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okay, so let's break down whatever this monstrosity is.
"I was only ever a tourist in her world" could not be a more inaccurate statement. if you've read any comic involving talia and bruce's relationship from the 70s-90s, you'd know they were obsessed with each other. while they had their flaws, it was a genuine, mutual relationship
"...and an unwilling one at that." aaand this is the magnum opus of this panel. we all know the retcon and how the fandom (and apparently authors) treats it. putting that phrase in any context with talia & bruce is like asking for people to take it and run with the "oh, it's canon again, let's all hate her now" or something along those lines. now, having that on its own just brought up would've been bad enough, but putting it directly above an illustration of the two of them clearly being intimate is like pulling the pin to a hand grenade.
"all steeped in her unorthodox cultural traditions" holy anti/arabphobia. the concept of this line even being thought of, let alone being written, making it past editorial, and being published. but then again, it's DC, so i'm not surprised.
"convinced his presence in my life would destroy me, she threw him [damian] in my lap." honestly, this may be one of the worst things ever written. the entire reason she sent him was to keep him safe and so damian could meet his father. could she have had other motives? yeah, maybe, but it wasn't to destroy bruce's life, nowhere near that extreme.
"... and ran away laughing." while i'm sure this is hyperbole, and she didn't literally walk away laughing, by saying that, implies she took pleasure in just dropping damian off with bruce and found it amusing. which, again, could not be any further away from the truth as this was one of the most difficult decsions she ever made + one of her biggest regrets. and due to the wording it implies she could basically care less about damian and just dropped him off without a second look, again could not be an even falser statement
"it became my job to both dismantle that time bomb, and to make it stronger." ah yes because the feral child will learn how to control himself, all thanks to his white father, after living with his arab maternal side for the first ten years of his life, yes, yes, exactly. and the whole "make it stronger" bit is so odd because you want to dismantle, which the definition of dismantling is: "to take apart a machine or structure so that it is in separate pieces." OR "to end an organization or system by gradually in an organized way." (oxford dictionary)
so you want to take what he learned from the league apart and just essentially reteach him? pick and choose what "pieces" from his time in the league he gets to keep and use while being robin? you do you ii guess.
now the big thing is, well, he would not fucking say that. bruce genuinely loved talia to the point he had her scent memorized. he respected her AND ra's. no way would he be caught dead talking about her or damian for that matter like this.
moral of the story, this whole thing is orientalist, and rascist. also i take back what i said about how talia fans have been eating lately. we are in fact on the edge of being sent back to purgatory & it was fun while it lasted.
In twenty years we will look back on the post-Epsteingate era of comics the way readers today look at the post-9/11 era.
When talking about Epsteingate, a few facts are always on my mind.
One in five girls and one in six boys are victims of sexual abuse before the age of eighteen.
Across all ages, almost half of all women are victims of sexual assault.
For both of the above, the majority of perpetrators were people that the victims knew and trusted.
As for trafficking, Epstein trafficked some 1200 girls. The national human trafficking hotline claims to have identified 21,865 victims in 2024 alone, while their all-time statistic is in the hundreds of thousands. (Frustratingly, they separate the number of cases of sex trafficking from cases of labor trafficking, but list the victims only in aggregate. I thus cannot be sure how many of these victims were trafficked for sex, at least not by HTHL statistics alone).
From these facts, I think I can make the case that Epsteingate was not exceptional in its character. Sexual abuse and exploitation is not the sole purview of a select few. It is endemic to our culture, an inevitable fixture of an economy wherein the body is a commodity and there are classes of people who are culturally and socially denied the power to defend themselves.
But that's not the cultural reckoning we're seeing right now, is it?
This media spotlight could have been a launchpad to critique this element of our political economy. Instead, the new generation of opportunists, in accidental collaboration with their bourgeoisie, have rallied around the phrase "the Epstein class". Peddlers of the phrase will tell miracle stories of how this scandal is finally opening their rightist friends and family's eyes to the class the left rails against. But the phrase is only so readily accepted because it is bereft of meaning. The "Epstein class" is not united by its relationship to production. It is a category of person who commits a crime, namely child sexual exploitation. And everyone who hears the phrase maps onto it the sort of person they associate with that crime. Thus, the leftist opportunist says "the Epstein class" and means "the bourgeoisie," while the reactionary says "the Epstein class" and means "the fifth column of Jews and degenerates." (As always, the right's enemy is also not defined by its relationship to production). Which meaning will win out? Well, with every powerful person in the country scrambling to find a scapegoat for the scandal, I'm sure you can guess.
Thus, unto the fandom side of things. Following the cultural trend, DC's reaction to the Epstein shock repeatedly portrays the problem as exceptional and as arising from outside the culture. The other day, Supergirl premiered, and showed the titular superheroine defending Earth from sadistic aliens called the Brigands, who sustain themselves solely by defiling the women and girls of other cultures. Meanwhile, the ongoing Absolute line of comics depict a setting ruled by a shadowy cabal of wealthy elites. Joker in this setting tortures and mutilates babies to maintain his appearance in a beat-for-beat retelling of the adrenochrome harvesting conspiracy. That conspiracy itself is a modern repackaging of blood libel. Liberal cape fans are singing the praises of both of these works, calling them a shot across the bow from pop culture against the Epstein class. Which Epstein class? No doubt capital will make it out of this one unscathed.
I would love to see DC grapple with the sort of cultural reckoning I touched on earlier. I wish I could see stories really dig into how the commodification of women and children's bodies permeates the entire culture. Not because of evil foreigners or hidden elites, but because of the culture itself, because of the pressure toward dehumanization in everyone who desires a commodity. I wish I could see comics get into just how damn prevalent and unexceptional it all is — more people are sexually abused as kids than have blonde hair, for crying out loud. But it'll never happen. Would Eddie Berganza write that comic? What about Scott Lobdell? Geoff Johns? Warren Ellis, Jason Latour, Scott Allie? Would Charles Brownstein fight for the right to write it? Would the corporation that defended and promoted these men knowing damn well what they did, even having it on camera, publish it without watering it down until there was no message left? Would the millions of readers who are themselves guilty of this exact behavior look in the damned mirror and see themselves for what they are without pitching a fit and threatening the author?
No. Easier to make it a big spectacle and blame it on someone else.
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The emotional whiplash I got when Metamorpho basically goes, "hey supes you can save my baby, right," mere seconds after sobbing over Lex murdering Malik could snap my fucking neck.
This is the way the film treats their most prominent immigrant human character. As a mere afterthought. A prop to verbally hype up what a swell guy Supes is.
I get so mad about how the character of Malik is treated within the narrative. Like there was a brief scene where him and his community are shaking their heads in disbelief after the reveal of Kryptons being colonisers who wanted Supes to have harems with humans.
And there's so much drama and social commentary that could be mined from this. What does Supes represent to immigrants like Malik and his community? What does this revelation mean to them personally? Does Clark empathise with them, sees himself in them and their experiences? There could have been a scene of the daily planet or other in-universe news outlets interviewing Malik and his community. But nope!
Malik's death is not even given any narrative weight. There's no funeral scene with Superman in attendance or collective mourning from his community. It's acknowledged with a brief shot of a newspaper headline.
Ultimately, Superman 2025 is a movie where the filmmakers want to claim has a pro-immigrant message, but they still seem afraid to draw any parallels to real-world immigrants/refugees and the problems they face onscreen.
Also I can't help but notice how meanspirited this movie is about its female characters. It's not a James Gunn movie without his casual misogyny.
Gunn only knows how to write three types of women. You are either: a) snarky badass loner types (Lois, Hawkgirl, Engineer) or b) dumb/airheaded (Ma Kent, Eve, female robot)
Lois doesn't get to display much of her journalism skills, and her research skills as a journalist occurs off-screen. She hardly gets to interact with other women on-screen, and her one scene with Cat Grant revolves around Cat asking Lois about her romantic life, so it failed the Bechdel test.
Martha (Ma) Kent doesn't get to dispel folksy small-town wisdom like her husband does. Her most prominent scene involves her not knowing how to talk on a smartphone with Clark in very "haha, boomer doesn't know how to use modern tech" fashion.
Eve doesn't even get to whistle-blow against Lex Luthor becos she's got her own moral backbone, but becos Lex treated her badly. And her love interest Jimmy Olsen is constantly demeaning her intelligence and her looks even tho he looks like the human equivalent of a number 2 pencil. It's gave me gotg 2 war flashbacks over how Mantis is mocked for how "ugly" she supposedly is.
Even the female robot is introduced as becoming very giggly and shy over Clark looking at her while her male counterpart is cool, logical and snarky. Even the robots have gender roles.
Also, this version of Clark and his motivations? So criminally boring.
Why does he want to do good? Why does he want to become a superhero? And it basically boils down to, oh becos his biological parents apparently told him in a recording that they sent him to earth to serve humanity and help the world be a better place. Like, hang on, Clark, are you helping people becos mummy and daddy told you to 🥺?
Again, it all comes back to the filmmakers being fucking afraid to draw parallels between Clark and real-world marginalised communities like immigrants. It's interesting to note that you don't see this version of the character interacting with regular humans who aren't Daily Planet co-workers as Clark Kent, the civilian. Much in the same vein as MCU Peter Parker, this Clark Kent is not a man of the people. You can't hardly blame the citizens of Metropolis for turning on Superman becos there's little connection between this Supes and the people.
Is no one going to talk about how people gave Supes so much shit in the beginning about the legality of him physically threatening the Boravia president and for not considering potential geo-political repercussions, only for Hawkgirl, a metahuman from a superhero team funded by an American businessman to murder him at the end?? Becos seriously? Where the fuck was internal consistency?
So, I have a question. Yellow Peril villains are part of comic book history since their earliest days, no bones about it. But I've seen various attempts over the years to try to "update" said Yellow Peril villains for use in modern stories. I have mixed feelings on this. Do you think it's possible to update these characters so they can fit into modern stories without exploiting xenophobia or should writers let these characters have a long retirement?
Yeah I'm of mixed minds about this too. Most attempts to update the Yellow Peril trope either remove their signifiers for Eastern cultures so it's purely yellow aliens but still retain the racist message without explicit signifiers, or they have straight forward Yellow Peril characters without the yellow color (Al Ghuls in Abso Supes and Jor + Lara El in Supes2025). Neither of these are really tackling the problem itself.
I think the only true rebuttal is revising Yellow Peril characters to the point of near unrecognizability from their current versions. I can see the perspective of readers thinking characters like the Al Ghuls are too far gone in the mainline comics, which is why when the Abso line just repeated the Yellow Peril tropes in their brand new universe it was all the more disappointing that DC couldn't innovate.
I'm often asked "well what would you do with the Al Ghuls in the Abso universe" and I generally answer "make the Al Ghul's redeemable. Make them the misunderstood good guys with a radical but good cause. Have a conversation about their orientalism so we are engaging with their comic meta. Challenge the inherit Arab and Islamophobia that exists in American cape comics. If you're brave enough, make Superman ally with them as immigrants."
In the hands of current DC creatives, they probably need to retire a lot of their Yellow Peril villains. In the hands of more radical, diverse, fresh talent? They're capable of coming up with creative remixes.
A lot Superboy fans are so confused with my version of Tana Moon and are mad that I'm tackling this character at all. Because to them, this exotic predatory character of color should either be vilified or discarded. Cape fans pigeon hole characters of color like this, to the point "giving humanity" to these characters isn't an option. But I think these readers need to read outside of Discrimination comics to see the potential of Native Hawaiian representation beyond racist writers. And that's the case for Yellow Peril characters too.
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It's so funny how the kon el fandom harassed me and called the racebending I did in my kon el origin fan comic "arbitrary" despite me both showing and explaining how I changed multiple characters from their source material with the intention to deconstruct the colonial and misogynistic aspects of SB94. To politically reimagine what it would look like to have a Superman legacy character grapple with how his power is racialized in America. But it didn't matter how many times I explained myself.
This same fandom then turned around and put all their faith into MAWS. MAWS released promo art depicting a brown leather jacket-wearing Superboy that will show up in the upcoming season of their show. There was so much hype for this, to the point the kon el fandom pretended it was basically the only real adaptation of Kon there is (ignoring YJ and Reign of Supermen as animated takes because it didn't meet their standard). And Kon was going to be brown too! Wow, surely the show that treats racebending as an aesthetic apolitical change to the characters could do justice to Kon, who gentrified Hawai'i in his original comic. Surely the show that's squeamish about politics could handle that.
So then MAWS did what it always does. Its interpretation on the character barely resembles their source material. Basically all they share in common is a name or title. It's as though the show didn't engage, challenge, transform or adapt anything from the source material the character came from at all. Apparently y'all just got Trunks from Dragon Ball named Jonathan Kent. He's voiced by Darren Criss, a wasian Chinese Filipino actor- continuing MAWS' tradition of monolith casting its Asian characters (considering he's likely a clois baby and Lois is Korean in this series).
Basically it looks like all this Superboy has in common with Kon is that he styles his hair in a fade, wears a leather jacket and sunglasses sometimes. Anyone who sees this character design would assume it's Kon and that's the point. MAWS is a show that wants to hit as many comic references as possible for no other reason than to jingle keys at you. Now that's an arbitrary artistic decision driven by nothing.
I think it's funny because that's how racism in fandom works isn't it? You harass individual POC artists on here who make passion projects for free and then put your faith into a company that never cared about what you saw in the character. So you get nothing.
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ive got a bad case of the khoas right now... its terminal....
babs' text on one of the screens did in fact say something before i fucked around w colours and noise to the point and flipped to so u cant even see it. so here.
To celebrate Duke's birthday yesterday, here are some of my Duke reading recs grouped together by arbitrary categories!! Take these with a huge grain of salt I'm completely working off memory
Powers
The Cursed Wheel finale, found in All-Star Batman #9 (Duke's light powers awaken)
Dark Days: The Forge / Dark Days: The Casting (explanation of Elaine's meta gene and also Nth metal... idk I don't understand it)
Batman & The Signal (introduction of Gnomon)
Batman & The Outsiders (2019) (Duke's shadow powers awaken, which dampen his light powers)
Dark Nights: Death Metal Robin King (Duke unlocks his light powers again)
Batman Secret Files: The Signal (Duke unlocks more powers)
Thomas Family
Batman: Zero Year / Batman: Endgame
We Are Robin (you already know this is essential reading)
Batman (2011) #48 and #50
All-Star Batman #1-9 including Cursed Wheel back-ups (PEAK Doug & Elaine reading. read main stories alongside back-ups for the best experience)
Batman & The Signal
Batman: Secret Files: The Signal (Duke's mom disappears)
Batman: Urban Legends #8-9 and #18-19 (aftermath of Duke's mom's disappearance + rescuing her)
Romance
We Are Robin (Dizzy + polyWAR for your reading pleasure)
Batman (2016) #1-6 (in which Tom King replaces Duke's girlfriend of colour with a White love interest)
Batman & The Signal (Duke is back to dating Izzy! so. literally what was the point)
Batman Secret Files: The Signal
One-Shots Where Duke Barely or Doesn't Appear But Is Really Important To My Conception of Him
Batman (2011) #44 (a lovely issue about Bruce and Gotham. REALLY important imo to understanding Snyder's Duke-Bruce-Gotham triangle, even though he isn't even mentioned here)
Detective Comics #982 (only a Duke cameo but again SO important to that Duke-Bruce-Gotham triad)
Batman (2016) Annual #1 (the tiny Bruce-Duke moment is worth the entire thing)
The Robin-to-Signal Transition
Batman (2011) #50 (Bruce extends an offer)
Batman: Rebirth (Duke takes up the offer)
All-Star Batman #1-9 (Duke and Bruce get acclimated to each other)
Batman (2016) #1-6 (Duke and Bruce get acclimated to each other but it's written worse)
Batman & The Signal (Duke officially becomes the Signal)
Batman & The Outsiders (not actually related but you can - and I do - read Cass' Batgirl vs. Orphan struggles as analogous to Duke)
DC Rise of the Power Company (the only time Duke actually on page explores why he left Robin)
The Jason-Duke Supercut Or: The Indeterminability of Whether Duke Likes Jason
The Cursed Wheel Part 1 (Bruce says 'villain' and Duke asks 'Jason'?)
New Talent Showcase (2017) (Duke and Jason train together)
Batman (2016) #33 (Duke teases Jason, calls him "Jay")
Detective Comics #1000 (Duke teases Jason again)
Batman Secret Files: The Signal (Bruce tells Duke he failed Jason; presumably Duke has heard lots of negative things about Jason from Bruce)
DC Rise of the Power Company (Duke insults Jason while talking to Jace)
Duke One-Shots That Deserve More Love
Gotham Nights #8
Dark Nights Death Metal: Robin King
The Unexpected #4 (purely for the Duke-Helena interaction)
Batman: The Brave and the Bold #10
Duke One-Shots That Deserve More Hate
Batman (2016) #16
Detective Comics #1000
Batman Secret Files: The Signal
The Snyder Cut
Batman: Zero Year / Batman: Endgame
Batman & Robin Eternal
Batman: Superheavy
Batman: Rebirth
All-Star Batman
SCOTT SNYDER PLEASE WRITE DUKE AGAIN PLEAAAAASEEEE
My Personal Defining Issues and Runs For Duke's Batfam Relationships (For Jason See Above)
Bruce: Batman: Zero Year / Endgame / Superheavy, Batman: Rebirth, All-Star Batman, Batman & The Signal, Batman & The Outsiders, Batman Secret Files: The Signal (also see one-shots that influence my Duke conception above because they're all Bruce-Duke too)
Cass: Detective Comics #983-987, Batman & The Outsiders
Dick: Batman & Robin Eternal #4, Robin War, Night of the Monster Men
Damian: Robin War (I WISH THERE WAS MORE)
Jace: DC Rise of the Power Company, DC Power Company Recharged
Stephanie: Dark Nights Death Metal: Robin King, DC Power 2024, Batman: Urban Legends #3
Tim: Robin War, Dark Nights Death Metal: Robin King, Batman: Urban Legends #8-9
Kate: Detective Comics #952
(Any Batfam members not mentioned here don't have significant interactions with him; however, for Helena check out The Unexpected #4 and for Harper check out DC Power 2024)
OKAY that's about it!! Obviously these are my opinions, for a more extensive reading list check out @duketectivecomics list here. HAPPY DUKE READING!!! LET'S MAKE THIS YEAR DUKE THOMAS' YEAR!!!!
Hiiiii!! I keep meaning to ask you this and then promptly forgetting 🤣. You are my DC mutual™️ so I wondered if you'd seen the teaser trailer for the new supergirl movie coming out next year (i think) and if you have, what your first thoughts are? (if you have any you'd wanna share!!!) 🫶
I only watched the trailer to answer this ask ñalksdfj. Haterism ahead, sns :P
My main takeaway is that it's a pity Milly Alcock is going to play Kara in a film I am not interested in watching. She's the only part that could tempt me because it's clear she'll be a great Kara!! But I'm not at all interested in the Gunnverse, and even less in the Gunn-collaborating-with-war-criminal-nepo-baby Tom King 'verse. Which I'm guessing will be an even bigger element in Supergirl, as the story is based on one of his comics.
And the thing is, I did enjoy Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow on first read. It hits some notes with her character I liked a lot, I can't deny that, but it now seems to be all some people want with Kara.
It's also one of those stories that when you learn a thing or two about the author's life, you start seeing very differently. And in many ways it was carried by Bilquis Evely's gorgeous art and... that trailer looked ugly as sin sns. Just... compare.
In many ways the trailer also telegraphed the film is going to be worse than the comic, mainly by adding that type of juvenile humour and edginess Gunn loves.
On top of that now it features fucking Lobo, who is one of the most annoying characters they could've added and a sex pest. And casting Jason Momoa for the part? I won't say it's the most racist shit Gunn has pulled, but it's certainly in the running!
So uh. Yeah. I'm a hater lmao. Good for everyone who enjoyed Superman as a fun romp and are looking forward to something similar with Kara, I'm sure it'll deliver on that front as long as you don't look too closely (same as Superman imo). But it's definitely not for me.
heaven itself is on Jason’s side in the Jason vs Bruce conflict
they’re canceling me for the way I deal with grief
i support jason peter todd's patricidal tendencies
assigned trans at goon
does Jason know about 9/11
hes jerking it to foucault discipline and punish
Jason Todd did not wear black leather and the cunty dye job out of the Lazarus pit just for Batman to say that someone else is gonna be the first gay Robin
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Hi there! I just read battle for the cowl (i hadn't managed to finish it last time because I was so angry but this time i did manage! Yay! Someone save me.) I'm very sorry to bother you, but you are the Cass Cain reference and I find myself in need of your insight if that's alright with you.
Anyway my actual question is, what would be Cass' greatest struggle wrt Bruce's death/taking the cowl after Bruce's death? Like how do you think the grief would manifest, what would be the biggest conflict?
Hi!!! First off congrats for finishing Battle for the Cowl, everyone who gets through it deserves a medal. Secondly it makes me happy to hear I'm your Cass reference because there are so many amazing and knowledgable Cass blogs on here <333.
Anyway your question is SO interesting because. AGH. Cass deserved to be in BftC so bad!!! Okay in a world where Cass became Batman, I'm going to pretend she doesn't set up Batman, Inc. I'm also assuming in this world Steph still takes up Batgirl/Cass still gives it to her.
There are many considerations for how Cass would react, and this is a jumble of thoughts (other Cass fans might have better answers than me tbh). But here are some factors:
Besides her lame non-reaction in Reborn era, we do have some hints on how Cass would react to Bruce's death in Batgirl (2000) #15. When Cass gets hit by a beam that makes the brain come up with a scenario to kill, Cass imagines the Joker killing Bruce and her killing the Joker. This 'killing' reaction is due to the beam, but it's significant that Bruce dying was her justification. Her brain had to come up with a reason to break her most sacred vow, and Bruce's death was what it found. His death broke a fundamental part of her. Ofc this was very early on in their relationship, but I think Bruce's death would take a toll on her sense of internal 'goodness' (which was always shaky to begin with)
Bruce adopts Cass in 2008, basically right before he dies. His adoption words to her: "You'll always have a real family... as long as I'm around". Just. AHHHH. Although Bruce didn't intend this, this is phrased as a conditional: Cass' 'real family' depends on Bruce's presence. For Bruce to die immediately after this would severely impact Cass' sense of belonging to the family.
We know from Bruce Wayne: The Road Home: Batgirl that Bruce had ordered Cass to give the Batgirl mantle to Steph (in the case of his disappearance/death). We don't know how he said this - it may have been an order before his death, or a 'last message'-type deal like with Dick/Jason. Regardless, this would impact Cass' belief that she deserves the Bat mantle. We know from what actually happens that Cass gives up the symbol after Bruce's death. In a scenario where she takes the cowl, I think this seed of doubt would wriggle at her. What did Bruce mean when he told her to give up Batgirl? Was it because he wanted her to become Batman, or because he wanted to strip her of the symbol entirely?
If Cass takes up the cowl I'm assuming Dick doesn't? Or he's a simultaneous Batman? Either way, Cass + Dick would be very interesting in this era, not least because they're coming off the backs of their fight in Batgirl (2008) + reconciliation in Batman & The Outsiders (2007). That reconciliation addresses Bruce's absence: Dick says, "I suppose we need to work together to fill the void he left." So Dick-Cass would be this tense and grieving relationship that's filled with a strange solidarity. On the other hand, I think Babs would not want Cass to be the Bat, so this might drive a wedge between them (and I think Cass, in her grieving state, would likely evade or lash out if Babs shows any concern). So Cass' relationships to Dick and Babs would change.
Cass' relationship to Tim would also be changed by Tim's Brucequest, and honestly it would probably fracture because both of them are not in the best state of mind. Cass' relationship to Steph would also be tense, in my opinion Cass would shut her out for a variety of reasons (not least because of the aforementioned 'give Batgirl to Steph' order). So Cass' relationship to Steph and Tim would most likely worsen.
A final consideration is that, when Stephanie died, Cass left Gotham for Bludhaven. Steph's death changed her entire relationship to Gotham, leading her to say (in her internal monologue) that Blud was the first place to ever be hers. Both Steph and Bruce are Gothamites through and through, so I think Bruce's death would also change Cass' relationship to Gotham City.
Okay I am so sorry for that essay because you were only asking for the biggest conflict 😭. I think all of the above build up into her biggest conflict being whether or not she belongs here/whether or not she's doing the right thing. Don't get me wrong, she knows she can make a great Bat and she knows Gotham needs a Batman. But with Bruce dead, with her grounding relationships to Steph and Babs under heavy strain, with Tim steadfastly believing Bruce is not dead, with her relationship to Gotham in shambles, with the adoption in the air, and with Dick (who's been Batman before) hanging around and probably clashing with her sometimes, her self-belief would probably be more fragile than it's ever been. I'm thinking end of BG 2000 levels of 'do I even deserve to the Bat symbol'.
I'm also thinking of Gates of Gotham, where Cass and Dick talk in the car and Cass says it's a choice to stay in Gotham, whether or not the city wants you. I think, if Cass was Batman, this would have to be a choice she makes everyday - with everything she's ever known in jeopardy or flat-out gone, she'd have to choose to go out there, choose to assert herself as the Bat. And despite it all I think she would do it. She never loses, after all.
(I didn't mention Damian but for a non-serious answer if he was her Robin he would be the biggest pain in her neck and she would punt him off several roofs).
okay I wanna do meta about the ig controversial cass & bruce panel because i did not find it either OOC or surprising for babs to think this
so fundamentally I think this is another stitch in a long pattern of babs oversexualizing cass. babs frequently pushes being a romantic and sexual object on cass
including when it’s obvious cass does not want that. she’s uncomfortable and doesn’t want to be sexualized. but babs pushes for it regardless. and babs does at one point acknowledge that she’s going too far with it, that this isn’t what cass wants
but them she still falls into the same habits after, showing that while she’s less directly aggressive after this, she hasn’t really changed her mindset much. BUT pin in that —
cass is being pushed by a mentor figure, one who is helping her define what being a woman means, to explore her sexuality. cass views babs as someone so focused on pushing (let’s be clear; STRAIGHT relationships) that when she’s hallucinating everyone after being drugged, her idea of babs basically can’t talk or be talked about without bringing up romance with men.
and imo it’s ambiguous whether cass does have an interest in exploring her sexuality, post-tai’darshan, or whether she’s just exploring expectations of her but she does wear babs’ old costume which is way more catered to the male gaze than cass’ batgirl outfit. whether it’s explicitly for the purpose of finding out her own feelings on it or not, she is experimenting with being sexy on purpose and of her own free will. to her, babs is her only example of female sexuality, so she tries to recreate babs’ experience
i think cass’ key takeaways from this interaction were: wearing this costume, babs ensnared the attention of her Robin and delighted in it
so cass puts on the same costume and ensnares the attentions of her Robin with it
but has no interest in it in reality. she does not engage with it. she immediately gives the costume back because she did not find any fulfillment or delight in the experience it gave her
and then babs immediately sexualizes her again. PIN BACK OUT.
this is not pressuring cass to do anything, nor is it really pushing anything on her, its engaging with cass sexuality on cass' level when she expresses interest. however, its clear cass did not like the experience. she shows no interest in discussing it. babs lamenting not being able to see it is a marked improvement from forcing things on cass, but i do think it shows that she hasnt changed how she thinks about cass. just the actions she takes in regards to how she thinks about cass
so, now we turn to cass and bruce at this time.
cass' entire existence is one of abuse. we get constant parallels between batman and david cain, even bruce acknowledges he may be continuing cass' abuse and chooses to bench her to try and force healing and peace in her life (prompted by babs, so babs is definitely not out of the phase entirely of trying to make cass' decisions for her but i digress)
cass wants to be batgirl. she is loyal to what batman stands for. the misunderstanding between bruce and cass is what is causing cass' continued suffering; bruce thinks it is batman forcing her to be apart of violence by being a vigilante. it is, in fact, batman not engaging with cass with tenderness.
cass craves touch from her new father figure that is not violence. she has no issue with violence, but she wants more than just that. she clarifies that it hurt when batman benched her, it did not help heal her. she curls up on batman and says this is what she was missing. holding and affectionate touches. this is a HUGE turning point in their relationship because up until now there's been tons of instances of bruce trying to help cass and just failing, but this is a success.
so yes, during this entire fight she had with bruce she was actively craving affectionate touch. she was not trying to hurt him, she was going for being held and touched with tenderness.
she relaxes into it immediately, even though they're in the middle of maybe drowning in the middle of a fight. she takes the first opportunity for tenderness she is presented. its what she's been wanting the whole time. its the thing that will confirm to her the abuse is over
so back to the panel
yes, babs can undoubtedly tell that cass does not want to be fighting batman. look at this pose -- she's going for a hold, she looks like she is seeking out affection. her expression (and she pulled off her own mask during this fight) is not angry or violent, it is longing.
and of course babs views that in a romantic context. she views cass as a being of repressed heterosexuality. all men are ways for cass to become "a real person" by interacting with them romantically. so when babs sees cass go to a man all on her own, actively wanting and craving affection, i think its extremely in character for babs to assume that cass has romantic feelings towards him despite cass wanting something completely different
My interpretation of this panel was that Cass was trying to kiss Bruce, and imop Barbara's question of kill or kiss was not a romantic or sexual one, nor was it framed that way- instead she's showing the conflict between Cass' language of violence, her hurt and anger towards Bruce and her need for love and affection, how she seeks that out in Bruce as a father figure. And imop Barbara can see that conflict in her and wonders what side of Cass will triumph- realises that it will be her love. It can also be seen as a question of nature(love) or nurture(violence), both of which are equally present in all of Cass' actions and decisions (though sometimes she acts more in one than the other).
(Cover of #46 which touches on the two sides of Cass (and shows her babs+bats hallucinations) and the first 3 pages of #50: Batgirl vs. Batman (these pages are the main reason behind my interpretation of the 'Kill or Kiss' panel which comes from the same issue)
"It's like her real soul is split in two." -#46 on how Cass acts under the effects of a drug called soul- which is supposed to either send you into a rage or have you feeling ecstasy, depending on how 'good or bad' you are- rage eventually wins for Cass, but you can see that it's love which eventually wins in #50.
Anyways I do like your interpretation, and find it quite interesting, I just disagree.