on her public blog, nobody even knows her name!!! everyone just calls her ISFF because we dont know anything about her!!! she is only """trapped""" here because she is CHOOSING to stay on tumblr after getting banned repeatedly and running a blog dedicated to defending pedophiles and rapists on a weekly fucking basis, and then gaslights people into thinking shes the perfect victim who is incapable of being wrong!!!
SHE IS the dangerous community leader who relies on social amnesia to allow cycles of abuse to continue!!! because protecting lolishota porn & serial rapists is more important to her than other transfem victims of abuse!!! these are not false accusations!!! you can't just call anyone who disagrees with you or hates you a kiwifarmer!!! these are the consequences of her fucking actions!!!
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isff supporters and crippled-peeper have certainly one thing in common. and that is if you call out their bullshit, they claim you're "literally killing them". but obviously, they see no issue with harassing others themselves.
Ive seen people call ISFF a saint and the best trans activist out there and just a poor widdle girl who was unfairly hated :( and its so... insulting. Especially to victims of sexual abuse (including trans women! Because her friend's fucking vacation is on the same level of importance as mutual aid) and people of colour (her and her follower's constant use of the word 'lynching' to describe her getting banned for advocating for pedophiles and comparing her to EMMETT TILL and that post implying native americans are privileged because... they can join the army?) (also cant forget the gaza fundraiser with a fetish poll attached like genuinely time and place)
shes not some transfeminist saint shes some white french woman with a bafflingly large following who condones sexual abuse and acts like she invented the whole gimmick of 'i have a suggestion'
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ISFF's recent post defending sophie because someone brought up the fact that she sexually abused other trans women (which is important to note because of her facade of loving all trans women and being a beacon of support for trans women when she only really cares about a select few) (also that bullshit 'love the pedos in your life' post) deeply upsets me.
Someone I know and deeply care about is a victim of rape. It deeply affects them, how they interact with others and their relationship with their sexuality. I'm obscuring as many details as possible but its heartbreaking to see this prevailing attitude of rape apologia fetishism on this site hurt them.
But sure, The rapists are the true victims here. Because nobody likes them. Because they raped someone. Which is only bad if you have a puritanical view on sex. (/reference to a post on here) (also major /sarcastic)
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Huh?? What did Raf do to Peeper
morg is just pulling the usual isff type "so, you wanna kill me? you wanna beat me to death? you wanna institutionalize me?" when criticised or being refered to in even the most vaguely negative manner.
The blatant victim blaming and dehumanizing of sexual assault victims was something that was very obviously gonna happen. Months ago these same people started rolling out the argument that was just "you shouldn't wish dead on rapists/abusers/pedophiles etc cause that makes you as bad as them" as a response to victims making vents posts that wete just "kill all rapists". They are nos just being upfront about their hatred towards victims who don't bend to their demands. The only good victims isff, and her fellow abuse defenders, will defend and back up are the victims who are now sexualizing the abuse and convincing everyone doing so its not harmful at all. Taxxon even pulled out a shit % about how around "21%" of victims end up making the abuse into something positive once. This is not surprising or new, these people know what they are doing by pretending they care about other trans women, but the only ones they care about are the ones that will just go along with what that specific circle say, otherwise you are a traitor to trans women everywhere
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can we talk about how she genuinely went from "if you want to say im pro pedophilia you dont need me to say it, just go on kiwifarms" (going back to her gaslighting, implying that she never said that & that all of the pedo accusations were made up by kiwifarmers) to literally Three Days Later saying "give some kindness to the pedos in your life, they need it! take their side! stop being uncomfortable with pedos and take their side!" missstrogen/820986940329525248/can-you-just-admit-that-you-dont-think-rape-and?source=share
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genuinely like. is she okay? does she sincerely believe that people hating her and accusing her of being a pedo apologist is ... entirely unrelated to her openly supporting pedophiles & defending a serial rapist? does she genuinely think that there is no correlation between her actions and the way people react to her???
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the casual degendering of "if you dare question me youre not my sister youre a monster" is genuinely unbelievable
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"raf said he wants me BEATEN and KILLED" that would be horrible if raf actually said that, morg. but last i checked, you are in fact lying because he Didn't Fucking Say That You Dumbass
this.
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is it transmisogynistic to call a trans woman who has sexually assaulted five other trans women a rapist?
while choosing not to not engage in any discussions in the comments of my last post about isff due to feeling currently physically unwell, i am observing what is being said. i am just too tired to reply and discuss.
what i meant to say, is i saw one commenter pushing an odd notion. one, that simply informing people of a person being a rapist is "hurting the abuser" and/or "vying for the person's blood". which is a ridiculous take.
ofcourse isff is back on her "but think of the poor rapist" bullshit.
This is literally just Christian ethics with animal ears...
When everyone sides with “forgiving” and “accepting” abusers over victims, this just results in the victims getting de facto ostracized as they attempt to move on with their lives and not interact with their abuser any more yet they then find that there are no spaces that will not welcome their abuser with open arms. Plus the abuser, when not identified as such, when given no reason to change their behavior, has no reason not to reoffend.
“None of my sisters are disposable!” Except for victims of abuse, according to this logic.
I also find it interesting on a rhetorical level that if someone puts up boundaries that exclude rapists, that makes them a “monster,” but a rapist categorically doesn’t get called a monster but a “sister” that must be protected. What the hell kind of standards are those?
I’ve seen this type of social dynamic happen before, both among trans people and among cis people. It’s horrible.
This is an aspect of rape culture.
If we take her argument to its logical conclusion, it removes all standards of conduct. It tells victims "Your safety is less important than this your abuser's comfort and social standing." That is being an enabler.
Should we have standards, especially when the legal system often fails?
Absolutely, yes. In fact, because the legal system so rarely delivers justice for sexual abuse, community-based accountability is often the only tool vulnerable people have. To reject that tool outright is to leave victims entirely defenseless.
She conflates all consequences with "exile", losing a job or having your social circle shrink are not automatically "cages." They are consequences. The severity of the consequence should ideally match the severity of the harm. She's treating a request for accountability as though it is the same as a prison sentence, which erases the nuance between a minor interpersonal conflict and a pattern of predatory abuse.
If she actually wanted restorative justice, she would be demanding that the accused take accountability, apologize, get professional help, make amends, and demonstrate changed behavior over time. Instead, Misstrogen simply demands that the community stop talking about it and accept the person back immediately. That is silencing the victims to make the community feel less "messy."
If someone has caused harm and refuses to acknowledge it, refuses to change, the community has a moral obligation to create distance.
The legal system's failure makes community standards more important, not less. Misstrogen’s rhetoric is dangerous because it strips the community of the ability to enforce those standards. She calls the accusers "monsters," but the real monster in her framework is any form of boundary-setting. Without boundaries, a community is just a hunting ground for those who refuse to change.

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ofcourse isff is back on her "but think of the poor rapist" bullshit.
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leo-fie asked: Hi, just saw that you reblogged a fundraiser from Sophie McAllister, alias Sophie from Mars. She has been accused of sexual abuse by multiple trans women. I have blogged about that before, I can send you the links if you want.
missstrogen answered: I'm going to be as kind as i can here, but I'll only say this once. This behavior is unacceptable. I don't support getting rid of tgirls. No one is disposable and that includes Sophie. Change your behavior, and understand that the movement you make yourself part of can only harm trans women, because that is the point.
missstrogen reblogged: The only thing that keeping public records of allegations, words and actions, the only thing that this callout model does is social exile. The only thing you get by calling out the bad girls is getting rid of them. Does she deserve that? Does she deserve to be treated as "a danger to the community"? Do you even have the right to commit such a judgement?
Cut that shit, right now.
Missstrogen reblogged: I've been getting multiple asks from "concerned members of the community" telling me that they don't want "unrepentant abusers" in their community, that me saying this is not giving priority to victims.
You are a monster, if you think like that, plainly. A monster, and not my sister. You are a monster if you are so eager to get rid of a woman, to thrust social exile upon her because one action was enough to put her in a category of evil forever, to your eyes.
No one is disposable. You do not get to decide that she should be removed from social life, functionally jailed away from society, over a past action.
Don't pretend that's not what you want either. Ive seen your demands, you will want her to quit her job, to move to a place faraway, to leave all her friends behind and leave alone. You don't want justice or accountability. You want a cage to put her in.
You want so badly to pretend she's dangerous, that she can't be trusted, that she needs to be removed for the good of "community". You are the danger.
Even beyond my care for her, as a sister, i would not trust you, because i know you would turn on me in seconds. You are the danger.
missstrogen reblogged: and to the girl in my inbox, yes, you're the danger. You're the danger when you give more importance to your crusade against The Dangerous girls than the physical safety of not being functionally jailed. You are the danger, no matter what you say. When you want a girl to lose her job because you think she doesn't deserve a public presence, You are no different than the kiwifarmers. Period.
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ofcourse isff is back on her "but think of the poor rapist" bullshit.
I am a transfem and I was sexually assaulted by another transfem. I feel like it’s nearly impossible for me to discuss this even in general terms without either transphobes or people like ISFF jumping on me. And I keep seeing posts along these lines on Tumblr. This shit is so upsetting.
Why does my safety not matter? If you want to protect women from assault, or you want to defend your trans sisters, why does that always seem to exclude me? And if you can’t support transfems like me who have been sexually assaulted, can you please at least shut up instead of reminding me of my trauma and portraying girls like me as somehow the dangerous ones in such a messed up way?!
I don’t even want to ruin anyone’s life, but I do think other women who may be at risk should be aware of what they did, and that known sexual abusers should not have a large public platform representing our community. And at the very least when we come forward to talk about these issues you should take us seriously and care about us too. Not just defending the rapists who happen to also be trans. Never using our pain for your political agendas.
I don't know what's worse, the Eldridge Cleaver mentality being displayed or the implication that she believes trans women who are sexually assaulted deserve to be met with social exclusion if they're in the same community as their abuser. There's also the unabashed use of DARVO tactics against the survivors, claiming they're the real source of danger, whereas their abuser is the victim. I hope the survivors of this abuser can find justice, peace, safety, and community, because it sure won't be coming from people like this who refuse to take their abuse seriously.