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let's get basic opinions out of the way:
forcefem is a kink
forcefem is morally neutral
kink is not activism
pedophiles have no place in lgbtq+ community or any community with minors in it
children cannot consent
pedophiles are not oppressed

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ofcourse isff is back on her "but think of the poor rapist" bullshit.
This is literally just Christian ethics with animal ears...
When everyone sides with “forgiving” and “accepting” abusers over victims, this just results in the victims getting de facto ostracized as they attempt to move on with their lives and not interact with their abuser any more yet they then find that there are no spaces that will not welcome their abuser with open arms. Plus the abuser, when not identified as such, when given no reason to change their behavior, has no reason not to reoffend.
“None of my sisters are disposable!” Except for victims of abuse, according to this logic.
I also find it interesting on a rhetorical level that if someone puts up boundaries that exclude rapists, that makes them a “monster,” but a rapist categorically doesn’t get called a monster but a “sister” that must be protected. What the hell kind of standards are those?
I’ve seen this type of social dynamic happen before, both among trans people and among cis people. It’s horrible.
This is an aspect of rape culture.
If we take her argument to its logical conclusion, it removes all standards of conduct. It tells victims "Your safety is less important than this your abuser's comfort and social standing." That is being an enabler.
Should we have standards, especially when the legal system often fails?
Absolutely, yes. In fact, because the legal system so rarely delivers justice for sexual abuse, community-based accountability is often the only tool vulnerable people have. To reject that tool outright is to leave victims entirely defenseless.
She conflates all consequences with "exile", losing a job or having your social circle shrink are not automatically "cages." They are consequences. The severity of the consequence should ideally match the severity of the harm. She's treating a request for accountability as though it is the same as a prison sentence, which erases the nuance between a minor interpersonal conflict and a pattern of predatory abuse.
If she actually wanted restorative justice, she would be demanding that the accused take accountability, apologize, get professional help, make amends, and demonstrate changed behavior over time. Instead, Misstrogen simply demands that the community stop talking about it and accept the person back immediately. That is silencing the victims to make the community feel less "messy."
If someone has caused harm and refuses to acknowledge it, refuses to change, the community has a moral obligation to create distance.
The legal system's failure makes community standards more important, not less. Misstrogen’s rhetoric is dangerous because it strips the community of the ability to enforce those standards. She calls the accusers "monsters," but the real monster in her framework is any form of boundary-setting. Without boundaries, a community is just a hunting ground for those who refuse to change.
ofcourse isff is back on her "but think of the poor rapist" bullshit.
[ID:
leo-fie asked: Hi, just saw that you reblogged a fundraiser from Sophie McAllister, alias Sophie from Mars. She has been accused of sexual abuse by multiple trans women. I have blogged about that before, I can send you the links if you want.
missstrogen answered: I'm going to be as kind as i can here, but I'll only say this once. This behavior is unacceptable. I don't support getting rid of tgirls. No one is disposable and that includes Sophie. Change your behavior, and understand that the movement you make yourself part of can only harm trans women, because that is the point.
missstrogen reblogged: The only thing that keeping public records of allegations, words and actions, the only thing that this callout model does is social exile. The only thing you get by calling out the bad girls is getting rid of them. Does she deserve that? Does she deserve to be treated as "a danger to the community"? Do you even have the right to commit such a judgement?
Cut that shit, right now.
Missstrogen reblogged: I've been getting multiple asks from "concerned members of the community" telling me that they don't want "unrepentant abusers" in their community, that me saying this is not giving priority to victims.
You are a monster, if you think like that, plainly. A monster, and not my sister. You are a monster if you are so eager to get rid of a woman, to thrust social exile upon her because one action was enough to put her in a category of evil forever, to your eyes.
No one is disposable. You do not get to decide that she should be removed from social life, functionally jailed away from society, over a past action.
Don't pretend that's not what you want either. Ive seen your demands, you will want her to quit her job, to move to a place faraway, to leave all her friends behind and leave alone. You don't want justice or accountability. You want a cage to put her in.
You want so badly to pretend she's dangerous, that she can't be trusted, that she needs to be removed for the good of "community". You are the danger.
Even beyond my care for her, as a sister, i would not trust you, because i know you would turn on me in seconds. You are the danger.
missstrogen reblogged: and to the girl in my inbox, yes, you're the danger. You're the danger when you give more importance to your crusade against The Dangerous girls than the physical safety of not being functionally jailed. You are the danger, no matter what you say. When you want a girl to lose her job because you think she doesn't deserve a public presence, You are no different than the kiwifarmers. Period.
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ofcourse isff is back on her "but think of the poor rapist" bullshit.
I am a transfem and I was sexually assaulted by another transfem. I feel like it’s nearly impossible for me to discuss this even in general terms without either transphobes or people like ISFF jumping on me. And I keep seeing posts along these lines on Tumblr. This shit is so upsetting.
Why does my safety not matter? If you want to protect women from assault, or you want to defend your trans sisters, why does that always seem to exclude me? And if you can’t support transfems like me who have been sexually assaulted, can you please at least shut up instead of reminding me of my trauma and portraying girls like me as somehow the dangerous ones in such a messed up way?!
I don’t even want to ruin anyone’s life, but I do think other women who may be at risk should be aware of what they did, and that known sexual abusers should not have a large public platform representing our community. And at the very least when we come forward to talk about these issues you should take us seriously and care about us too. Not just defending the rapists who happen to also be trans. Never using our pain for your political agendas.
I don't know what's worse, the Eldridge Cleaver mentality being displayed or the implication that she believes trans women who are sexually assaulted deserve to be met with social exclusion if they're in the same community as their abuser. There's also the unabashed use of DARVO tactics against the survivors, claiming they're the real source of danger, whereas their abuser is the victim. I hope the survivors of this abuser can find justice, peace, safety, and community, because it sure won't be coming from people like this who refuse to take their abuse seriously.
ofcourse isff is back on her "but think of the poor rapist" bullshit.
just to make it clear, the fundraiser in question was about a birthday vacation trip to new zealand. it is not the matter of "just because this transfem is a bad person, you want her to die".
there is not any substantial harm that is going to be caused by people not donating to this girl's birthday fundraiser.

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notice, how morg always uses she/her pronouns for the trans men he dislikes.
can this man be more of a transphobic hypocrite?
ofcourse isff is back on her "but think of the poor rapist" bullshit.
I don’t mean to imply anything here, but I feel like Exist needs to do some serious self-reflection on why he automatically assumed someone writing an SA scene wrote it to be sexually arousing or is getting off on it. I feel like there is starting to be a pattern of behaviour of him believing something was made for the purpose of being sexualised after purposely misinterpreting it for engagement or not realising the intent behind it.
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The triad is posting again, and Exist posted how he was going to add a fic that Arby and another person wrote that included an SA scene based on their own personal experiences to the doc because he thinks she is fetishizing SA and rape. It is even more worrying that he decided to skip everything leading up to that chapter and is taking the scene out of context to align with what he is saying. I know we lost a plot a long time ago, but this just makes me feel so…uncomfortable seeing Exist basically tone police a fellow victim and this facing no repercussions for it. I don’t know what else to say, this is more ghoulish behavior being disguised as activism.
https://www.tumblr.com/lemuel-apologist/820811272321990656/exist-is-getting-on-your-ass-and-stalking-your
https://www.tumblr.com/lemuel-apologist/820812981323579392/i-was-trying-to-keep-this-quiet-and-tell-people
https://www.tumblr.com/lemuel-apologist/820816480765640704/exist-cannot-be-a-real-person-because-how-are-you
remember the triad (the quartet?) in beginning proclaiming themselves to be victim advocates? some advocates they are. this is absolutely disgusting.
https://www.tumblr.com/sentient-noodle/820613725637787648/i-think-peeper-went-full-mask-off-and-called-trans
I believe you, but where?
he has implied that many times. especially through pretending that all the nasty rape threats anons he got were sent by trans women.

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so, he really is just bigoted against any trans/gnc people who do not fit the binary definition of gender.
"she/they pronouns"
"he/they pronouns"
we all know what slur you are aching to use.
also, where did the people screenshoted say anything remotely like you're accusing them of?
me when i am in "making shit up to get angry at" competition and my opponent is morg.
one of the people does not even use any of those pronouns. morg misgendering another neopronouns user? how shocking/s.
so, he really is just bigoted against any trans/gnc people who do not fit the binary definition of gender.
"she/they pronouns"
"he/they pronouns"
we all know what slur you are aching to use.
also, where did the people screenshoted say anything remotely like you're accusing them of?
me when i am in "making shit up to get angry at" competition and my opponent is morg.
so, he really is just bigoted against any trans/gnc people who do not fit the binary definition of gender.
"she/they pronouns"
"he/they pronouns"
we all know what slur you are aching to use.
i think peeper went full mask off and called trans women rapists. not shocked
he has been doing that for a while
i am still not over the fact of a white person donating money to a black guy's mutual aid for the purpose of letting him have running water, to then turn around and use that to accuse him of doxxing. that is such a disgustingly racist behavior.

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crippled-peeper is a fucking bully and his hanger-ons are enabling him, egging him on and engaging in the bullying and harassment. We need to disavow this behaviour and we need to do better to protect the trans women and transfems who protect us. What happened and is happening to transfemme-shelterdog was a disgrace and what is happening to zhenya-grey is a further disgrace. These are people who have helped us and this is how we repay them? Standing back and twiddling our thumbs, tacitly agreeing with bullies?
Block crippled-peeper and report any posts you see of him (or his merry band of assholes) bullying people.
i shouldn't...i can't fucking laugh.
when have you ever gave grace and sympathy to anyone you argued with? never, unless wishing people to die/kill themselves is your definition of that.
and what is funny about this tag is that people did show YOU actual grace and sympathy. and how did you react? you threw a tantrum over it and wished for them to kill themselves even more.