Rose Verdi

“It’s easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

Supposedly, this quote comes from Mark Twain, and sadly, it fits quite well for this fandom.

Even with all the sub-par and heavily questionable writing that came from Isayama in the last few years, many of us still held hope that everything will make sense in the end. We have been fooled my friends. We foolishly kept our trust in Isayama, and paid the price.

We foolishly believed that there’s gonna be some plot twist which would explain everything. But there was none. Isayama kept writing himself into a corner, not explaining anything, and thus, not respecting his readers who clearly saw blatant contradictions and retcons.

I am thankful that SnK entered my life 5 years ago, it really did have an impact on my life, and changed it for the better. But I do wish that I dropped it at some point, when it was apparent that the story no longer had cohesion, and that the railroad on which it was traveling, wasn’t complete at all. The outcome of such a scenario wasn’t hard to predict, but I was blinded like many others.

When did it go wrong?

The story is progressing quickly towards the confrontation with Eren, while at the same time the story keeps being in a ‘limbo state’, as there’s no progress about the most important plot points for the main characters.

There are massive elephants in the room, and they’re not being addressed by any character, while some of the dialogues that we did get lately have felt rushed, and even out of place at time.

The first and largest elephant in the room is Eren’s behaviour. Other characters agree that he is doing things that Eren that they know wouldn’t do, but they still haven’t properly addressed and talked about his motives yet, even after finally finding out what his plan is. They started to talk about it in chapter 124, but the conversation was cut off by the mindless titans attacking them, and 9 chapters later, it hasn’t been brought back again. That conversation was left with Jean saying that Eren must be doing all of this to protect them, but it’s clear that Eren’s actions eventually caused the death of Sasha and Hanji, as well as that Armin and Mikasa almost got blew up by a bomb, and Armin got shot in the head by his Yeagerists, so how exactly is he protecting them, should definitely be questioned. Hanji and Levi never cared to start a discussion about Eren either, even though they all agreed that they should convince him to stop with what he’s doing. And yet, how could they convince him to stop, when they don’t understand his motives, and they aren’t even interested in discussing about it. Reiner was the one who finally analysed Eren’s thoughts a bit in chapter 133, but it was mostly him projecting himself onto Eren.

The second elephant in the room is Armin’s behaviour, as he’s also doing things that don’t seem to correlate with his character pre-timeskip. And I’m referring to his crush on Annie. The idea that Armin’s crush on Annie was caused by Bertolt’s influence/memories was heavily put forward in chapter 112, but it never moved on from there, 21 chapters later. No one mentioned to Annie that Bertolt got a crush on her, and no one is questioning Armin’s sudden interest in Annie. We know that Mikasa noticed it, and she believes that Eren was right when he was talking about her acker-blood. But if she believes that what Eren told her in chapter 112 holds at least some truth, than it would make sense that she would also believe that there’s some truth when Eren was talking about Armin’s crush on Annie being influenced by Bertolt, and yet she hasn’t talked about it with Armin afterwards. We don’t know what she thinks about it, since it’s not being addressed, even though logically a conversation like that should happen, since both Armin and Mikasa thought that Eren could somehow be influenced/controlled, and understanding if Bertolt’s memories are affecting Armin, would make them one step closer in understanding what happened to Eren.

The third elephant in the room is Mikasa’s acker-blood. Just like with the previous elephant, this elephant was heavily put forward in chapter 112, but it never really moved on from there, 21 chapters later. Mikasa instinctively stopped Armin from hurting Eren, and more importantly she does lean on believing that what Eren said about her blood was true. And yet, she never spoke about it with Levi who is also an Ackerman, and whose experience could help her better understand their Ackerman blood and their instincts to protect their “host”, and people that they love. And by understanding her acker-blood better, she could understand better whether Eren was telling the truth, and it would make her one step closer to understand Eren.

The fourth elephant in the room is Historia’s pregnancy. It was introduced in chapter 107, and 26 chapters later, we still don’t have a definitive answer about her whole situation. She’s been completely sidelined from the story for the past few arcs, and the hope that she’ll play an important role in the final arc has been slowly declining.

“I have a selfish desire that you will belong to me.”

**Artist: Vi Nguyen

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Bullshit.

That's what I think. Which pov was used to "play" with the shippers before? There's mystery, unanswered questions yes, but no sane writer arrange the memories of any character for the sole purpose of misleading ppl.

They weren't randomly arranged either.

See, we all know Eren's motivation is not to create a world where ALL OF HIS FRIENDS live a happy, long life. It was a wish of his, but in reality, the only way his friends can live happily, is by sacrificing Historia.

Even when they knew Historia was definitely gonna be sacrificed, they managed to live happily and enjoy whatever they were doing.

Armin himself claimed Eren is going along with the 50 years plan just to make himself feel better. That Eren shares his goal.

"He is definitely on our side!! There's no way he isn't!" - Said Armin.

"Eren.. came back to us..!" - Said Mikasa.

Yup.

They will be 100000% happier if Eren sacrificed Historia. And most importantly Sasha wouldn't have died. All happy, all alive.

Although Eren said it in the latest chapter, you can see he was lying to himself or/and Zeke. How did I know? Of all possible panels Isayama could've placed there, Sasha's death scene and the shard of all major characters sitting happily before the RTS arc - were chosen.

In Eren's mind, his friends would never be happy after what he did, this is why the panel included pre timeskip MAJCLE...etc. When happiness was possible, before he fully embraced who he is and decided to bring ruin to the world. He is not the selfless person who follows others desires anymore (exactly why there's an unacceptable gap between him and MA now, he can't be what used to make them happy in the past. He can't do something he doesn't want to (killing Historia) for them).

On the other hand, Sasha's death proved to him that most of them might die too, yet he moved forward anyways. Without stopping.

His feelings for them were genuine, his wish was valid but not his actions.

Now, if Isayama went all his way to show us this bit by bit, from 1 to 10, what is the possibility of the EH flashback being randomly thrown there?

As for the Farmer, huh, the moment she suggested making a child herself, all chances of Farmer being the dad were reduced to ZERO.

Realistically speaking, if running away was a possible option that Eren offered, no girl would chose a forced/out of love pregnancy instead.

A pregnancy is no less risky as she could die, goes in an early labor, and zeke could end up in random's soldier tummy till she gives birth.

A pregnancy is not more sufficient than the wine or what Eren offered.

The percentage of it success is even less than the other three, on top of that it would leave a permanent scare on Historia.

They would go to farmer ofc, because they need a confer up.

It’s been a while… lol. 

I’m not sure if anyone is interested in reading my post anymore since tumblr is kinda dead now, but I don’t wanna post on any other social platform. Well then, this post might not different from other analyses you’ve already seen (I’m busy with another fandom lol), I just wanna write down my thought about EH. 😆 

First, I’m so thankful because EH conversation is drawn outside the farm. This is just like a revised combination of their conversations from c66 (EH in cave) and c70 (EH in farm).

“I… have to kill them.”

“… You want to kill them?”

“I… have to.”

She didn’t say anything about Eren killing their old friends, because she knew they became enemies. Other than the fact he telling Historia his plan because she’s his ally since 3 years ago, I like how in front of Historia, he could express his thoughts openly as he believed that she wouldn’t criticize him and she would encourage him just and would say something like “What we’re doing here can’t be wrong” as she did before.  

Of course, this time Historia had to say what’s he’s gonna do is unjustified. 

Yes, Eren’s attack is unjust because instead of doing the 50 years plan in which he just needs to release the Titans in Shiganshina to destroy Marley allied force as Armin said in c123, Eren rather brings ruin to the entire world to end the cycle of hatred (which will affect the future generation) and to save Historia’s children from being the sacrifices (which no one actually gives a fuck). Historia couldn’t say “What we’re doing here can’t be wrong” because this route he chose which can ensure her safety will involve the innocents lives, even their friends lives.  

I’ve been repeating this and I repeat once again: if Eren wanted his friends to live a long, happy life, he should’ve followed the 50 years plan while opposing Sieg’s Euthanasia plan. Following that way, he only has to sacrifice Historia instead of causing a chaos like the current situation.  

By the way, I want to quote an anonymous confession in my local fandom that I find it kinda interesting to read, it was from an Eren anti. It’s rare to see a sober cringevengers fan, let aside flaws in their argument, I think cringevengers fans need to open their eyes like this person, at least they know Eren’s not doing all of this because he wanna protecc muh nakama (Sasha’s crying in heaven).

“Anyone out there is sick of Eren in c130? Since c108, Eren said he wanted everyone of 104th to live a long, happy life ever after. But look at 104th now, do they look happy? Or do they look painful and feel depressed as fuck, huh? Sasha died, Armin was about to commit suicide by throwing himself into titan’s mouth, Mikasa still feels spleenful for being called a slave, Levi was like da fuck, am I a joke, my soldiers died because of what the shit is this?!? Look at their faces now, do they look happy and have any will to live on!? Meanwhile Eren is acting like “I did all of this for you, I beat you, I insulted you, I killed bunch of people all for you, but you ain’t understand me.” It sounds fucking psychotic. I hurt you to make you happy later!? Nani!? 

It reminds me of the image of violent parents who abuse their child because they’re unaware of what they’re doing is abusing since they think spare the rod, spoil the child. Beating & insulting are method to make you happy in future. Hell no. Eren does his great act then dies, he only has 4 years left, easy game for him. But remember, dying is easy, living is harder, wanting to die but can’t die is a fucking hell. Eren dies, ok he’s done, but what about the others?! They will have trauma/PTSD for the rest of their lifetime. Damn it.

Eren makes me sick. He’s fucking selfish.

Don’t tell me Eren’s doing it because he doesn’t have any other way. Does he do it since there’s no other way, or does he do it since he just wanna believe he was right about killing people, and gives zero fuck about other options!? No one know because he ain’t share any information to anyone. From head to toes, there’s only his subjective plan. He didn’t share anything to other brains to help him in thinking.”

The last part is full of bluff, but I’m glad this person still remembers what Eren had done to his friends. 

Why Eren why?

People say you’re doing all of this for your friends not only Historia, you said you want everyone to live a long, happy life but why don’t you just rumble a part of Marley, or just Marley’s military is more than enough to make a Grim Reminder to the world? Your brother Sieg believes that euthanization is the best salvation thus you had to pretend to follow his Euthanasia plan, I get it, but you could just tell your friends or MPs about this, to help them get rid of being at risk without knowing anything until they have to figure out themselves. Or… because they’re 50 years plan supporters, you could not tell them? lol.  

What you’ve done until now even Armin can’t understand lol.

Go back to Historia and Eren’s conversation.

We all know Historia isn’t a saint who’s willing to sacrifice herself unconditionally like Krista, but she’s indeed a kind girl always helping people in need according to Eren. Indeed, Historia is not a selfish bitch at all, Historia agreed to become the queen voluntarily as she wanted to rescue people in need, she’s been taking care of children and animals in her farm since then. However, just like Eren who once believed “on the other side of the ocean is freedom”, on the other side of her throne is not something as simple as “living a life with pride and helping abandoned people”, she has a new burden which is called responsibility as a leader of a nation and that means people have right to ask for her sacrifice despite that is against her will. 

That’s why sometimes I feel Historia is going back to her old-self a bit. Not the same Krista / Ymir when she was in Marley, but to me she was kinda like Ymir after getting a second life. Hence, I kinda don’t like how people exaggerate her selfishness to the point Historia looks like she doesn’t give a fuck about anyone other than herself, thus she got pregnant to avoid becoming a shifter, imo she’s just like a person who has their own normal selfishness, like, willing to help others is different with willing to die for anyone, unless there’s a person who is very important to you. 

And that’s exactly what Eren did. “I’d be happy to give up my life, but I’m not prepared to sacrifice Historia.”

As some other analyses already pointed, Historia is a person always seeking for love, the thing she never experienced fully from her parents and other 2 mother figures because they all abandoned her, not for her sake but for their egos. Her mother refused her existence until she died, her father wanted her to be titan for his place, Frieda lost to 145th king’s ideology and didn’t take action on the day Wall Shiganshina destroyed, Ymir left her because she wanted to payback the warriors for giving her a second chance to live… And there is only Eren left, he gives her the love she’s always yearning for and although he left her, it was for her sake this time. 

“It’s fine… Historia, run!!”

“No!!”  

“That’s enough for me.”

“Even if you’re okay with it, I’m not.”

The moment Historia fully realised her father abandoned her the second time by deceiving her to inject the serum, she decided to throw away the world to be on Eren’s side. And the moment Eren fully realised everyone is gonna abandon her by letting she become the breeding sow because they have no other choice, he decided to throw away the world to be on Historia’s side.

Part of the conversation in c130 also gave the same feeling when they were in the cave, Historia was about to forget the selfishness a human being needs but she would remember it eventually. 

As I said above, before being the queen, Historia is just a human being, she has the right to fear, to suffer for becoming a titan and a breeding machine. Ironically, it was the moment people need her help. Fortunately she still has Eren who can see through her nature, just like Ymir did. These two both want her to live a life with pride, a life without being killed or becoming a tool for the others. Therefore, what Eren said to Historia was to remind her she should value herself instead of throwing it away.   

That’s why in my point of view, Historia and Eren this time are repeating what they have done before in another way. I’m laughing at people who say Eren was manipulating Historia’s mind by reminding she’s the worst girl in the world. From what I’ve read, the reason Eren said it is totally for her sake. 

She said she’d never be able to live a life with pride if she couldn’t stop Eren, it was because she couldn’t do something to save Eren’s humane and other lives will be taken away by Eren, all of them are in need of her sacrifice. And in that moment, Eren reminded her that before living a life with pride by helping people, she needs to be the worst girl who didn’t let anyone kill herself, neither volunteer to get the titan power against her will. Yeah, you need to have a life for yourself first, Historia.     

Now I’m going to talk about “having the child” part.

I know there are many discussions, debates, analyses about this part already. I myself find kinda tired because of Isayama’s writing, it’s not like I’ve lost belief in EH, but I feel like he’s using cheap bait to write EH plot.

Just like the image below, maybe you already know this, unless Isayama was inconsistent, there were different EH meetings in farm and we all know there must be a reason for it. And that means both conversations between Eren and Historia (c70, c130) were interrupted by Mikasa directly (Mikasa being a third wheel herself) and indirectly (Sieg talking about her crush on him) when Eren reminded Historia what she said in the cave.  

And it seems people who dislike EH tend to forget Eren was lying to Sieg during the whole conversation in Liberio. These panels give me 2 impressions:

1/ Eren as a fellow anti-natalist of Sieg naturally would say “I want them to live a happy life” when in fact his friends wouldn’t and it would be a lie. However, if we assume that Eren said the truth from the bottom of his heart, scroll up my post, his friends will live a long life, yes, but they will live with sorrow regardless they will be able to stop him or not. Even if Eren uses the founding power to erase their memories, Ackermans and some other bloodlines are not affected and it will make their lives cursed after all.

Not to mention in the last memory shard, aside from the fact Erwin and Sasha no longer have a happy life, it’s the night before they taking back Wall Maria, not the scene in c108 (although it was drawn in the beginning of c130) when he said those touching words which is very appreciated by 104th fans. I mean, you wish your friends a happy life by thinking about the night before a war 4 years before instead of your sweet moments in c108… lol. 

2/ Eren is talking about another “them”, not “his friends”. It’s weird to reply Sieg with “they” (あいつら) when they were just talking about the affection of Mikasa for him, he should’ve said “she” (あいつ, やつ, 彼女) or something like “she and the others” instead. Other than the fact Eren was busy with his thoughts about Historia when Sieg explained to him about the protection when loving someone, it also gives me a feeling Eren is talking to himself rather than answer Sieg. And what a coincidence, when he remembered Historia with the child question, he said “they” right after that panel.

About Historia’s question.

Since JPN fandom is also confused with this part, I think I also can just give out my subjective personal opinion.

I’ve been avoiding to use “proposition” to have a child from Historia because this doesn’t sound like a proposition to me. JPN fans tweets I saw also have a mind setting that if Historia proposed to have a child, it sounds like this is a planned child (with farmer, lol?) more than a child born from love. Because she has no reason to do that, if someone tries to oppose this argument I want to reminder them that:

Eren already had wine plan and the wine had been given to the top ranks since Yelened revealed it to Eren about 10 months ago, Yelena more than anyone, she cares about her idol’s life the most, instead of counting on Historia’s ovulation, wine plan is more certain.

If Historia loves farmer (after being rejected by Eren blah blah blah), she would eventually marry him and have a happier face.

Historia was born because her mother, a mistress, wanted to be promoted as her father’s wife. It means her birth was to serve a plan, I don’t wanna recall antis say like mother like daughter anyway, to think Historia will give birth to a child for a plan is a disgrace to her character.

Eren has been against Historia having children for a plan, saying Eren told Historia to fuck farmer for his plan’s succession is insulting Eren as well.

Historia’s question was more like… she’s hiding the fact she has a child to me.

I mean, I don’t know but to me, Historia is just a girl at her 18. In first few months of pregnancy, I think she couldn’t tell if she really got pregnant or not. Even if she has female officers with her, everything was so obscure except some symptoms, or she just feels there’s something strange in her body. 

Thus, I feel like she was making a hypothesis for Eren. “Well Eren, this is just a hypothesis, it doesn’t mean it’s true, but let’s imagine, what do you think about me having a child…? Just for fun, I’m just joking haha… ha…”

In the panel above, we see Mikasa telling us that that day was the last day Eren stayed with them. They only meet him again when they go to Liberio to rescue him.

Eren disagreed of Zeke not just because he never looked at Mikasa in a romantic way or because he’s so dense he can’t notice things like that. He didn’t believed Zeke words because he already had asked her about her feelings before and she answered him: “You are family”. He was questioning the origin of her loyalty even back there, and when he had the chance he asked. But, instead of a love declaration, he got something else, so he confirmed that his theory that her protectiveness and devotion were because her Ackerman Blood. 

I’m not saying Mikasa doesn’t love Eren, i believe she does, but not the way many people think it is. In my point of view she loves him as family, a fraternal love like Isayama already pointed once, and because of her Ackerman blood and the ackerbond these feelings got more intense. She united the feelings of protecting a member of her family with the feelings that came with her bloodline of protecting the host. That’s why is so hard for her to confront him. Killing him means not only killing her host, but also killing the last member of her adoptive family, the people who rescued her of solitude.

Why the hell Eren thought about Historia when Zeke was talking about Mikasa 😂😂 Not once, but twice 😜

I'm sorry but who says Eren and Mikasa are Canon cuz look, he was thinking about Historia here. Lol. Eren does Not have the same feelings of love like supposedly Mikasa have for him. How can it be a Canon couple when there is no mention of Eren having romantic feelings for her. And even here, he is thinking about Historia and not Mikasa. I'm not saying that Erehisu is canon but lol Eremika is not Canon either.

Isayama, well played once again

What that post covered if I remember correctly is that because Mikasa constantly failed to understand Eren’s true self throughout their lives, she’s not really in love in the complex person that Eren is with all his flaws and virtues, but in the idea of Eren that she projected herself.

We were seeing this ever since the beginning of the story, and one of the most memorable examples was during the training days when she convinced herself that Eren was relieved that he passed the 3dmg test because he wouldn’t have to be separated from her, which was completely false of course:

And she kept projecting her idea of Eren even in this arc, which is why when Eren asked her in chapter 123, why she cares about him and what she means to him, she interpreted it as a romantic question, and couldn’t realize how terribly depressed and broken Eren actually was at that time.

She even started thinking that Eren was always like this ever since he was a child, which is another misconception that she now has about him:

And that’s actually what I said she was thinking after chapter 107:

She’s been constantly wrong about Eren, because when Eren saved her when they were kids, she already decided that it’s fate for the two of them to be together, and instead of getting to know him properly, she was filling in those character traits for Eren herself.

An example of that was when Eren and Armin started talking about the outside world, and she felt completely lost in their conversation:

Even though learning about the outside world was always such a massive part of Eren’s life that it made him motivated to join the SC, because Mikasa wasn’t interested in it, she turned a blind eye to Eren’s dreams, since it didn’t line up with the person she projected Eren to be.

It may be taking longer than I originally thought it would, but I still think Mikasa will eventually realize that her idea of who she thought Eren was, is not who Eren actually is. And by the end of the manga she will finally be able to see Eren for who he truly is, without any of her filters.

And when that happens, she will be able to move on with her life without thinking that she needs Eren by her side to be happy.

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From mikasa’s part , yes. Most of Eren’s actions have always been romanticized through her pink lenses. On the other hand Eren never did the same , even now. While she has been having fun the whole time , enjoying every bit and drooling over everything - as if it’s some kind of date not a mission to avoid sacrificing historia and the future children and make peace , he was zoning out and depressed. Rarely paying attention unless being called.

When he asked that question , he was talking about stolen freedom and “the regular day life that has been stolen from them one day” while gazing at that Mid East family. He was not sweating or blushing , neither stuttering in contrast to her reaction. While she was flustered , he looked like almost as if 100 problems were tearing him apart.

So , why am I supposed to believe his question or reaction “held romantic undertone to it” when there was non from his part?

I don’t know about the “testing future memories” theory , I don’t believe he foresaw every little detail as I said in previous posts. Besides the “perfect timing” line was meant to say his friends were there in time since both him and mikasa just got invited inside , the next panel he gestured his friends to follow him. Idk how that supposed to be as a test?

I believe the only logical explanation is him knowing about the ackerman instincts and that’s why he wanted to be proved wrong by her answer … for various reasons ;